Why not draft a RB in the First Round??? | Page 6

tmg808 · 2010-01-05T07:36:06-08:00

1st a back up RB should have starting RB ability so just because he does not start that doesn't mean he will not contribute all over the field. - In 4 out of 5 of the 49ers super bowl years there was over a 1000 yards rushing from non featured RB. ( 912 the other year). This year the 49ers got 483 yards rushing from players not name Frank Gore. Gore is a great RB but he can't carry the running game by himself. 2nd Josh Morgan needs to focus on being the second receiver on the team. -Josh Morgan averaged over 15 yards a reception before he started returning kicks. He no longer proved to be a deep threat after picking up returning duties. Dropping his average down to only 10 yards for the season. 3rd the 49ers do not have anyone on the team capable of being a good punt returner -Arnaz Batlle had an average of 2.9 yards a punt return. The team had the lowest punt return average in the NFL. The ball often was not caught and caused the 49ers to have bad field position which caused conservative play calling. Why C.J. Spiller would be a good fit. Spiller has proven to be a great receiver . In his college career he had 123 rec (Josh Morgan had 122 in college) He also showed his explosiveness in the passing game with 4 receptions on the season over 50 yards. He is a mismatch for anybody 1 on 1 in the open field. Next Dexter Carter?? he has proven he can be a good change of pace RB. He was durable his whole college career, having 32 rushing TDs in 4 years. (Dexter Carter 17 career TDs in college and never had 1000 yards rushing) Proved he could be effective with low carries in his first 3 years and carried the whole load this year as the featured back. Spiller has had 4 good years running the ball, 49ers drafted Coffee after having 1 good year where he shared carries. Everyone is aware of his return abilities. avg 15 yds a punt return and over 33 a kick return. 5 return touchdowns this year. Why use a 1st rounder on a back up RB, return specialist?? Fills every skill position hole that was a glaring problem this year. - Back up Running back, Punt Returner, Kickoff Returner, Explosive Receiver. -The only player in the draft this year that can feel all of those needs (Jahvid Best was an OK receiver with a 9 yd avg and never returned punts) -As a punt and kickoff returner alone you get 6 touches a game, That's more than any 3rd option receiver.. (Crabtree, Davis being 1st and 2nd next year) -Being able to be used all over the field will allow Spiller to be a weapon that the 49ers would be able to use more than a WR or traditional RB. Spiller's is the highest rated RB on all the draft boards. What about need at OL, S, OLB?? 49ers had the 4th ranked scoring defense, and the 18th ranked scoring offense. The obvious need on the team is offense, there is needs on the offensive line, but bring in two rookie OL to start will not help the pass protection at all next year. Having a 1, 2 punch in the backfield will take a lot of focus off Alex Smith. The bonus is that Spiller is a kick returner, punt returner, and a pass receiver on top of that. [ Edited by tmg808 on Jan 7, 2010 at 16:13:29 ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you look at 9 of the top 10 rushing teams in the NFL this year they are two RB systems. The top team rushing for almost 2800 yards. Frank Gore is only one man and who else in the backfield would help the 49ers get close to those type of yards?? Frank Gore often gets tired after long runs and comes out of the game, and normally the drive stalls unless he gets back into the game. The 49ers stop running the ball when Gore comes out of the game. After Gore came back from injury Coffee only saw 12 carries in the 9 games he played in. The 49ers obviously did not trust him this season. A RB like CJ Spiller would be ideal because he can do everything that you don't want Frank Gore doing. He can return punts, and he can return Kick offs. His return skills could feel an obvious whole that has effected the 49ers field position all year. He had over 1200 yards rushing on the season while doing it all for Clemson. As a RB he averaged 14 yards a reception and over 500 yards receiving which makes me believe he could be used as a Percy Harvin type of player. Clemson often split him out as a receiver in there no back sets. He would give the 49ers another player with big play capability in the run game, pass game, return game. It's logical that the 49ers bring in a change of pace RB that will bring another dynamic to the offense. The 49ers can use help on offense no matter where it comes from on the field. [ Edited by tmg808 on Jan 7, 2010 at 16:35:52 ]

Jan 5, 2010 at 4:52 PM

#76

krizay
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Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by dman:
Its not even about position, its about what the player actually does on the field.

I dont think we need to take just any RB but we should take a look at Spiller because he does things on the field that guys on our team can't do.

THIS.

PERFECT.

I think this pretty much sums up the pro Spiller argument.

Thanks, I just get sick of people talking about positions all the time like its fantasy football. If the guy fills a role that we need filled it doesn't matter what position he plays.

Sure it does if you can get another guy just as explosive who will be on the field 60 to 80% more of the time.

As would be the case with Bryant.

Or a guy who could contribute as much in other areas who would be on the field 60-80% more of the time. As would be the case with an Olineman or possibly Earl Thomas.

We can still get a speed back to play 20% of the offensive plays and KR/PR duties later on.

Jan 5, 2010 at 4:54 PM

#77

dman
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by dman:
Its not even about position, its about what the player actually does on the field.

I dont think we need to take just any RB but we should take a look at Spiller because he does things on the field that guys on our team can't do.

THIS.

PERFECT.

I think this pretty much sums up the pro Spiller argument.

Thanks, I just get sick of people talking about positions all the time like its fantasy football. If the guy fills a role that we need filled it doesn't matter what position he plays.

Sure it does if you can get another guy just as explosive who will be on the field 60 to 80% more of the time.

As would be the case with Bryant.

Or a guy who could contribute as much in other areas who would be on the field 60-80% more of the time. As would be the case with an Olineman or possibly Earl Thomas.

We can still get a speed back to play 20% of the offensive plays and KR/PR duties later on.

Where are you getting these percentages? I see what you are saying but you assume a lot with those numbers.

Jan 5, 2010 at 5:05 PM

#78

krizay
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Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by dman:
Its not even about position, its about what the player actually does on the field.

I dont think we need to take just any RB but we should take a look at Spiller because he does things on the field that guys on our team can't do.

THIS.

PERFECT.

I think this pretty much sums up the pro Spiller argument.

Thanks, I just get sick of people talking about positions all the time like its fantasy football. If the guy fills a role that we need filled it doesn't matter what position he plays.

Sure it does if you can get another guy just as explosive who will be on the field 60 to 80% more of the time.

As would be the case with Bryant.

Or a guy who could contribute as much in other areas who would be on the field 60-80% more of the time. As would be the case with an Olineman or possibly Earl Thomas.

We can still get a speed back to play 20% of the offensive plays and KR/PR duties later on.

Where are you getting these percentages? I see what you are saying but you assume a lot with those numbers.

league average is like 60 plays a game or there abouts. 20% of that is 12 which is all I expect from a backup RB at best. So a starter getting 100% of the plays (60) or atleast 80% (48) is better than getting a guy playing 12 (20%)

Now obviously I have no idea how much anyone is going to play but obviously starter > Backup.

Jan 5, 2010 at 7:24 PM

#79

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Originally posted by krizay:
So again, we would be drafting Spiller in hopes to become something we aren't.

no we woud be adding a player to our team who can do something for us nobody on our current roster could do. isnt that the point of drafting? to get better. it's not changing identity, as tho our identity is so clearly defined... my god did you even watch our season. it was a 17 week identity crisis.

Jan 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM

#80

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Originally posted by GoFD74:

Something tells me that if we actually became more successful at running the ball (like, not just 1 yard up the gut and a cloud of dust 70% of the time), we might do it more often. Just a hunch based on what Singletary has been saying since day one.

So for me, it's a combination of addressing the o-line AND getting a back with home-run ability. Not just either/or.

so true...
how does a shaun hill lead offense count to four?

1st and 10
2nd and 9
3rd and 8...

...punt

Jan 5, 2010 at 7:31 PM

#81

blizzuntz
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Why not get Leon Washington for cheaper?

Jan 5, 2010 at 7:42 PM

#82

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I'm only on board with a 1st round RB if it's Spiller b/c he will also fill the needs at KR/PR for us.

Jan 6, 2010 at 2:27 AM

#83

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if we had someone like spiller when gore was on the sideline and say spiller was in the opposite team would not no it was pass for sure.
when you have coffee in there everybody knows its a pass.
we need a better second RB.

Jan 6, 2010 at 7:41 AM

#84

tmg808
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A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd playing 13 weeks)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

[ Edited by tmg808 on Jan 6, 2010 at 7:51 AM ]

Jan 6, 2010 at 7:50 AM

#85

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Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be, i get that a returner is a need but we can get one later in the draft for a lot cheaper, who knows maybe if Shipley or gilyard fall to the 2nd id be all for drafting them.

[ Edited by valrod33 on Jan 6, 2010 at 7:52 AM ]

Jan 6, 2010 at 7:54 AM

#86

tmg808
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be

Cause a return specialist would get the second most touches on the team. He would have touched the ball more than the 2nd string RB, Vernon Davis, and Crabtree this year.

Jan 6, 2010 at 7:56 AM

#87

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Originally posted by tmg808:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be

Cause a return specialist would get the second most touches on the team. He would have touched the ball more than the 2nd string RB, Vernon Davis, and Crabtree this year.

i have a question for you who do you consider to be a great return specialist thats currently in the NFL

Jan 6, 2010 at 8:30 AM

#88

tmg808
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be

Cause a return specialist would get the second most touches on the team. He would have touched the ball more than the 2nd string RB, Vernon Davis, and Crabtree this year.

i have a question for you who do you consider to be a great return specialist thats currently in the NFL

The high draft pick argument can be used towards safety, it can be used towards guards, it can be used towards TEs, RB, pass rushers.

1 high draft pick that is great is Devin Hester, (that team went to the superbowl on his shoulders as a returner) he isn't used the same way now but he is a great return specialist when he is used that way. Deon Sanders was great. Tim Brown. They were great returners that also played great in there positions. Hershel Walker. These are people that did it year in year out. I think Spiller can be a return specialist that will have an effect in the offensive play calling. He proved to be effective in special teams, passing game, and rushing. He was Clemsons only weapon and never left the field. With such a low ranked offense why not draft a skill position player who can help all over the field??

[ Edited by tmg808 on Jan 6, 2010 at 8:34 AM ]

Jan 6, 2010 at 8:38 AM

#89

tmg808
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A lot of people liked what Harvin did this year on offense, Spiller is capable of being the same type of player without the migraines.

Harvin (2008) vs Spiller (2009)

Rushing
Harvin 70 659yds
Spiller 216 1212yds

Receiving
Harvin 40 644yds
Spiller 36 503yds

Touchdowns
Harvin 17
Spiller 21

Jan 6, 2010 at 1:24 PM

#90

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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be, i get that a returner is a need but we can get one later in the draft for a lot cheaper, who knows maybe if Shipley or gilyard fall to the 2nd id be all for drafting them.

This is where I disagree with the anti Spiller crowd. I believe that Spiller is MORE then a return specialist next year and can and would take over for Gore when the time comes.

Now Spiller would be a PR/KR, 3rd down back, on the field in 2 back sets (with Gore), slot reciever and in the future I believe he could be an everydown back. O yeah, he's good in blitz pickup as well.