I Don't Understand

Originally posted by billbird2111:
In 2017, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the second overall pick in the draft on a QB named Mitch Trubisky. Result? FAILURE.
In 2021, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the eleventh overall pick in the draft on a QB named Justin Fields. Result? EL FLOPPO
In 2024, the Chicago Bears are projected to use a first round pick and the first overall pick in the draft on a QB named Caleb Williams. Result? Who knows.

Do NFL Draft Analysts understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? I assume they do understand this, yet everyone seems to have the Bears wasting yet another first round pick on a QB. I don't get it. Is it just laziness on the part of NFL writers? Or do these folks really not understand?

Anyone?

Its about the Bears resetting their clock. JF is about to be on his 5th year option worth 20+ million which also means paying him.

By drafting another QB they're back on a rookie contract. Which allows them to continue to build around them.

My issue is the QB everyone has going #1. He to me just ain't it.

If I'm the Bears I'm trading #1 to no lower than Atlanta at 8. Build my OL and draft one of the WRs.

As of right now its being rumored Fields is only worth a 2nd. I would roll with Fields under his 5th year option. While also looking to draft Penix towards end of the 1st.

If Fields balls out. You have options. Franchise tag him. Franchise tag/trade him. Sign him & keep Penix (ala Jordan Love) sign him & trade Penix.

If Fields is same Ole same Ole. Let him walk (you'll get a 3rd round com pick the following year) and roll with Penix. Or you might be lucky enough to get a top pick again from the idiots that move up for Caleb.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
In 2017, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the second overall pick in the draft on a QB named Mitch Trubisky. Result? FAILURE.
In 2021, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the eleventh overall pick in the draft on a QB named Justin Fields. Result? EL FLOPPO
In 2024, the Chicago Bears are projected to use a first round pick and the first overall pick in the draft on a QB named Caleb Williams. Result? Who knows.

Do NFL Draft Analysts understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? I assume they do understand this, yet everyone seems to have the Bears wasting yet another first round pick on a QB. I don't get it. Is it just laziness on the part of NFL writers? Or do these folks really not understand?

Anyone?

Its about the Bears resetting their clock. JF is about to be on his 5th year option worth 20+ million which also means paying him.

By drafting another QB they're back on a rookie contract. Which allows them to continue to build around them.

My issue is the QB everyone has going #1. He to me just ain't it.

If I'm the Bears I'm trading #1 to no lower than Atlanta at 8. Build my OL and draft one of the WRs.

As of right now its being rumored Fields is only worth a 2nd. I would roll with Fields under his 5th year option. While also looking to draft Penix towards end of the 1st.

If Fields balls out. You have options. Franchise tag him. Franchise tag/trade him. Sign him & keep Penix (ala Jordan Love) sign him & trade Penix.

If Fields is same Ole same Ole. Let him walk (you'll get a 3rd round com pick the following year) and roll with Penix. Or you might be lucky enough to get a top pick again from the idiots that move up for Caleb.

Not a bad plan.

But if Williams becomes Mahomes 2.0... everyone is fired. It might be hard to shake that.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
In 2017, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the second overall pick in the draft on a QB named Mitch Trubisky. Result? FAILURE.
In 2021, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the eleventh overall pick in the draft on a QB named Justin Fields. Result? EL FLOPPO
In 2024, the Chicago Bears are projected to use a first round pick and the first overall pick in the draft on a QB named Caleb Williams. Result? Who knows.

Do NFL Draft Analysts understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? I assume they do understand this, yet everyone seems to have the Bears wasting yet another first round pick on a QB. I don't get it. Is it just laziness on the part of NFL writers? Or do these folks really not understand?

Anyone?

Its about the Bears resetting their clock. JF is about to be on his 5th year option worth 20+ million which also means paying him.

By drafting another QB they're back on a rookie contract. Which allows them to continue to build around them.

My issue is the QB everyone has going #1. He to me just ain't it.

If I'm the Bears I'm trading #1 to no lower than Atlanta at 8. Build my OL and draft one of the WRs.

As of right now its being rumored Fields is only worth a 2nd. I would roll with Fields under his 5th year option. While also looking to draft Penix towards end of the 1st.

If Fields balls out. You have options. Franchise tag him. Franchise tag/trade him. Sign him & keep Penix (ala Jordan Love) sign him & trade Penix.

If Fields is same Ole same Ole. Let him walk (you'll get a 3rd round com pick the following year) and roll with Penix. Or you might be lucky enough to get a top pick again from the idiots that move up for Caleb.

Not a bad plan.

But if Williams becomes Mahomes 2.0... everyone is fired. It might be hard to shake that.

That's an awfully big if.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
In 2017, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the second overall pick in the draft on a QB named Mitch Trubisky. Result? FAILURE.
In 2021, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the eleventh overall pick in the draft on a QB named Justin Fields. Result? EL FLOPPO
In 2024, the Chicago Bears are projected to use a first round pick and the first overall pick in the draft on a QB named Caleb Williams. Result? Who knows.

Do NFL Draft Analysts understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? I assume they do understand this, yet everyone seems to have the Bears wasting yet another first round pick on a QB. I don't get it. Is it just laziness on the part of NFL writers? Or do these folks really not understand?

Anyone?

Fields is about to get expensive and his play doesn't equal it. Plus if you don't have a franchise qb you don't win in this league.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
In 2017, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the second overall pick in the draft on a QB named Mitch Trubisky. Result? FAILURE.
In 2021, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the eleventh overall pick in the draft on a QB named Justin Fields. Result? EL FLOPPO
In 2024, the Chicago Bears are projected to use a first round pick and the first overall pick in the draft on a QB named Caleb Williams. Result? Who knows.

Do NFL Draft Analysts understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? I assume they do understand this, yet everyone seems to have the Bears wasting yet another first round pick on a QB. I don't get it. Is it just laziness on the part of NFL writers? Or do these folks really not understand?

Anyone?

Its about the Bears resetting their clock. JF is about to be on his 5th year option worth 20+ million which also means paying him.

By drafting another QB they're back on a rookie contract. Which allows them to continue to build around them.

My issue is the QB everyone has going #1. He to me just ain't it.

If I'm the Bears I'm trading #1 to no lower than Atlanta at 8. Build my OL and draft one of the WRs.

As of right now its being rumored Fields is only worth a 2nd. I would roll with Fields under his 5th year option. While also looking to draft Penix towards end of the 1st.

If Fields balls out. You have options. Franchise tag him. Franchise tag/trade him. Sign him & keep Penix (ala Jordan Love) sign him & trade Penix.

If Fields is same Ole same Ole. Let him walk (you'll get a 3rd round com pick the following year) and roll with Penix. Or you might be lucky enough to get a top pick again from the idiots that move up for Caleb.

Not a bad plan.

But if Williams becomes Mahomes 2.0... everyone is fired. It might be hard to shake that.

That's an awfully big if.

I should rephrase... if Williams looks good out the gate and Fields struggles, they might all be fired.

The comparison to Mahomes was a reminder they would have passed on both players, and stylistically they're similar.

That's why I feel they will draft Williams.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Not a bad plan.

But if Williams becomes Mahomes 2.0... everyone is fired. It might be hard to shake that.

When I watched Mahomes coming out. I thought he was the best thrower of the football I've ever seen. Every throw looked effortless and was on the money.

I admittedly haven't "studied" Williams the way I did Mahomes or the 21 class but I don't see "it" with Caleb.

That said, like all QBs if he goes to right situation he can thrive. We shall see.

He reminds me a little of JF. I see his guys running open well before he throws it or even see him move out of the pocket with guys open to extend plays that didn't need extended

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
In 2017, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the second overall pick in the draft on a QB named Mitch Trubisky. Result? FAILURE.
In 2021, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the eleventh overall pick in the draft on a QB named Justin Fields. Result? EL FLOPPO
In 2024, the Chicago Bears are projected to use a first round pick and the first overall pick in the draft on a QB named Caleb Williams. Result? Who knows.

Do NFL Draft Analysts understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? I assume they do understand this, yet everyone seems to have the Bears wasting yet another first round pick on a QB. I don't get it. Is it just laziness on the part of NFL writers? Or do these folks really not understand?

Anyone?

Fields is about to get expensive and his play doesn't equal it. Plus if you don't have a franchise qb you don't win in this league.

Yeah I don't get theory of not drafting based on history. Williams is a huge question mark but gotta be worth a chance. Like mentioned gotta get that qb. Keep swinging

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Not a bad plan.

But if Williams becomes Mahomes 2.0... everyone is fired. It might be hard to shake that.

When I watched Mahomes coming out. I thought he was the best thrower of the football I've ever seen. Every throw looked effortless and was on the money.

I admittedly haven't "studied" Williams the way I did Mahomes or the 21 class but I don't see "it" with Caleb.

That said, like all QBs if he goes to right situation he can thrive. We shall see.

He reminds me a little of JF. I see his guys running open well before he throws it or even see him move out of the pocket with guys open to extend plays that didn't need extended

Caleb's ability to extend plays is elite - its just an innate ability combining vision, physical ability and feel. His arm is absolutely effortless, and he can throw from all arm angles and off of all platforms. That problem in his profile is that half the time he's reminding us about how elite he is at extending plays, the play didn't need extending.

That said, you keep drafting a QB until you have one. Are you suggesting that 1st round pick at WR has failed for them so they should try their luck at a 2nd rounder instead? Caleb's ceiling is no lower than Fields, and they reset the financial clock so that they aren't paying a giant salary while waiting/hoping for that ceiling to be reached.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Caleb's ability to extend plays is elite - its just an innate ability combining vision, physical ability and feel. His arm is absolutely effortless, and he can throw from all arm angles and off of all platforms. That problem in his profile is that half the time he's reminding us about how elite he is at extending plays, the play didn't need extending.

That said, you keep drafting a QB until you have one. Are you suggesting that 1st round pick at WR has failed for them so they should try their luck at a 2nd rounder instead? Caleb's ceiling is no lower than Fields, and they reset the financial clock so that they aren't paying a giant salary while waiting/hoping for that ceiling to be reached.

The problem nowadays is the evaluations starts with QBs who can throw off platforms and with different arm angles.

As for my suggestion I made that clear in my initial post.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Caleb's ability to extend plays is elite - its just an innate ability combining vision, physical ability and feel. His arm is absolutely effortless, and he can throw from all arm angles and off of all platforms. That problem in his profile is that half the time he's reminding us about how elite he is at extending plays, the play didn't need extending.

That said, you keep drafting a QB until you have one. Are you suggesting that 1st round pick at WR has failed for them so they should try their luck at a 2nd rounder instead? Caleb's ceiling is no lower than Fields, and they reset the financial clock so that they aren't paying a giant salary while waiting/hoping for that ceiling to be reached.

The problem nowadays is the evaluations starts with QBs who can throw off platforms and with different arm angles.

As for my suggestion I made that clear in my initial post.

Ya, we are agreeing with each other. I meant for my post to reinforce yours.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
In 2017, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the second overall pick in the draft on a QB named Mitch Trubisky. Result? FAILURE.
In 2021, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the eleventh overall pick in the draft on a QB named Justin Fields. Result? EL FLOPPO
In 2024, the Chicago Bears are projected to use a first round pick and the first overall pick in the draft on a QB named Caleb Williams. Result? Who knows.

Do NFL Draft Analysts understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? I assume they do understand this, yet everyone seems to have the Bears wasting yet another first round pick on a QB. I don't get it. Is it just laziness on the part of NFL writers? Or do these folks really not understand?

Anyone?

Fields is about to get expensive and his play doesn't equal it. Plus if you don't have a franchise qb you don't win in this league.

Yeah I don't get theory of not drafting based on history. Williams is a huge question mark but gotta be worth a chance. Like mentioned gotta get that qb. Keep swinging

I understand the need to "keep swinging" as it was phrased and I agree. But the Bears have already blown two very high picks on QB's that were not worth it. Not even close.

It seems to me that the science behind drafting a franchise QB is akin to a crap shoot. In other words, there is no science. The metrics used in some of these decisions do not work. Even Shanahan has drafted or signed his fair share of QB blunders. My point is: Why continue to waste these high picks on players who do not turn out? Why not pick up a QB in the third round? Or later?

There is no way that Fields is going to be the next Mahomes. He would have shown flashes of that talent by now. The next Trubisky? Maybe. The next Mahomes? I just don't see it.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
In 2017, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the second overall pick in the draft on a QB named Mitch Trubisky. Result? FAILURE.
In 2021, the Chicago Bears used a first round pick and the eleventh overall pick in the draft on a QB named Justin Fields. Result? EL FLOPPO
In 2024, the Chicago Bears are projected to use a first round pick and the first overall pick in the draft on a QB named Caleb Williams. Result? Who knows.

Do NFL Draft Analysts understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? I assume they do understand this, yet everyone seems to have the Bears wasting yet another first round pick on a QB. I don't get it. Is it just laziness on the part of NFL writers? Or do these folks really not understand?

Anyone?

Fields is about to get expensive and his play doesn't equal it. Plus if you don't have a franchise qb you don't win in this league.

Yeah I don't get theory of not drafting based on history. Williams is a huge question mark but gotta be worth a chance. Like mentioned gotta get that qb. Keep swinging

I understand the need to "keep swinging" as it was phrased and I agree. But the Bears have already blown two very high picks on QB's that were not worth it. Not even close.

It seems to me that the science behind drafting a franchise QB is akin to a crap shoot. In other words, there is no science. The metrics used in some of these decisions do not work. Even Shanahan has drafted or signed his fair share of QB blunders. My point is: Why continue to waste these high picks on players who do not turn out? Why not pick up a QB in the third round? Or later?

There is no way that Fields is going to be the next Mahomes. He would have shown flashes of that talent by now. The next Trubisky? Maybe. The next Mahomes? I just don't see it.

Because the problem isn't that it's hard to find QBs that pan out in the first round, it's that it's hard to find QBs. Add on to that that every team needs one, and you see why 1st round picks are used to find one. If every team decides, screw this let's just draft in the 3rd, someone would still want their first pick of the crop. But guess what, if everyone is looking at that same guy in the 3rd, you're gonna have to take him in the 2nd to ensure you get him. That process will continue to hold true until the top guy is inevitably picked 1st over all. If he busts, he would have busted whether that team took him 1st, or last.

It's no different from any other position.