CJs Mock Off-Season - The Quest for the Franchise QB

Wow that's a bunch of trades

I love the amount of work you put in to this but all those trades are pretty hard to keep track of. Maybe I'm reading incorrectly but you want us to go in to next season with Rosen and Mond/Trask as our QB's? That would be an absolute disaster and a wasted year.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
I love the amount of work you put in to this but all those trades are pretty hard to keep track of. Maybe I'm reading incorrectly but you want us to go in to next season with Rosen and Mond/Trask as our QB's? That would be an absolute disaster and a wasted year.

have to 2nd this. Seems like you did a lot of work to pretty much screw up a playoff team. Rosen and Mond? Will have us longing for Jimmy G.

Originally posted by rivercity:
have to 2nd this. Seems like you did a lot of work to pretty much screw up a playoff team. Rosen and Mond? Will have us longing for Jimmy G.

Okay, thanks for the feedback. Although there is a pretty high risk that keeping Jimmy would end in the same result, as he will eventually get hurt again and we will start a qb (Rosen or Mond) that was not prepped to be a starter.
So please give me your input, what would you do? Would you reslly rather spend 50 mil on Jimmy and T Williams and have 0 backup plan (no upgrades in FA), or would you spread out the risk, get a decent bridge QB (Fitz, Dalton, Mariota) that would cost a third of Jimmy and then get stacked at other positions through FA.

We were literally a couple of games from the playoffs this year with half of our roster on IR. We should be able to find an upgrade over Mullens that can take a stacked roster to the playoffs.

Creative on getting filling out holes in the roster, but that might be a bottom 5 team for the next several years.

Originally posted by Cjsloth:

Originally posted by rivercity:
have to 2nd this. Seems like you did a lot of work to pretty much screw up a playoff team. Rosen and Mond? Will have us longing for Jimmy G.

Okay, thanks for the feedback. Although there is a pretty high risk that keeping Jimmy would end in the same result, as he will eventually get hurt again and we will start a qb (Rosen or Mond) that was not prepped to be a starter.
So please give me your input, what would you do? Would you reslly rather spend 50 mil on Jimmy and T Williams and have 0 backup plan (no upgrades in FA), or would you spread out the risk, get a decent bridge QB (Fitz, Dalton, Mariota) that would cost a third of Jimmy and then get stacked at other positions through FA.

We were literally a couple of games from the playoffs this year with half of our roster on IR. We should be able to find an upgrade over Mullens that can take a stacked roster to the playoffs.

I'll have to defer to AB, the master, on cap stuff. Here was one of his recent comments (cap est. $180m): "we'll keep Trent & Juice, I also think we have a good shot at keeping Hyder & Verrett. I can see K'Waun heading to the Jets, he's a NJ guy. I see us losing Sherman, Tartt, McKinnon, possibly Witherspoon, Jones, & Thomas. I'm unsure what they'll do with Tevin Coleman, I wouldn't bring him back, but Kyle loves him. Also I can see Bourne leaving, and Trent Taylor.
We'll definitely keep Moseley, Brunskill, Harris, Dwelley, and extend Warner. I can also see extensions for Laken Tomlinson, & Tarvarius Moore."

So, presuming we release Ford and Richburg, we'll need Interior OL x2; 1 safety; 2 CBs. Probably need to draft Edge, IOL, CB, backup RB, QB.
We've got the picks, and Lynch has been great at mid- and later rounds.

I think Jimmy G is a guy who could win a super bowl or at worst be a bridge to QB of the future. My dream would be to get Trey Lance at 12, or maybe trade up with Lions to get him. Failing that, maybe go for Mills in the 3rd, and see if Rosen develops. Just the thought of relying on Rosen gives me heartburn. I don't believe in Mond, either (live in TX). I didn't mean to be dismissive of your good efforts, just want a more solid plan at QB. Fans live on hope.

Too many trades and would be prohibitively expensive to carry so many early round contracts against the cap. Pare it back a little. Some good prospects buried under all that fluff.

Brah

I'm at a loss of words

I love the work, and I love the accumulation of picks, but yeah, like others have said, this is something you'd do on a rebuilding team. For the Lions this would be a home run.

We remain a team that with above average QB & line play will contend for a Superbowl.

Thanks everyone for the constructive feedback, much appreciated. My conclusion from the input is that this approach would simply be too excessive.

Seems that most of you feel safer with the known commodities in Trent and Jimmy, thats completely okay.
So if we dial down the trades a bit and go for locking down our own top priority FAs (Verrett, Williams, Hyder etc.). What do you then think about the plan of trading for the Texans 1st next year? I really see it as a golden opportunity to get a top pick in the draft next year.

Originally posted by Cjsloth:
Thanks everyone for the constructive feedback, much appreciated. My conclusion from the input is that this approach would simply be too excessive.

Seems that most of you feel safer with the known commodities in Trent and Jimmy, thats completely okay.
So if we dial down the trades a bit and go for locking down our own top priority FAs (Verrett, Williams, Hyder etc.). What do you then think about the plan of trading for the Texans 1st next year? I really see it as a golden opportunity to get a top pick in the draft next year.

I think most actually want rid of Jimmy, you just need to replace him with someone better.

Regarding the trade it I don't think they do it unless it's for a QB, and in that case they'd have moved Deshaun and have a better pick to do that.

Would be great for us though, they're going to be a dumpster fire.

If I were those other teams, I wouldn't make any of those trades. Why would the Bears give up a 2nd round pick to move up 2 spots?

For trades in those ranges you might net a 3rd round pick, probably more realistically a 4th. This is what the draft value chart is for

1. Trade 12, 156, 298 to dolphins and receive - 18, 50 and 81
12 (1,200) + 156 (29) + 298(1) = 1,230
18 (900) + 50 (400) + 81 (185) = 1,485

2. trade 18, 238 to Bears and get 20, 52, 83
18 (900) + 238 (1) = 901
20 (850) + 52 (380) + 83 (175) = 1,405

3. trade 20, 182 to Jaguars and get 25,33 and 65
20 (850) + 182 (18.2) = 868.2
25 (720) + 33 (580) + 65 (265) = 1,565

4. trade 25, R1 2022 and 196 to get Hst R1 & R3 2022 and 67
No way to value this trade, but it seems likely Houston understands they will not be good next year and won't be interested in moving their first round pick.

5. trade 33 to Eagles and get 37 and 70
33 (580) = 580
37 (530) + 70 (240) = 770

Sometimes teams will overpay to move up if somebody they really want is there, but that might happen once a year across the entire draft. All of those teams aren't going to fall in love with players and just have to give up a haul to get them.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I think most actually want rid of Jimmy, you just need to replace him with someone better.

Regarding the trade it I don't think they do it unless it's for a QB, and in that case they'd have moved Deshaun and have a better pick to do that.

Would be great for us though, they're going to be a dumpster fire.

Agreed, the ideal scenario would be to get a clear upgeade over Jimmy, but that upgrade (Watson) is gonna be really expensive and would significantly worsen the rest of the team both now and in future seasons. With this approach we get to keep Warner, Bosa, Kittle etc and have a shot at drafting our own Franchise QB next year. I don't beleive that Trey Lance will be THAT guy for us.
With our roster and if Shanahan is as great as we all think he is, he should be able to get us to the playoffs next year with a guy like Fitzpatrick or someone of that caliber.

Regarding wheter Houston would do it. I think they will be pretty desperate to do something in this years draft to please the players and the fans otherwise they will have lost JJ, have a QB that doesnt want to play (or lost him) and have 0 1st or 2nd rnd picks.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
If I were those other teams, I wouldn't make any of those trades. Why would the Bears give up a 2nd round pick to move up 2 spots?

For trades in those ranges you might net a 3rd round pick, probably more realistically a 4th. This is what the draft value chart is for

1. Trade 12, 156, 298 to dolphins and receive - 18, 50 and 81
12 (1,200) + 156 (29) + 298(1) = 1,230
18 (900) + 50 (400) + 81 (185) = 1,485

2. trade 18, 238 to Bears and get 20, 52, 83
18 (900) + 238 (1) = 901
20 (850) + 52 (380) + 83 (175) = 1,405

3. trade 20, 182 to Jaguars and get 25,33 and 65
20 (850) + 182 (18.2) = 868.2
25 (720) + 33 (580) + 65 (265) = 1,565

4. trade 25, R1 2022 and 196 to get Hst R1 & R3 2022 and 67
No way to value this trade, but it seems likely Houston understands they will not be good next year and won't be interested in moving their first round pick.

5. trade 33 to Eagles and get 37 and 70
33 (580) = 580
37 (530) + 70 (240) = 770

Sometimes teams will overpay to move up if somebody they really want is there, but that might happen once a year across the entire draft. All of those teams aren't going to fall in love with players and just have to give up a haul to get them.

You're probably right that some of these trades are unrealisric, but like I wrote initially I just wanted to test my approach in a simulator and took whatever I was offered. I guess I shouldnt have shared my simulated draft it seems to take too much focus away from my original idea, which was:

1. Trade down a couple times to cover basic needs in the draft
2. Trade for Hsts 1st next year in order to get a shot at a franchise QB
3. Capitalize on the unique Free Agency this year to get a really good roster that could carry a bridge QB to the playoffs.

Any input on this? Or what is your ideal approach to the off-season?