2025 Free Agency

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Let's face it, he hasn't had the best the best QBb play either. Tua was horrible last season and Waddle still was their leading receiver. Waddle wasn't that far off from Jefferson who only had 2 TD's season.

Lol, you're really reaching there 😂 Let's not forget Tua was solid for a few years. I see Waddle as an above average WR and could be really good in the right system with a good QB. Idk if he's necessarily a game changer all on his own. I'd love to have Waddle but to Phoenix's point we can allocate that 28M in FA and keep our picks

How am I reaching, when Waddle has Jefferson beat by touchdowns with 6 and Jefferson with 2. Jefferson only had 1048 yards this pass season to Waddles 910 yards. How is that reaching? Tua was straight up horrible this past season which should factor in Waddles production. Again how is that reaching?

Bro go look at Max Brosmer and JJ McCarthey stats. Tua was bad but not THAT bad. They went for 2900 yards 11TDs to 16Ints. Jefferson probably has the most prolific start to a WRs career ever with multiple QBs. Tuas not good but he has made the pro bowl the QBs JJ was working with shouldn't even be backups. To compare Waddle to Jettas is beyond reaching.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Since07:
Is Waddle worth more than a 2nd? He doesn't have that impressive of #s, never made a pro bowl and making 28M a year. He is a good scheme fit, knows the system playing under McDaniel (seems like a good dude which is HUGE nowadays with WRs) and has shown willingness to block but idk if I'd give up top draft capital and more with his contract for slightly above average production.

This. I would rather use that money towards Chubb. Knock DE out as a major need, allowing them to focus on S, WR, OG and DT in the draft.

Trade Mac for a 2nd and use it to take BPA among those positions at that pick.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again why are you talking about the past and what they accomplished. That's like saying the 9ers are better than the Seahawks right now because we won 5 Super Bowls in the 80's and 90's.

I just pointed that QB obviously affects the production of a WR. I know how bad McCarthy was this past season I'm not disregarding that either. But you said I was reaching without any context to your argument.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again why are you talking about the past and what they accomplished. That's like saying the 9ers are better than the Seahawks right now because we won 5 Super Bowls in the 80's and 90's.

I just pointed that QB obviously affects the production of a WR. I know how bad McCarthy was this past season I'm not disregarding that either. But you said I was reaching without any context to your argument.

Because that how you gauge a player's production arch? Mahomes had a QBR of 89 this season and Daniel Jones had a QBR of a 100. Is Jones now worth half a billion dollars? Let's go ahead and put this in a vacuum strictly to this season…

Tua had 2700 yards 20Tds 15ints 89qbr
McCarthey/Bosmer 2900 11Tds 16Ints 62qbr

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, I'm showing you that QB performance factors into a WR's production. Why are you not understanding the obvious. lol

Who's reaching now???!!!

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, I'm showing you that QB performance factors into a WR's production. Why are you not understanding the obvious. lol

Who's reaching now???!!!

JJ had significantly worse QB play compared to Waddle not sure why you're trying to compare the two at all

Originally posted by Kolohe:
It's basically the same production by both Waddle and Jefferson. Again how is that reaching.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
It's basically the same production by both Waddle and Jefferson. Again how is that reaching.

Because Jefferson had a -30% QB play compared to Waddle. You know Waddle isn't JJ let's get real. If he was a FA Id be all for it but nah not trading a high pick with that contract attached

Originally posted by Kolohe:
In your original post you said he doesn't have the impressive numbers or never made the Pro Bowl. Yet THIS season Waddles numbers are too far off, but actually had more touchdowns than Jefferson. You didn't bring in QB until I mentioned it and I was using it for both or all WR's drop off in production.

Now again was I really reaching? Again for the record I don't care which WR the 9ers trade for as long as they do. Honestly prefer Jefferson anyway.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I dont think the point is that hard to understand.

Waddle production (lack thereof) was used to knock him.

Waddle lack of production was attributed to poor QB play, with the argument that we shouldn't ding players for a lack of production when it can easily be blamed on the QB...otherwise we'd have to ding Jettas for his lack of production, which would obviously be ridiculous.

Moral of story: Waddle good WR. Waddle good for Niners.

There you go.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I dont think the point is that hard to understand.

Waddle production (lack thereof) was used to knock him.

Waddle lack of production was attributed to poor QB play, with the argument that we shouldn't ding players for a lack of production when it can easily be blamed on the QB...otherwise we'd have to ding Jettas for his lack of production, which would obviously be ridiculous.

Moral of story: Waddle good WR. Waddle good for Niners.

There you go.

Think the point is you can get a player of his caliber in FA at his price tag without giving up high draft capital. I.e Hendrickson, Linderbaum, Alec Pierce etc.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I dont think the point is that hard to understand.

Waddle production (lack thereof) was used to knock him.

Waddle lack of production was attributed to poor QB play, with the argument that we shouldn't ding players for a lack of production when it can easily be blamed on the QB...otherwise we'd have to ding Jettas for his lack of production, which would obviously be ridiculous.

Moral of story: Waddle good WR. Waddle good for Niners.

There you go.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Id personally push back pretty hard on the idea of Alec Pierce being a WR the caliber of Waddle, but its your opinion so that's fine. Id imagine Waddles contract lowers the asking price in a trade but iono. No doubt the price would have to be right, tho

Originally posted by Kolohe:
He may improve with Morris as DC, but his tackling has sucked this past season. And he's okay in coverage. But like I mentioned, he could improve with Morris. I just hope if Morris wants to upgrade at Safety they'll let him.