Allen Robinson best FA WR | Page 4

NTeply49 · 2017-12-27T10:47:20-08:00

This is the guy we need to get for Jimmy to round out our wide receivers. He has the highest ceiling of any of the upcoming free agent wide outs and has had the production of a top tier wideout with a sub par QB. We have a speedy deep threat in Quise Goodwin. We have a young and developing third down slot receiver in Trent Taylor(which is why Robinson is a better fit than Landry). Then we have Garçon who is a great all around receiver that excelled in the short to intermediate parts of the field. What we are missing is a receiver with the size and leaping ability to go up and get the jump ball in the red zone. At 6'3 and 211 lbs with a 39 inch vertical and 4.6 speed, he would be the perfect fit for our team. He has also demonstrated the ability to be a deep threat despite his slower 40 time. Check out this video and let me know what you think. He really bails Bortles out a ton. https://youtu.be/x9G4CqSzKMM

Dec 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM

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SteveWallacesHelmet
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If only there was a long thread on this topic already.

Dec 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by hohbie:
People thinking Robinson wouldnt be able to beat out Garcon or Goodwin are crazy. Robinson would become our #1 right away and would have huge numbers for us if healthy. I would be all over that if he becomes available.

The real question is do the Jags have the cap room to keep him

Im hoping they have to overpay for a QB (Smith, Cousins, Etc.) and let him walk, but we will see. If he is available though we should be all for it. If he wants to bet on himself having a good year (like Alshon) we are the perfect place for it now with Jimmy.

Dec 28, 2017 at 11:41 AM

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Was the injury an ACL?

Dec 28, 2017 at 11:42 AM

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Yes. I know a Baalke pick... which is why you don't overpay with him...

[ Edited by 49erforlife on Dec 28, 2017 at 11:43 AM ]

Dec 28, 2017 at 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by 49erforlife:
Yes. I know a Baalke pick... which is why you don't overpay with him...

I was afraid you were going to say that.

Dec 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM

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Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Originally posted by hohbie:
People thinking Robinson wouldnt be able to beat out Garcon or Goodwin are crazy. Robinson would become our #1 right away and would have huge numbers for us if healthy. I would be all over that if he becomes available.

The real question is do the Jags have the cap room to keep him

I'm not sure if the jags will retain him. They've succeeded this year without him and Marquise Lee and Westbroo have both proven to be good players. They'll also get Hurns back so I'm not sure they try too hard to keep him. I surely don't think they franchise him at 16m per.

Dec 28, 2017 at 1:24 PM

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Originally posted by mayo49:
Was the injury an ACL?

Yes but it happened in the first game of the season. He's expected to be ready for off-season activities. If that injury doesn't happen then there really is no shot he makes it to free agency. So you have to weigh the risk and reward. It's because of the injury there's a shot he not only makes it to free agency but he takes a one year prove it kind of deal as well.

[ Edited by Willisfn4life on Dec 28, 2017 at 1:28 PM ]

Dec 28, 2017 at 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by hohbie:
People thinking Robinson wouldnt be able to beat out Garcon or Goodwin are crazy. Robinson would become our #1 right away and would have huge numbers for us if healthy. I would be all over that if he becomes available.

Garcon has years playing under Shanny and is a 1k receiver himself.

Goodwin and Robinson are different receivers and he offers the speed Shanny covets.

I firmly think Garcon and Goodwin would start A Rob would come in as the 3rd receiver until we phase Garcon out.

Dec 28, 2017 at 2:34 PM

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Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by hohbie:
People thinking Robinson wouldnt be able to beat out Garcon or Goodwin are crazy. Robinson would become our #1 right away and would have huge numbers for us if healthy. I would be all over that if he becomes available.

Garcon has years playing under Shanny and is a 1k receiver himself.

Goodwin and Robinson are different receivers and he offers the speed Shanny covets.

I firmly think Garcon and Goodwin would start A Rob would come in as the 3rd receiver until we phase Garcon out.

Only way we get a #1 like Allen IMO is if we ship out Garcon. Bottom line. I wonder who we could trade him to...Send him back to Washington or Indy

[ Edited by SmokeCrabtrees on Dec 28, 2017 at 2:34 PM ]

Dec 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM

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Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by hohbie:
People thinking Robinson wouldnt be able to beat out Garcon or Goodwin are crazy. Robinson would become our #1 right away and would have huge numbers for us if healthy. I would be all over that if he becomes available.

Garcon has years playing under Shanny and is a 1k receiver himself.

Goodwin and Robinson are different receivers and he offers the speed Shanny covets.

I firmly think Garcon and Goodwin would start A Rob would come in as the 3rd receiver until we phase Garcon out.

Zero chance Garcon or Goodwin keep Allen Robinson off the field. Garcon has had 1000 yards twice in his career and his big year in 2013 was due to him being force fed the ball (181 targets). He's 31 so I'm not counting on him being a 1000 yard receiver ever again if we bring in a true #1 WR.

Agree that Robinson isn't a perfect scheme fit because he's more of a jump ball/contested catch receiver like Hopkins, but he's so much better than Garcon that it wouldn't matter.

Dec 28, 2017 at 4:20 PM

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Robinson would def be #1 WR. He's too good not to be followed by Garcon and then Goodwin. WR group would be set for a SB run.

Dec 28, 2017 at 8:01 PM

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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Zero chance Garcon or Goodwin keep Allen Robinson off the field. Garcon has had 1000 yards twice in his career and his big year in 2013 was due to him being force fed the ball (181 targets). He's 31 so I'm not counting on him being a 1000 yard receiver ever again if we bring in a true #1 WR.

Agree that Robinson isn't a perfect scheme fit because he's more of a jump ball/contested catch receiver like Hopkins, but he's so much better than Garcon that it wouldn't matter.

You're dismissing Garçon's experience in Shanny's system which I wouldn't do. This is someone he brought in twice to play for him.

Robinson being more talented isn't just going to knock him out.

Goodwin will start over him for 4.25 reasons.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Dec 28, 2017 at 8:03 PM ]

Dec 29, 2017 at 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Zero chance Garcon or Goodwin keep Allen Robinson off the field. Garcon has had 1000 yards twice in his career and his big year in 2013 was due to him being force fed the ball (181 targets). He's 31 so I'm not counting on him being a 1000 yard receiver ever again if we bring in a true #1 WR.

Agree that Robinson isn't a perfect scheme fit because he's more of a jump ball/contested catch receiver like Hopkins, but he's so much better than Garcon that it wouldn't matter.

You're dismissing Garçon's experience in Shanny's system which I wouldn't do. This is someone he brought in twice to play for him.

Robinson being more talented isn't just going to knock him out.

Goodwin will start over him for 4.25 reasons.

Ive came around to saying we aint getting no "#1" unless Garcon is moved. Just my gut. And my gut says Garcon will be here next year. Think were gonna groom someone and add a vet contributor to take Aldrick Robinson's roster spot. Rookie takes Boldens.

[ Edited by SmokeCrabtrees on Dec 29, 2017 at 2:13 AM ]

Dec 29, 2017 at 2:01 AM

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Robinson is a technician at route running. He is absolutely not just a tall target, tho he is a master at 50/50 contested balls. He is 100% the definition of a #1 receiver and there is no reason to think he wouldn't be in our system, unless he hasn't recovered from his ACL. And he is not slow...He is a sub 4.5 WR at 6'3 210 lbs. He is absolutely, without a doubt, unequivocally a better receiver than both garcon and Goodwin

[ Edited by adrianlesnar on Dec 29, 2017 at 2:02 AM ]

Dec 29, 2017 at 4:05 AM

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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Robinson is a technician at route running. He is absolutely not just a tall target, tho he is a master at 50/50 contested balls. He is 100% the definition of a #1 receiver and there is no reason to think he wouldn't be in our system, unless he hasn't recovered from his ACL. And he is not slow...He is a sub 4.5 WR at 6'3 210 lbs. He is absolutely, without a doubt, unequivocally a better receiver than both garcon and Goodwin

Actually ran a 4.60 at the combine then sub 4.5 at his pro day.

Not slow but he won't play the speedster Desean role in the o. Goodwin has that on lockdown here with his play.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Dec 29, 2017 at 4:06 AM ]