Vincent Jackson is the missing piece for the 49ers | Page 2

PatrickJira411 · 2012-02-17T05:29:45-08:00

IMO. He is the guy we need to get. I would offer him big money. I would not do the same to Marques Colston or Steve Johnson. Robert Meachem would be a nice, cheaper fallback option but I think VJax is the guy we need to go get. http://www.49erswebzone.com/news/goto.php?id=42479

Feb 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Marques Colston had 24 TDs in 3 years, is a year younger and doesnt have the injury concerns like Jackson, If we are gonna go after a WR id rather go after Colston

Huh???? Colston has had 3 major knee injuries and had microfracture procedures in both legs. Colston has the worst injury concerns of any free agent WR on the market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/marques-colston-recovering-from-another-microfracture-surgery/

This is the same procedure that Greg Oden has underwent repeatedly, Colston's knees basically are on a ticking clock and there's no telling when they finally give out.

yet he has only missed 10 games in his entire career

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Feb 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by valrod33:
yet he has only missed 10 games in his entire career

When you've had 2 major procedures like that, it's a huge red flag.

What do DeShaun Foster, Jeremy Newberry, Patrick Jeffers all have in common?

Their careers were shortly DOA after microfracture surgery, within 2-3 seasons. Its not an injury that you just magically bounce back from, overall guys with microfracture see their career longevity decrease tremendously.

Feb 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by valrod33:
yet he has only missed 10 games in his entire career

When you've had 2 major procedures like that, it's a huge red flag.

What do DeShaun Foster, Jeremy Newberry, Patrick Jeffers all have in common?

Their careers were shortly DOA after microfracture surgery, within 2-3 seasons. Its not an injury that you just magically bounce back from, overall guys with microfracture see their career longevity decrease tremendously.

He just had a season where he was more productive than any of those guys after MFX though. Like I said, you don't know the size of the chondral defect, the location(whether it was weight bearing), etc. My guess is he'll be fine for a few more years because he came back better than any of those guys and played basically a whole season without knee problems.

Feb 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Oh and VJax will be 29 next season. He's 6'5'' and real athletic, I don't think he'll decline too much in his early 30s. IMO we'd be lucky to get either VJax or Colston.

He'll turn 30 the week after the season ends, had it backwards with Colston will turn 29 in 3 months. Jackson's physicality is the only reason I would want him at this point.

Feb 17, 2012 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Oh and VJax will be 29 next season. He's 6'5'' and real athletic, I don't think he'll decline too much in his early 30s. IMO we'd be lucky to get either VJax or Colston.

He'll turn 30 the week after the season ends, had it backwards with Colston will turn 29 in 3 months. Jackson's physicality is the only reason I would want him at this point.

lol for real? So you wouldn't want a 6'5'' WR who can jump real high and runs good routes and has good hands? WRs are effective after 30 all the time. TO, Steve Smith, Jerry, Chris Carter, Plaxico, etc. VJax is a beast he will be fine for the next 4 years.

Feb 17, 2012 at 11:57 AM

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For the right price i would love him but not for the money that other teams will pay him. It seems like he gives up in certain games...but there is no denying that amazing athletic ability that he possesses

Feb 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
28 TDs in three years. If the niners draft a WR and sign him then I'll risk the injuries. This team was too close to the SB to not risk a little.

Marques Colston had 24 TDs in 3 years, is a year younger and doesnt have the injury concerns like Jackson, If we are gonna go after a WR id rather go after Colston

Colston runs a 4.7. And has Drew Brees ball placement throwing to him. He'd be ineffective on our team. Vincent Jackson is actually fast.

Feb 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM

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Vincent Jackson is my Preference(Bowe isn't hitting the market) he's tall and fast he and Vernon( hopefully also Fleener) would cause so many mismatches on offense it's ridiculous. I think he's one of those receivers the niners will throw good money at I wouldn't mind if they did either.

Feb 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
28 TDs in three years. If the niners draft a WR and sign him then I'll risk the injuries. This team was too close to the SB to not risk a little.

Marques Colston had 24 TDs in 3 years, is a year younger and doesnt have the injury concerns like Jackson, If we are gonna go after a WR id rather go after Colston

Colston runs a 4.7. And has Drew Brees ball placement throwing to him. He'd be ineffective on our team. Vincent Jackson is actually fast.

No he doesn't, Colston runs a 4.55 dude. Both of them are hella good. We will be lucky to land either of them.

Feb 17, 2012 at 7:33 PM

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Originally posted by valrod33:
Marques Colston had 24 TDs in 3 years, is a year younger and doesnt have the injury concerns like Jackson, If we are gonna go after a WR id rather go after Colston

Marques Colston has had two microfracture knee surgeries and has had ankle problems and a broken collarbone. Colston would be a great red zone target for us but him and Crabtree would struggle getting seperation and I think would not be a good WR duo. VJax is a great red zone target and is also a big play guy.

Feb 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM

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PatrickJira411
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Marques Colston had 24 TDs in 3 years, is a year younger and doesnt have the injury concerns like Jackson, If we are gonna go after a WR id rather go after Colston

Originally posted by ads_2006:
No thanks

Nearly 30

Past injury issues

Is still on probation and has been previously suspended by nfl for violating the substance policy

I wouldn't want to make him one of the richest wrs in history

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Injuries really concern me.

What injuries? He has only missed one game due to injury in the last 6 years. He missed 11 games in 2010 but that was because of a holdout.

Feb 17, 2012 at 7:37 PM

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PatrickJira411
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
When you've had 2 major procedures like that, it's a huge red flag.

What do DeShaun Foster, Jeremy Newberry, Patrick Jeffers all have in common?

Their careers were shortly DOA after microfracture surgery, within 2-3 seasons. Its not an injury that you just magically bounce back from, overall guys with microfracture see their career longevity decrease tremendously.

Yep. That is why I would not touch Colston. Get him out of the Saints offense w/o Brees and the surrounding cast and I think he is a good #2 WR. But he is going to command #1 WR money and he is not worth it.

I would seriously consider paying top dollar to Vincent Jackson and Dwayne Bowe. If we can't get either of them, I would go after Robert Meachem. Either way, I think we almost certainly draft a WR in the 1st rd or move down a few slots and take a WR early in the 2nd. Good draft for a big, talented WR's.

Feb 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

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The W.R is 6-5 tall and fast he will be a great target in the RZ and on 3rd down I lovee the idea of going for Vincent Jackson

Feb 18, 2012 at 10:54 AM

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Like i said before, Colston doesn't see double teams nearly as often as Jackson. When you look at the Saints they have receiving threats everywhere. The defense can't focus on just one. Outside of Jackson the best receiving threat in San Diego is Gates. Jackson still gets open with double teams and has produced more than Colston.

Feb 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM

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PatrickJira411
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Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Like i said before, Colston doesn't see double teams nearly as often as Jackson. When you look at the Saints they have receiving threats everywhere. The defense can't focus on just one. Outside of Jackson the best receiving threat in San Diego is Gates. Jackson still gets open with double teams and has produced more than Colston.

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