TROY SMITH TROLLEY

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well knew the playbook or not doesnt make up for the passing percentage;

Harbaugh values accuracy from a quarterback, and there is little question Alex Smith ranks ahead of Troy Smith in that regard. Alex completed 59.6 percent of his passes last season, while Smith barely connected on half his attempts (50.3 percent).

Knowing the playbook or not, C'mon Jersey, you can't be serious. If you miss a receiver and don't know what route or cut hes going to make, that counts against your accuracy. It also comes down to chemistry and coaching too.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well knew the playbook or not doesnt make up for the passing percentage;

Harbaugh values accuracy from a quarterback, and there is little question Alex Smith ranks ahead of Troy Smith in that regard. Alex completed 59.6 percent of his passes last season, while Smith barely connected on half his attempts (50.3 percent).

Knowing the playbook or not, C'mon Jersey, you can't be serious. If you miss a receiver and don't know what route or cut hes going to make, that counts against your accuracy. It also comes down to chemistry and coaching too.

???????? U lost me big K. And i didnt break down the specifics of what went into the numbers. I mean there could be maybe 10 factors including the ones you mentioned.

Remember when we used to go back and forth over the years, when people talked about Alex, and we broke up stats. Some included this, or some excluded that, but at the end of the day, most said the final number is what it is.

REgardless of what goes into the equation. Even with the Win/loss record. Most say forget years of potential, or good this, or bad that. They just say look at the whole number.

I didnt make that percentage up. That was a section taken out of Maiocco's write up. So ask him any questions you may have. I've just been done with trying to find out how people come to the numbers they do. I got that from Maiocco (could be spelled wrong), and dont know what he took into account.

I mean without listing the specifics Maiocco said it shows he barely connected. He didnt say barely connected but lets take into account this or that. So once again, im just printing what was said already brotha K.

But anything else im here, let me know. :)

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Too bad he looked like the blacks man Jeff Garcia.

Don't you insult Jeff Garcia like that!

lol I wasnt.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well knew the playbook or not doesnt make up for the passing percentage;

Harbaugh values accuracy from a quarterback, and there is little question Alex Smith ranks ahead of Troy Smith in that regard. Alex completed 59.6 percent of his passes last season, while Smith barely connected on half his attempts (50.3 percent).

Knowing the playbook or not, C'mon Jersey, you can't be serious. If you miss a receiver and don't know what route or cut hes going to make, that counts against your accuracy. It also comes down to chemistry and coaching too.

???????? U lost me big K. And i didnt break down the specifics of what went into the numbers. I mean there could be maybe 10 factors including the ones you mentioned.

Remember when we used to go back and forth over the years, when people talked about Alex, and we broke up stats. Some included this, or some excluded that, but at the end of the day, most said the final number is what it is.

REgardless of what goes into the equation. Even with the Win/loss record. Most say forget years of potential, or good this, or bad that. They just say look at the whole number.

I didnt make that percentage up. That was a section taken out of Maiocco's write up. So ask him any questions you may have. I've just been done with trying to find out how people come to the numbers they do. I got that from Maiocco (could be spelled wrong), and dont know what he took into account.

I mean without listing the specifics Maiocco said it shows he barely connected. He didnt say barely connected but lets take into account this or that. So once again, im just printing what was said already brotha K.

But anything else im here, let me know. :)

Look, his first 2 games he was in the 60% range. This shows he can be accurate when he knows the plays. His average yards per completion are over 1 yard greater than Alex's. This shows he was throwing more difficult routes and not just dumping the ball off all of the time. Another stat that shows us this is the completed deep passes where 14.7% of Alex's passes went for over 20 yards; but, Troy was at 30% (more than double). Even you have to agree that a short pass is easier to complete than a long one...

With that all said, I do agree that Alex's accuracy is better on the shorter stuff than Troy; but, you have to agree that a good deal of Alex's completions were on short dump-off/check-down passes and Alex was a bit timid to pull the trigger on more complicated throws.

[ Edited by D_Niner on Jan 31, 2011 at 10:24:54 ]

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well knew the playbook or not doesnt make up for the passing percentage;

Harbaugh values accuracy from a quarterback, and there is little question Alex Smith ranks ahead of Troy Smith in that regard. Alex completed 59.6 percent of his passes last season, while Smith barely connected on half his attempts (50.3 percent).

Knowing the playbook or not, C'mon Jersey, you can't be serious. If you miss a receiver and don't know what route or cut hes going to make, that counts against your accuracy. It also comes down to chemistry and coaching too.

???????? U lost me big K. And i didnt break down the specifics of what went into the numbers. I mean there could be maybe 10 factors including the ones you mentioned.

Remember when we used to go back and forth over the years, when people talked about Alex, and we broke up stats. Some included this, or some excluded that, but at the end of the day, most said the final number is what it is.

REgardless of what goes into the equation. Even with the Win/loss record. Most say forget years of potential, or good this, or bad that. They just say look at the whole number.

I didnt make that percentage up. That was a section taken out of Maiocco's write up. So ask him any questions you may have. I've just been done with trying to find out how people come to the numbers they do. I got that from Maiocco (could be spelled wrong), and dont know what he took into account.

I mean without listing the specifics Maiocco said it shows he barely connected. He didnt say barely connected but lets take into account this or that. So once again, im just printing what was said already brotha K.

But anything else im here, let me know. :)

Look, his first 2 games he was in the 60% range. This shows he can be accurate when he knows the plays. His average yards per completion are over 1 yard greater than Alex's. This shows he was throwing more difficult routes and not just dumping the ball off all of the time. Another stat that shows us this is the completed deep passes where 14.7% of Alex's passes went for over 20 yards; but, Troy was at 30% (more than double). Even you have to agree that a short pass is easier to complete than a long one...

With that all said, I do agree that Alex's accuracy is better on the shorter stuff than Troy; but, you have to agree that a good deal of Alex's completions were on short dump-off/check-down passes and Alex was a bit timid to pull the trigger on more complicated throws.

Hey D, well yeah trust me I understand everything your saying, but u have to agree that there are many more factors to take in as well, i.e. (passes Smith had from the pocket as opposed to Troy rolling out).
And with those first 2 starts, some can also argue that he did that all before teams were able to figure him out. Then after they did, all you really have is those first two games. Because I have to say I have seen tons of balls overthrown and underthrown when Troy was in the pocket. And trust me thats not saying that Alex didnt do the same thing as well.

Overall tho, I just included those numbers because Maiocco did. I dont know the formula he used. And I just look at the overall QB number. So as a result, it's correct to assume that regardless of short or intermediate or deep throws, that Alex is the more accurate QB overall, regardless of formula used. And most of Smith throws are from the pocket, as opposed to Troy's from play actions and rolling out.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well knew the playbook or not doesnt make up for the passing percentage;

Harbaugh values accuracy from a quarterback, and there is little question Alex Smith ranks ahead of Troy Smith in that regard. Alex completed 59.6 percent of his passes last season, while Smith barely connected on half his attempts (50.3 percent).

Knowing the playbook or not, C'mon Jersey, you can't be serious. If you miss a receiver and don't know what route or cut hes going to make, that counts against your accuracy. It also comes down to chemistry and coaching too.

???????? U lost me big K. And i didnt break down the specifics of what went into the numbers. I mean there could be maybe 10 factors including the ones you mentioned.

Remember when we used to go back and forth over the years, when people talked about Alex, and we broke up stats. Some included this, or some excluded that, but at the end of the day, most said the final number is what it is.

REgardless of what goes into the equation. Even with the Win/loss record. Most say forget years of potential, or good this, or bad that. They just say look at the whole number.

I didnt make that percentage up. That was a section taken out of Maiocco's write up. So ask him any questions you may have. I've just been done with trying to find out how people come to the numbers they do. I got that from Maiocco (could be spelled wrong), and dont know what he took into account.

I mean without listing the specifics Maiocco said it shows he barely connected. He didnt say barely connected but lets take into account this or that. So once again, im just printing what was said already brotha K.

But anything else im here, let me know. :)

Look, his first 2 games he was in the 60% range. This shows he can be accurate when he knows the plays. His average yards per completion are over 1 yard greater than Alex's. This shows he was throwing more difficult routes and not just dumping the ball off all of the time. Another stat that shows us this is the completed deep passes where 14.7% of Alex's passes went for over 20 yards; but, Troy was at 30% (more than double). Even you have to agree that a short pass is easier to complete than a long one...

With that all said, I do agree that Alex's accuracy is better on the shorter stuff than Troy; but, you have to agree that a good deal of Alex's completions were on short dump-off/check-down passes and Alex was a bit timid to pull the trigger on more complicated throws.

Hey D, well yeah trust me I understand everything your saying, but u have to agree that there are many more factors to take in as well, i.e. (passes Smith had from the pocket as opposed to Troy rolling out).
And with those first 2 starts, some can also argue that he did that all before teams were able to figure him out. Then after they did, all you really have is those first two games. Because I have to say I have seen tons of balls overthrown and underthrown when Troy was in the pocket. And trust me thats not saying that Alex didnt do the same thing as well.

Overall tho, I just included those numbers because Maiocco did. I dont know the formula he used. And I just look at the overall QB number. So as a result, it's correct to assume that regardless of short or intermediate or deep throws, that Alex is the more accurate QB overall, regardless of formula used. And most of Smith throws are from the pocket, as opposed to Troy's from play actions and rolling out.

Yeah, there are several factors to account for; but to see if a guy can be accurate is pretty easy. That's all I'm sayin, is that Troy can be accurate; at least enough to game plan around (and I think we both can agree game planning was a problem for both these guys last year)...

[ Edited by D_Niner on Jan 31, 2011 at 11:24:57 ]

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well knew the playbook or not doesnt make up for the passing percentage;

Harbaugh values accuracy from a quarterback, and there is little question Alex Smith ranks ahead of Troy Smith in that regard. Alex completed 59.6 percent of his passes last season, while Smith barely connected on half his attempts (50.3 percent).

Knowing the playbook or not, C'mon Jersey, you can't be serious. If you miss a receiver and don't know what route or cut hes going to make, that counts against your accuracy. It also comes down to chemistry and coaching too.

???????? U lost me big K. And i didnt break down the specifics of what went into the numbers. I mean there could be maybe 10 factors including the ones you mentioned.

Remember when we used to go back and forth over the years, when people talked about Alex, and we broke up stats. Some included this, or some excluded that, but at the end of the day, most said the final number is what it is.

REgardless of what goes into the equation. Even with the Win/loss record. Most say forget years of potential, or good this, or bad that. They just say look at the whole number.

I didnt make that percentage up. That was a section taken out of Maiocco's write up. So ask him any questions you may have. I've just been done with trying to find out how people come to the numbers they do. I got that from Maiocco (could be spelled wrong), and dont know what he took into account.

I mean without listing the specifics Maiocco said it shows he barely connected. He didnt say barely connected but lets take into account this or that. So once again, im just printing what was said already brotha K.

But anything else im here, let me know. :)

Look, his first 2 games he was in the 60% range. This shows he can be accurate when he knows the plays. His average yards per completion are over 1 yard greater than Alex's. This shows he was throwing more difficult routes and not just dumping the ball off all of the time. Another stat that shows us this is the completed deep passes where 14.7% of Alex's passes went for over 20 yards; but, Troy was at 30% (more than double). Even you have to agree that a short pass is easier to complete than a long one...

With that all said, I do agree that Alex's accuracy is better on the shorter stuff than Troy; but, you have to agree that a good deal of Alex's completions were on short dump-off/check-down passes and Alex was a bit timid to pull the trigger on more complicated throws.

Hey D, well yeah trust me I understand everything your saying, but u have to agree that there are many more factors to take in as well, i.e. (passes Smith had from the pocket as opposed to Troy rolling out).
And with those first 2 starts, some can also argue that he did that all before teams were able to figure him out. Then after they did, all you really have is those first two games. Because I have to say I have seen tons of balls overthrown and underthrown when Troy was in the pocket. And trust me thats not saying that Alex didnt do the same thing as well.

Overall tho, I just included those numbers because Maiocco did. I dont know the formula he used. And I just look at the overall QB number. So as a result, it's correct to assume that regardless of short or intermediate or deep throws, that Alex is the more accurate QB overall, regardless of formula used. And most of Smith throws are from the pocket, as opposed to Troy's from play actions and rolling out.

Yeah, there are several factors to account for; but to see if a guy can be accurate is pretty easy. That's all I'm sayin, is that Troy can be accurate; at least enough to game plan around (and I think we both can agree game planning was a problem for both these guys last year)...

Hellllllll Yeahh! So with the bolded, I agree with you 150%, D.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well knew the playbook or not doesnt make up for the passing percentage;

Harbaugh values accuracy from a quarterback, and there is little question Alex Smith ranks ahead of Troy Smith in that regard. Alex completed 59.6 percent of his passes last season, while Smith barely connected on half his attempts (50.3 percent).

Knowing the playbook or not, C'mon Jersey, you can't be serious. If you miss a receiver and don't know what route or cut hes going to make, that counts against your accuracy. It also comes down to chemistry and coaching too.

???????? U lost me big K. And i didnt break down the specifics of what went into the numbers. I mean there could be maybe 10 factors including the ones you mentioned.

Remember when we used to go back and forth over the years, when people talked about Alex, and we broke up stats. Some included this, or some excluded that, but at the end of the day, most said the final number is what it is.

REgardless of what goes into the equation. Even with the Win/loss record. Most say forget years of potential, or good this, or bad that. They just say look at the whole number.

I didnt make that percentage up. That was a section taken out of Maiocco's write up. So ask him any questions you may have. I've just been done with trying to find out how people come to the numbers they do. I got that from Maiocco (could be spelled wrong), and dont know what he took into account.

I mean without listing the specifics Maiocco said it shows he barely connected. He didnt say barely connected but lets take into account this or that. So once again, im just printing what was said already brotha K.

But anything else im here, let me know. :)

Look, his first 2 games he was in the 60% range. This shows he can be accurate when he knows the plays. His average yards per completion are over 1 yard greater than Alex's. This shows he was throwing more difficult routes and not just dumping the ball off all of the time. Another stat that shows us this is the completed deep passes where 14.7% of Alex's passes went for over 20 yards; but, Troy was at 30% (more than double). Even you have to agree that a short pass is easier to complete than a long one...

With that all said, I do agree that Alex's accuracy is better on the shorter stuff than Troy; but, you have to agree that a good deal of Alex's completions were on short dump-off/check-down passes and Alex was a bit timid to pull the trigger on more complicated throws.

Hey D, well yeah trust me I understand everything your saying, but u have to agree that there are many more factors to take in as well, i.e. (passes Smith had from the pocket as opposed to Troy rolling out).
And with those first 2 starts, some can also argue that he did that all before teams were able to figure him out. Then after they did, all you really have is those first two games. Because I have to say I have seen tons of balls overthrown and underthrown when Troy was in the pocket. And trust me thats not saying that Alex didnt do the same thing as well.

Overall tho, I just included those numbers because Maiocco did. I dont know the formula he used. And I just look at the overall QB number. So as a result, it's correct to assume that regardless of short or intermediate or deep throws, that Alex is the more accurate QB overall, regardless of formula used. And most of Smith throws are from the pocket, as opposed to Troy's from play actions and rolling out.

Yeah, there are several factors to account for; but to see if a guy can be accurate is pretty easy. That's all I'm sayin, is that Troy can be accurate; at least enough to game plan around (and I think we both can agree game planning was a problem for both these guys last year)...

Hellllllll Yeahh! So with the bolded, I agree with you 150%, D.

all i am saying is that troy threw for 350 yards and it only took 6 games compared to Alex 6 years

[ Edited by Frisco69ers on Jan 31, 2011 at 12:01:13 ]

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well knew the playbook or not doesnt make up for the passing percentage;

Harbaugh values accuracy from a quarterback, and there is little question Alex Smith ranks ahead of Troy Smith in that regard. Alex completed 59.6 percent of his passes last season, while Smith barely connected on half his attempts (50.3 percent).

Knowing the playbook or not, C'mon Jersey, you can't be serious. If you miss a receiver and don't know what route or cut hes going to make, that counts against your accuracy. It also comes down to chemistry and coaching too.

???????? U lost me big K. And i didnt break down the specifics of what went into the numbers. I mean there could be maybe 10 factors including the ones you mentioned.

Remember when we used to go back and forth over the years, when people talked about Alex, and we broke up stats. Some included this, or some excluded that, but at the end of the day, most said the final number is what it is.

REgardless of what goes into the equation. Even with the Win/loss record. Most say forget years of potential, or good this, or bad that. They just say look at the whole number.

I didnt make that percentage up. That was a section taken out of Maiocco's write up. So ask him any questions you may have. I've just been done with trying to find out how people come to the numbers they do. I got that from Maiocco (could be spelled wrong), and dont know what he took into account.

I mean without listing the specifics Maiocco said it shows he barely connected. He didnt say barely connected but lets take into account this or that. So once again, im just printing what was said already brotha K.

But anything else im here, let me know. :)

Look, his first 2 games he was in the 60% range. This shows he can be accurate when he knows the plays. His average yards per completion are over 1 yard greater than Alex's. This shows he was throwing more difficult routes and not just dumping the ball off all of the time. Another stat that shows us this is the completed deep passes where 14.7% of Alex's passes went for over 20 yards; but, Troy was at 30% (more than double). Even you have to agree that a short pass is easier to complete than a long one...

With that all said, I do agree that Alex's accuracy is better on the shorter stuff than Troy; but, you have to agree that a good deal of Alex's completions were on short dump-off/check-down passes and Alex was a bit timid to pull the trigger on more complicated throws.

Hey D, well yeah trust me I understand everything your saying, but u have to agree that there are many more factors to take in as well, i.e. (passes Smith had from the pocket as opposed to Troy rolling out).
And with those first 2 starts, some can also argue that he did that all before teams were able to figure him out. Then after they did, all you really have is those first two games. Because I have to say I have seen tons of balls overthrown and underthrown when Troy was in the pocket. And trust me thats not saying that Alex didnt do the same thing as well.

Overall tho, I just included those numbers because Maiocco did. I dont know the formula he used. And I just look at the overall QB number. So as a result, it's correct to assume that regardless of short or intermediate or deep throws, that Alex is the more accurate QB overall, regardless of formula used. And most of Smith throws are from the pocket, as opposed to Troy's from play actions and rolling out.

Yeah, there are several factors to account for; but to see if a guy can be accurate is pretty easy. That's all I'm sayin, is that Troy can be accurate; at least enough to game plan around (and I think we both can agree game planning was a problem for both these guys last year)...

Hellllllll Yeahh! So with the bolded, I agree with you 150%, D.

all i am saying is that troy threw for 350 yards and it only took 6 games compared to Alex 6 years

and every other game he didn't go over 200 yards. What is your point?

for the worshipers: http://twitter.com/TroySmith_1_

I thought we ended this conservation of who's better Alex or Troy. Alex is clearly better and that showed in the rams game! It took alex one drive to complete as many passes as troy smith all game! Troy is nothing more than a back QB in the NFL. PERIOD

Originally posted by ace130:
I thought we ended this conservation of who's better Alex or Troy. Alex is clearly better and that showed in the rams game! It took alex one drive to complete as many passes as troy smith all game! Troy is nothing more than a back QB in the NFL. PERIOD

I find it funny how every year since Alex has been here it takes deep down analysis,percentages and stats just to show Alex is lil better than a backup or a journeyman QB.

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by ace130:
I thought we ended this conservation of who's better Alex or Troy. Alex is clearly better and that showed in the rams game! It took alex one drive to complete as many passes as troy smith all game! Troy is nothing more than a back QB in the NFL. PERIOD

I find it funny how every year since Alex has been here it takes deep down analysis,percentages and stats just to show Alex is lil better than a backup or a journeyman QB.

It doesn't take anything deep-down to show that Alex is better than Troy. He just played better than him and it also doesn't help that Troy is terrible and horribly inaccurate.

[ Edited by binary2nd on Jan 31, 2011 at 14:46:02 ]

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by ace130:
I thought we ended this conservation of who's better Alex or Troy. Alex is clearly better and that showed in the rams game! It took alex one drive to complete as many passes as troy smith all game! Troy is nothing more than a back QB in the NFL. PERIOD

I find it funny how every year since Alex has been here it takes deep down analysis,percentages and stats just to show Alex is lil better than a backup or a journeyman QB.

It doesn't take anything deep-down to show that Alex is better than Troy. He just played better than him and it also doesn't help that Troy is terrible and horribly inaccurate.

What about Shaun Hill? The point is Alex was suppose to be our franchise QB. 6 years later we are comparing his play to backups & journeymen. Futhermore to a QB (Troy) with no training camp, no countinuity, limited playbook, or no chemistry with his WRs. LOL!

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by ace130:
I thought we ended this conservation of who's better Alex or Troy. Alex is clearly better and that showed in the rams game! It took alex one drive to complete as many passes as troy smith all game! Troy is nothing more than a back QB in the NFL. PERIOD

I find it funny how every year since Alex has been here it takes deep down analysis,percentages and stats just to show Alex is lil better than a backup or a journeyman QB.

It doesn't take anything deep-down to show that Alex is better than Troy. He just played better than him and it also doesn't help that Troy is terrible and horribly inaccurate.

What about Shaun Hill? The point is Alex was suppose to be our franchise QB. 6 years later we are comparing his play to backups & journeymen. Futhermore to a QB (Troy) with no training camp, no countinuity, limited playbook, or no chemistry with his WRs. LOL!

Alex was better than Shaun Hill too. He outplayed Hill in the same crappy Raye system with the same supporting cast, there's no real debate their either from people that know football.