Originally posted by ninerfan21:Originally posted by 49erRider:Originally posted by 9erfan4life:Originally posted by 49erRider:Originally posted by redrathman:Originally posted by 49erRider:
The Zone's favorite RB that has never produced on the field is Michael Robinson.
This statement is quite false. A quick search of the Webzone will net you five different hate threads dedicated to Michael Robinson.
Is the Michael Robinson experiment officially over?
Michael Robinson HAS TO GO!
Has Michael Robinson gotten weak???
Do we need Michael Robinson?
can someone explain to me the michael robinson goaline package
And in every single one of those threads there are people like yourself overvaluing his presence. Besides those threads, if you read the webzone regularly, you will have come across countless comments praising Michael Robinson as if he were a productive player on offense. Please.
Originally posted by redrathman:Originally posted by 49erRider:
Yeah yeah, I know he's a "special teams ace," but people like to justify his presence on the team beyond his special teams ability and claim he's actually a good/underutilized player on offense, which is an absolute joke.
He's on this team because of his special teams ability, but let's face it, every team has a similar player so they are not hard to come by. Couple that with the fact he's well-liked in the locker room and what we have is a player that epitomizes the reasons for our mediocrity. We're still keeping character guys over talented guys.
Sheets and Clayton are better than Robinson as RBs. Period. Robinson should have been gone long before they even thought about releasing either of those guys, especially Sheets. Keith Lewis was also a special teams ace, we let him go. Why? He served no other purpose as he was a liability on defense. Robinson is another Keith Lewis, but on offense.
You've discounted his contribution to special teams while understating his important on offense. I get it. You despise the guy because he isn't flashy and doesn't produce graspable statistics. I'll provide you with a bit of knowledge on Robinson.
Give me a godd*mn break. You're just like every other poster on here who can't take it when somebody disagrees with you about a player. You assume that just because I don't overrate Robinson, I must not know anything about him or what he does. On the contrary, I know as much about the guy as you do. You know what you read, just like I do. I read a lot. I also know what I see from him on the field. Don't sit there and try to discredit what I say by falsely insinuating I need "knowledge" dropped on me about the guy. I don't speak (or comment) on what I don't know, so get that nonsense out of here.
Originally posted by redrathman:
Let's assess Robinson's role with the team:
- Special Teams Captain. Robinson has totaled 79 tackles in four seasons on Special Teams. He was also elected as a Pro Bowl Alternate in both 2008 and 2009.
That's great. Too bad most of the other special teams captains and pro bowl special teamers around the league have value outside of what they do on special teams, even if it's in a backup capacity - which is likely what keeps them around on other teams. We aren't like other teams, we haven't had a winning record in 7 years! Maybe we need to start being like other teams that know what they're doing. Robinson won't even be a 3rd string RB on this team.
Originally posted by redrathman:
- Affable veteran and key personality in the locker room. This aspect is highly underrated. Most fans have absolutely zero access to the team outside of the three hours they see the team on Sunday. I can understand why you can't possibly grasp Robinson's contributions to the team; you literally have no idea of how great of a teammate he is.
His popularity in the locker room is not going to make the other players play at a higher level. You have got to be joking with this one. YOU have no idea whether his "key personality in the locker room" has helped a single player do ANYTHING. So, YOU literally have no idea if this is in any way helping anyone else on the team and you have no way of proving this aspect is highly underrated. It seems highly overrated by people like yourself.
By the way, isn't Coach Singletary the guy who motivates this team? Nah, it must be Michael Robinson.
Originally posted by redrathman:
- Lead protection on punts. Andy Lee has had just one punt blocked during Robinson's three seasons as personal protector. That statistic is best in the NFL over the last three seasons (qualifying punters with 50+ punts per season).
Cool. Did we have problems with punts being blocked before Robinson took over as lead protection on punts? Didn't think so. No team in the league that I can think of has a problem with punts being blocked. It happens now and then, but nobody is in dire need of a guy like Robinson protecting their punter. And it's funny how you conveniently give Robinson sole credit for this statistic. I guess Jennings and Andy Lee had nothing to do with that, right?
Originally posted by redrathman:
- Pass protection at both Halfback and Fullback. While unheralded and certainly unnoticed by many, Robinson's contributions on offense are essential.
The problem with that is when Robinson does come in, which wasn't much last season and for good reason, he seems to run the ball for 1-yard instead of doing what you claim he does so well. Frank Gore is a better blocker than him. Coffee, according to the coaches, is more than adequate in that department. You're acting as if we don't have anyone else that can do this. As for him as a fullback, he has no experience and there's a reason the team continues to look for more options when Robinson is in the picture at any position.
Originally posted by redrathman:
Kory Sheets and Michael Clayton lacked the Special Teams abilities and pass protection technique that Robinson possessed, which is why they are on different teams fighting for a roster spot. Players like Robinson are high demand and aren't readily available in the NFL as you suggest.
Name me some teams that are in dire need of a guy like Robinson. If he were to be cut today, some team would obviously pick him up, but no team would be rushing to get him a contract and getting into bidding wars with other teams over him. If he were really as valuable as you claim he is, they might. EVERY SINGLE TEAM has their Michael Robinson. The difference is, most of the other teams can USE their Michael Robinson elsewhere. We can't. We've tried.
Originally posted by redrathman:
You have absolutely nothing to back up your claim that Sheets and Clayton are better Halfbacks than Robinson because neither have seen significant playing time in the NFL.
All you have to do is watch them play. They find holes. Robinson doesn't. Even during preseason, Robinson can't do sh*t with the ball. The other two could. Why? Because they are actually halfbacks. Robinson is a converted QB. He lacks vision and has ZERO explosiveness. A virgin in the dark can find the hole better than he can. The only thing he does well is block, but even Glen Coffee can do that AND run the football better. If Dixon blocks even halfway decent, Robinson will be 4th on the depth chart. In other words, he's as close to useless on offense as you can get.
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy. He seems cool enough and it seems he puts his heart into his work, but that doesn't translate into productive play. He doesn't need flashy stats. He just needs to be able to contribute in a manner that will help the team on offense. 1-yard gains or runs for no gain aren't helping this team in any way. His presence over a guy that might be able to move the football - something Robinson has proven incapable of - might even be hurting the team. Roster spots are valuable, and if we need to keep a special teams ace, he should have value elsewhere on the team. Robinson simply does not.
you guys are talking about backups man backups
2nd stringers man backups
All I'm saying is the webzone's most loved RB who has never produced is not Kory Sheets or Thomas Clayton, it's Michael Robinson.
All I'm going to say is, your even conceding that the statement your arguing is falls, but continue to fight for it? You say he produces on special teams. So he produces. Which by default would leave Sheets or Clayton to be the most loved RB who has never produced since they had no production what-so ever. Argument solved
Come on man, you know I meant production at their given position of RB. Offensive, not special teams, production is what I'm talking about. So, no, my statement is not "falls."
