Nnamdi Asomugha

Originally posted by YuNGaCE:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by YuNGaCE:

Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Can someone post details about his contract? I'm too lazy to look it up

all he has to do is be willing to restructure which i'm sure he'll gladly do since he's probably sick of losing.

i doubt it will make much of a difference. he's still the best cornerback in the league or is at least 1A, sharing the title with Revis. not sure if he will want to cut down on the dollars to much

Revis >>> Asomugha

No way, Revis is hyped to the max playing in NY and for a playoff team. If Asomugha played for the Jets he'd be just as known.

Dude, are you serious right now? In 2008, Nnamdi Asomugha was considered the best cover CB in the game and became the highest paid DB in NFL history after that season. In 2006 and 2007 he was steadily making a name for himself and establishing his position at the top of the ladder. Most sports analysts had him ranked as the best in the league. People know who Nnamdi Asomugha is. He is just as "known" as any DB in the league because of the hype he got a couple years ago and the huge contract the raiders gave him. It might seem like Revis is more well-known because he received his hype this past season and it's still fresh, but Nnamdi is a well-known player and his a lot of hype himself. They both deserve all the hype they get, in my opinion.

BUT, while Nnamdi continued to play very good football this past season, Revis took it to a new level and shut down everybody they put against him. The Jets don't even have to put a safety in coverage to support the guy. He just shuts people down by himself.

If this were the end of 2008 and Revis played the same way he did this year, I'd say it's a tie between the two, but Nnamdi's play in 2009 was not as good as it was in 2008 while Revis' play in 09 was just as good, if not better, that Nnamdi's 2008 season.

Nnamdi is very, very good, but I think he's reached his potential. Revis on the other hand still has room to grow and is already as good, or in my opinion, better, than Nnamdi.

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I would take Revis, Asomugha or Woodson over what we got now.

Originally posted by Trajik1:
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I would take Revis, Asomugha or Woodson over what we got now.

Just a little Asomugha Vs. Revis talk. I completely agree with you, as all 3 guys you mentioned are among the best and are better than anyone we have. I'd take any one of them in a heartbeat.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Trajik1:
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I would take Revis, Asomugha or Woodson over what we got now.

Just a little Asomugha Vs. Revis talk. I completely agree with you, as all 3 guys you mentioned are among the best and are better than anyone we have. I'd take any one of them in a heartbeat.

Revis I would take but Woodson is too old to be part of our future unless he got cut, and Asomugha slipped bad last year. He couldn't stop Vincent Jackson at all that game they were on MNF, and he wasn't nearly the lockdown guy or ballhawk he used to be. He's still a good player but not worth his contract IMO. CB is a need for us at Nate's spot or a nickle CB but Shawntae really did a good job shutting guys down last year because his technique was great.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Trajik1:
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I would take Revis, Asomugha or Woodson over what we got now.

Just a little Asomugha Vs. Revis talk. I completely agree with you, as all 3 guys you mentioned are among the best and are better than anyone we have. I'd take any one of them in a heartbeat.

Revis I would take but Woodson is too old to be part of our future unless he got cut, and Asomugha slipped bad last year. He couldn't stop Vincent Jackson at all that game they were on MNF, and he wasn't nearly the lockdown guy or ballhawk he used to be. He's still a good player but not worth his contract IMO. CB is a need for us at Nate's spot or a nickle CB but Shawntae really did a good job shutting guys down last year because his technique was great.

Spencer is the best DB we have. i dont even think its close. Nate might be let go since we wont be hit in the cap if he is released this year. they may think they can do better than him. i wouldnt be surprised to see us draft a corner early or sign or trade for one.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Trajik1:
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I would take Revis, Asomugha or Woodson over what we got now.

Just a little Asomugha Vs. Revis talk. I completely agree with you, as all 3 guys you mentioned are among the best and are better than anyone we have. I'd take any one of them in a heartbeat.

Revis I would take but Woodson is too old to be part of our future unless he got cut, and Asomugha slipped bad last year. He couldn't stop Vincent Jackson at all that game they were on MNF, and he wasn't nearly the lockdown guy or ballhawk he used to be. He's still a good player but not worth his contract IMO. CB is a need for us at Nate's spot or a nickle CB but Shawntae really did a good job shutting guys down last year because his technique was great.

Spencer is the best DB we have. i dont even think its close. Nate might be let go since we wont be hit in the cap if he is released this year. they may think they can do better than him. i wouldnt be surprised to see us draft a corner early or sign or trade for one.

I'll bet $ they won't cut Nate, and I think Asomugha didn't have that good of a year because the Raiders couldn't stop the run and he had to help out more in run support, Revis on the other hand could worry about his receiver instead of a RB getting past his LB's or safeties.

[ Edited by Trajik1 on Mar 1, 2010 at 01:58:34 ]

Wow! Are the Gayders really paying him that much? Seriously....that's why they totally suck a$$ every year. They get a few stud players...pay them ridiculous amount of money just to get them to oakland...then the players hate it there and get sick of losing...They have TONS of dead money that could be spend on rounding the team out instead of having 19 scrubs, and 3 absolute studs. I'm soooo glad I'm not a raider fan.

didn't they just OVERPAY for their punter last year too? Seems like they're ALWAYS overpaying for players....and not just by alittle. Maybe this is because nobody wants to play for them. Their in BIG TROUBLE for at least the next five years while these ridiculous contracts mature. How could they allow this nonsense? What seems like common sense to you and me is totally invisible to whoever is calling the shots in raiderland. Don't even get me started about the russell contract. Holding out got him PAID in raiderland. Imagine being a young athlete...you get drafted by the raiders. My immediate thought would be, "well this team sucks, but at least Im going to get OVERPAID to be here." I'd ride out my overpriced contract, and look for work elsewhere when I can actually get my carreer moving.

Originally posted by Trajik1:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Trajik1:
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I would take Revis, Asomugha or Woodson over what we got now.

Just a little Asomugha Vs. Revis talk. I completely agree with you, as all 3 guys you mentioned are among the best and are better than anyone we have. I'd take any one of them in a heartbeat.

Revis I would take but Woodson is too old to be part of our future unless he got cut, and Asomugha slipped bad last year. He couldn't stop Vincent Jackson at all that game they were on MNF, and he wasn't nearly the lockdown guy or ballhawk he used to be. He's still a good player but not worth his contract IMO. CB is a need for us at Nate's spot or a nickle CB but Shawntae really did a good job shutting guys down last year because his technique was great.

Spencer is the best DB we have. i dont even think its close. Nate might be let go since we wont be hit in the cap if he is released this year. they may think they can do better than him. i wouldnt be surprised to see us draft a corner early or sign or trade for one.

I'll bet $ they won't cut Nate, and I think Asomugha didn't have that good of a year because the Raiders couldn't stop the run and he had to help out more in run support, Revis on the other hand could worry about his receiver instead of a RB getting past his LB's or safeties.

The raiders having poor run defense is no excuse for any drop in play on Asomugha's part because they've had awful run defense for several years, including 2008 when Nnamdi was crowned the league's best cover CB. Them not being able to stop the run is nothing new. On top of that, Nnamdi is a CB not a safety, so the only time he would have to come up in run support is when the ball had already been handed off, which doesn't help or hurt his coverage abilities. If he were a safety he'd have an excuse because they'd be putting him in the box instead of dropping him back into coverage. It's quite simple: as a CB you are responsible for a WR unless the ball is handed off, in which case you go for the tackle. There is no guess work involved unless it is a play-action pass, but even then a true shutdown CB does not bite. You either cover the guy if he's going out for a pass or you come up to stop a run if it's been handed off. If it's play-action, you make sure the ball has been handed off before you leave coverage. A good CB will do this no matter how poor the team's run defense is. A SS is a bit more complicated in that aspect, but Nnamdi is not a strong safety so there are no excuses.