So can we talk realistically now?

Our offense should be one of the best in the league.

And it would be if everyone played two quarters of football.

Team needs balance, and they need to stop it with the backbreaking penalties on defense. That PI call on cook at the end was completely pathetic. What is so difficult about the new rule? DONT TOUCH RECOVERS ANYMORE, JUST RUN NEXT TO THEM

Originally posted by DavidWGibson:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by DavidWGibson:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
you sound silly
we dominated every 1st half this season. that is what this team could be and should be doing.
arizona's backup is better than their starter.
we were missing several people as well and dominated them
we just don't do it in the 2nd half because we're never trying to kill teams
just win gracefully
and that graceful s**t is giving us LOSES

And what has happened? When we needed to move the ball and finish drives in the second half, we can't. Our offense can't keep up. Our offense has always been dictated by our defense holding the opponent to a low score... if our defense can't hold them, and we can't score more points, we lose...

completely wrong
the coaches dial it back and go conservative and we count on the defense to just stop people when we shouldn't have ever done that in the first place. it makes games closer than they should be and now it's costing us actual victories.
don't turn the offense off until we get 50 points that is the simple fix.
if we go into a game and try to score 50 the games are completely different.

but they go in wanting to score 17 and when we hit that they turn it off and then try to turn it on.

I guess, if that's the way you want to look at it... But the team philosophy JH's entire tenure has been to hold the other team to below 23 (was that the number?) points, and scoring 23 points... And it's always worked... but injuries and suspensions hit us too hard this offseason, and our secondary is kind of weak...

and that's exactly the problem
the number is too damn low

score 50
and hold opponents to 0

that's how you win games and that's how you win it all

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
completely wrong
the coaches dial it back and go conservative and we count on the defense to just stop people when we shouldn't have ever done that in the first place. it makes games closer than they should be and now it's costing us actual victories.
don't turn the offense off until we get 50 points that is the simple fix.
if we go into a game and try to score 50 the games are completely different.

but they go in wanting to score 17 and when we hit that they turn it off and then try to turn it on.

what exactly is 'go conservative' ? if its running the ball, we certainly weren't very conservative today

since harbaugh got here, we've been winning games off defense and run game. there have been very few exceptions to this general trend. Im not sure how we 'shouldnt have ever done that in the first place', when its the very basis of our success.

I know it may be hard to admit, but we aren't that kind of team that will win airing it out and put 50 in the process. the few times we tried, guess what happens ? 3 and out. 3 and out again.
we're a team that is built on run game and D to sustain long drives and take the ball away from other team. when we start going 'not conservative', that does not happen. most of our big wins over the years came off defense making big takeaways and providing the offense with good field position or scoring themselves.

this year, we start out fast and then other team makes adjustment. we certainly weren't conservative today in the 2nd half

to start 2nd half, score is 14-6
4 pass plays 1 run play, 1 first down, punt

next drive, score is 14-13
4 pass plays, 3 and out, punt

3rd drive, score is now 14-20
6 pass plays, 1 designated run, 4 first downs picked up, blocked FG

final drive with 14-20 and still chance to go ahead
5 pass plays, 1 run, 1 first down, punt

where was it being conservative today ? certainly looked like we tried to air it out, but we failed. as usual when we need to air it out after the superbowl of '12

we simply cannot sustain drives by passing the ball. our short passing game is not there. our qb isnt brady or peyton, but rather a somewhat inaccurate laser thrower who gets chunk yardage or nothing. our linemen are big guys who arent great at screen blocking or zone blocking. how exactly do you expect us to get 50 points, especially with a D that doesnt get turnovers and allows scores left and right ?

YES WE WENT CONSERVATIVE TODAY

kap completed 78% of his passes
and the did not stop us at any point when we ran the uptempo spread offense

we were supposed to keep running that the entire game. the only thing they did was try to blitz us and we picked them apart when they did that TOO.

so yes
yes we did go conservative
especially at the end of 2nd quarters when we should try for 7 points or even 3 and we concede the lesser of whatever opportunities we have

we go into the half up 21-3 against the bears and get the ball back and score game over

we go up 21-6 and come out and score game is OVER

OVER OVER OVER

we punched it in against dallas for the 28 points and the game was OVER

Oh my god! The sky is falling! 1-2 feels familiar for some reason

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
completely wrong
the coaches dial it back and go conservative and we count on the defense to just stop people when we shouldn't have ever done that in the first place. it makes games closer than they should be and now it's costing us actual victories.
don't turn the offense off until we get 50 points that is the simple fix.
if we go into a game and try to score 50 the games are completely different.

but they go in wanting to score 17 and when we hit that they turn it off and then try to turn it on.

what exactly is 'go conservative' ? if its running the ball, we certainly weren't very conservative today

since harbaugh got here, we've been winning games off defense and run game. there have been very few exceptions to this general trend. Im not sure how we 'shouldnt have ever done that in the first place', when its the very basis of our success.

I know it may be hard to admit, but we aren't that kind of team that will win airing it out and put 50 in the process. the few times we tried, guess what happens ? 3 and out. 3 and out again.
we're a team that is built on run game and D to sustain long drives and take the ball away from other team. when we start going 'not conservative', that does not happen. most of our big wins over the years came off defense making big takeaways and providing the offense with good field position or scoring themselves.

this year, we start out fast and then other team makes adjustment. we certainly weren't conservative today in the 2nd half

to start 2nd half, score is 14-6
4 pass plays 1 run play, 1 first down, punt

next drive, score is 14-13
4 pass plays, 3 and out, punt

3rd drive, score is now 14-20
6 pass plays, 1 designated run, 4 first downs picked up, blocked FG

final drive with 14-20 and still chance to go ahead
5 pass plays, 1 run, 1 first down, punt

where was it being conservative today ? certainly looked like we tried to air it out, but we failed. as usual when we need to air it out after the superbowl of '12

we simply cannot sustain drives by passing the ball. our short passing game is not there. our qb isnt brady or peyton, but rather a somewhat inaccurate laser thrower who gets chunk yardage or nothing. our linemen are big guys who arent great at screen blocking or zone blocking. how exactly do you expect us to get 50 points, especially with a D that doesnt get turnovers and allows scores left and right ?

The up-tempo, no-huddle, spread them out, short passing game was working to d**n near perfection, and CK was extremely accurate. And while it is a no-huddle, it's NOT a hurry-up, since they were grinding up clock while also scoring TDs. To me that's not really "airing it out", it's just recognizing the running game (outside of CK) wasn't going to be very effective so no need to force-feed it. IMO the 49ers should have stuck with the no-huddle until the Cards showed they could consistently stop it.

And I agree, right now this is not the defense we've seen the past few years, but the 49ers have an offense that should be able to put up 28-30 points, and even with this flawed defense that will most often be enough points to win.

Realistically when the O line gives Kaep time to throw and opens up for the backs. When the D line starts to pressure the other QB. When the offense and especially defense stop all the stupid penalties. When the play calling gets aggressive and the team learns how to finish the game even the FOX announcer pointed that out. After all that is fixed then we can talk about having a successful season.

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
completely wrong
the coaches dial it back and go conservative and we count on the defense to just stop people when we shouldn't have ever done that in the first place. it makes games closer than they should be and now it's costing us actual victories.
don't turn the offense off until we get 50 points that is the simple fix.
if we go into a game and try to score 50 the games are completely different.

but they go in wanting to score 17 and when we hit that they turn it off and then try to turn it on.

what exactly is 'go conservative' ? if its running the ball, we certainly weren't very conservative today

since harbaugh got here, we've been winning games off defense and run game. there have been very few exceptions to this general trend. Im not sure how we 'shouldnt have ever done that in the first place', when its the very basis of our success.

I know it may be hard to admit, but we aren't that kind of team that will win airing it out and put 50 in the process. the few times we tried, guess what happens ? 3 and out. 3 and out again.
we're a team that is built on run game and D to sustain long drives and take the ball away from other team. when we start going 'not conservative', that does not happen. most of our big wins over the years came off defense making big takeaways and providing the offense with good field position or scoring themselves.

this year, we start out fast and then other team makes adjustment. we certainly weren't conservative today in the 2nd half

to start 2nd half, score is 14-6
4 pass plays 1 run play, 1 first down, punt

next drive, score is 14-13
4 pass plays, 3 and out, punt

3rd drive, score is now 14-20
6 pass plays, 1 designated run, 4 first downs picked up, blocked FG

final drive with 14-20 and still chance to go ahead
5 pass plays, 1 run, 1 first down, punt

where was it being conservative today ? certainly looked like we tried to air it out, but we failed. as usual when we need to air it out after the superbowl of '12

we simply cannot sustain drives by passing the ball. our short passing game is not there. our qb isnt brady or peyton, but rather a somewhat inaccurate laser thrower who gets chunk yardage or nothing. our linemen are big guys who arent great at screen blocking or zone blocking. how exactly do you expect us to get 50 points, especially with a D that doesnt get turnovers and allows scores left and right ?

The up-tempo, no-huddle, spread them out, short passing game was working to d**n near perfection, and CK was extremely accurate. And while it is a no-huddle, it's NOT a hurry-up, since they were grinding up clock while also scoring TDs. To me that's not really "airing it out", it's just recognizing the running game (outside of CK) wasn't going to be very effective so no need to force-feed it. IMO the 49ers should have stuck with the no-huddle until the Cards showed they could consistently stop it.

And I agree, right now this is not the defense we've seen the past few years, but the 49ers have an offense that should be able to put up 28-30 points, and even with this flawed defense that will most often be enough points to win.

That's really just finding a coverage you like and exploiting it. But you can't do that all game.

Our best offense comes from run action. Which means we need to have an effective run game. Which means we need to have an effective defense. If we can't hold the opponent, it's very likely our offense will stall out... We're just not built to win high scoring shootouts. We have no real deep threat, so everything is built upon the run game.

Our WRs are such good blockers, I wish Kaep would hit more check downs and underneath routes.

Originally posted by verb1der:

The fall of Harbaugh's regime has begun, whether you like it or not. Time to think about who else is out there. David Shaw?! Brian Billick?! Shanahan?! Gruden?!

Gawd no. Might as well stick with harbaugh and I am done with harbaugh

Originally posted by Raul98:
Realistically when the O line gives Kaep time to throw and opens up for the backs. When the D line starts to pressure the other QB. When the offense and especially defense stop all the stupid penalties. When the play calling gets aggressive and the team learns how to finish the game even the FOX announcer pointed that out. After all that is fixed then we can talk about having a successful season.

gee that's all? lol

Originally posted by verb1der:

The fall of Harbaugh's regime has begun, whether you like it or not. Time to think about who else is out there. David Shaw?! Brian Billick?! Shanahan?! Gruden?!

Could very well be. Discipline is slipping, and our coaches don't seem to be able to counter the adjustments teams make against us in the 2nd half.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Raul98:
Realistically when the O line gives Kaep time to throw and opens up for the backs. When the D line starts to pressure the other QB. When the offense and especially defense stop all the stupid penalties. When the play calling gets aggressive and the team learns how to finish the game even the FOX announcer pointed that out. After all that is fixed then we can talk about having a successful season.

gee that's all? lol

Sadly those are all the things wrong with the team right now and more stuff i didn't even add.

Originally posted by DavidWGibson:

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

The up-tempo, no-huddle, spread them out, short passing game was working to d**n near perfection, and CK was extremely accurate. And while it is a no-huddle, it's NOT a hurry-up, since they were grinding up clock while also scoring TDs. To me that's not really "airing it out", it's just recognizing the running game (outside of CK) wasn't going to be very effective so no need to force-feed it. IMO the 49ers should have stuck with the no-huddle until the Cards showed they could consistently stop it.

And I agree, right now this is not the defense we've seen the past few years, but the 49ers have an offense that should be able to put up 28-30 points, and even with this flawed defense that will most often be enough points to win.

That's really just finding a coverage you like and exploiting it. But you can't do that all game.

Our best offense comes from run action. Which means we need to have an effective run game. Which means we need to have an effective defense. If we can't hold the opponent, it's very likely our offense will stall out... We're just not built to win high scoring shootouts. We have no real deep threat, so everything is built upon the run game.

Our WRs are such good blockers, I wish Kaep would hit more check downs and underneath routes.

Um, no, that's a strategy, a GAMEPLAN to use the no-huddle to hinder substitutions, tire out the defense, and make it harder for them to deal with the 4 and 5-WR sets the Niners were using. And if they don't show they can stop it, then why can't you do it all game?

Play action works best when you can effectively run the ball, and the Niners weren't going to do that today, same as last season when they played @ ARI late in the season and Gore had like 15 yds on 15 carries...so did you just want to see a bunch of 3-and-outs today by being stubborn with the run? The Cards were a Top 3 rush defense last year, maybe even #1...being stubborn with the run in the hopes it opens up play action is more hope than solid gameplan.

And what do you mean hit more underneath routes...what exactly do you think Kaepernick was throwing all game? He was well under 7 yds/att.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by DontSitOnTheHood:

Didn't read your post, but our pass rush is the problem.. K bye.

meh...that can actually be fixed when aldon and bowman come back.

the main issue is with our offensive philosophy

Agree.

Add to that our D philosophy isn't working that well either.

The problem is we had a combined 9 rushing attempts by our running backs, for a total of 23 yards. It seems to happen every year. We try to become a spread offense, it doesnt work, we go back to smash mouth football and we get on a roll. When is A. Davis expected back?