Greg Roman loves him some Gabbert

Originally posted by crake49:
Where did you get the idea that Gabbert was immobile? He ran a 4.6 at the combine and while that isn't in Kaepernick's league, it's certainly not slow for a player as big as Gabbert. Gabbert was a top ten pick because he WAS mobile and had a big arm. He had the second highest passing efficiency rating in Missouri history. His final year at Missouri, he was 301 of 475 for 3186 yards. He had a 63.4% completion percentage with 16 tds, 9 ints, 232 rushing yards and 5 rushing tds. Like Kaepernick, he's also smart - he was an academic all-American. These are the reasons why he was picked at #10. Harbaugh was totally interested in him and now he's got good coaching, a better scheme and a better team. I'm glad he's the backup because worst case scenario, he has to come in and they don't have to cut down on the passing routes because of a noodle arm - dudes got a very strong arm - again, not quite as strong as Kaepernick, but strong enough to make all the throws. He's no Colt McCoy.

That mobility has not translated in the NFL. Gabbert was overhyped coming out of College mainly because he looked the part. His play never warranted such high praise.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Agree Gabbert is not a good QB at the moment, but to say he's immobile and not a good athlete shows you really don't know much about him. He's a very good athlete for a QB, and there is game film and combine results that show it. The question is does he have the QB instincts and toughness to get the most out of his abilities. He's a project at this point.

I never said he wasn't a good athlete. He is just nowhere near the athlete Alex is and was. Not even close and I don't care about the combine. The combine means nothing to me. The Gabbert love is weird.

He has a chance to develop into something eventually, but here's what Football Outsiders had to say after this past season:

The Worst Quarterback of the DVOA Era
That's better. Blaine Gabbert opened the season as the Jacksonville Jaguars starting quarterback, but he was benched after two interceptions, six sacks, and a 28-2 loss to Kansas City in Week 1. He re-entered the lineup for two more games in Weeks 4 and 5, but after five more interceptions and six more sacks, he injured his hamstring and never saw the field again. That left him with 86 pass attempts and 12 sacks, a total of 98 pass plays that came up just short of the minimum 100 needed to qualify for our season tables and record book.

In that minimal playing time, however, Gabbert produced an awful lot of bad football. He finished with -426 DYAR passing and -8 DYAR rushing, a total of -434 DYAR that would put him ahead of (behind?) Brandon Weeden as the worst quarterback of the year. His final passing DVOA was -83.7%. Only two quarterbacks with at least 98 plays have ever been worse than that: Alex Smith as a rookie on a 2005 49ers team that had even less talent than this year's Jaguars (-88.6%), and Craig Krenzel of the 2004 Chicago Bears. (-85.4%). You know that Smith eventually turned his career around, but Krenzel never played again. (The Bears actually went 3-2 in Krenzel's five starts, and he also won a national championship in college. In other words, Craig Krenzel was Tim Tebowbefore Tim Tebow was Tim Tebow.)

When you add this to Gabbert's rookie season (-1,010 passing DYAR, the second-worst season we've ever analyzed) and his 2012 campaign (-268 DYAR), you get a total of -1,704 passing DYAR. That sure sounds bad, but can we put into context? Why yes, yes we can. Before this season, Danny Tuccito looked over the worst quarterbacks on record in total DYAR, and found that the only quarterback worse than Gabbert was Ryan Leaf. Well, forget that. Gabbert has fallen deep below the Leaf pile, and stands alone and undisputed as the Worst Quarterback of the DVOA Era. No high-profile bust of the past 25 years -- not Leaf, not JaMarcus Russell, not Akili Smith nor David Carr nor Joey Harrington -- has ever been this bad. Each of those notoriously bad passers looks down at Blaine Gabbert, likely with disdain, or perhaps pity.

One final kick in the teeth to former Jaguars GM Gene Smith: Gabbert was the tenth overall pick of the 2011 NFL draft. The Jaguars traded up to pick him. J.J. Watt was the eleventh pick. Andy Dalton went to Cincinnati 25 picks later, and with the next pick after that, the San Francisco 49ers took Colin Kaepernick. And that is why Gene Smith got fired.

If gabbert can become serviceable it would be great. I Think Kap was a different qb with Alex on the bench behind him. God forbid Kap goes down but with our running game O line and WR core AND a vicious D I don't think we need brilliant qb play to win a lot of games. Just solid steady ball control stuff.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
All these "accomplishments" Gabbert has since being drafted meanwhile Kap is 4-2 playoffs 3-1 on the road. Jim used a high second round pick on Kap moving up I might add and now a SIXTH on Gabbert. We are truly getting ahead of ourselves here if we believe Gabbert is going to knock off Kap.

Gabbert has never lost a game in the playoffs, one more "accomplishment" . Seriously, though, the Jaguars were the longest shots in the league to win the S.B. every season he started there. 49ers have been a S.B. favorite since Kaepernick has started. PFF just had a little blurb saying he has the best support of any team in the league, and is asked to do the least on his own. Gabbert almost certainly had the least support in the league, what with the Jaguars having record setting injury seasons his first two years there, on top of a flimsy group to begin with. One game his starting tight end (Colin Cloherty) was working in a bank the week before, and the starting guard (Herb Taylor) had been out of football for a couple years after playing in the Arena League. STARTERS. I kid you not. I think he threw to over 30 different receivers his time there. Guys were coming and going every week, most of them off the waiver wire. But Gabbert never complained, and he was the one that had to go in front of the cameras every week to explain the team's performances. Never was surly, never go down. If it's true that the hard times form your character, he's going to be bullet proof from here on out.

Originally posted by ethan:

Gabbert was probably the best player they got out of the draft, if you consider the sixth round pick they traded for him. Although there are some possible 2015 considerations as well. Blaine is the same age as Tom Savage, who the Texans drafted in the fourth round. Faulkner the QB the 9ers signed turns 24 shortly as well. Kaleb Ramsey, who they drafted in the seventh round is actually older than Gabbert by a few months. So it isn't a huge stretch to consider him part of this draft.

Nolan Nawrocki who does the scouting reports and rankings for the NFL previously worked for Pro Football Weekly, and still uses the same numerical grades. In 2011 he rated Gabbert at 6.35, the top rated QB that year, and 9th overall on his list. This year, he gave Blake Bortles, the top rated QB, a 6.22 grade, 17th overall.
Gabbert would have been the #10 ranked player on this year's list, between Justin Gilbert and Aaron Donald. Gilbert went #8 and Donald #13 in the actual draft. Plus he has NFL starting experience under the toughest conditions imaginable. Worst case scenario stuff from the day he arrived in Jacksonville.

We'll see how he does in this offense. First preseason game is against John Harbaugh and the Ravens. If there is a defense that has given Jim problems it's his brothers defense. If Blaine can make inroads and be productive against the Baltimore D, I'll consider myself impressed. Till then, it's all theory.

Originally posted by matthewabbit:
If gabbert can become serviceable it would be great. I Think Kap was a different qb with Alex on the bench behind him. God forbid Kap goes down but with our running game O line and WR core AND a vicious D I don't think we need brilliant qb play to win a lot of games. Just solid steady ball control stuff.

The team had a better record with Smith at quarterback during the Harbaugh era. He and Kaepernick have split the three years right down the middle and Alex has a better winning percentage and passer rating over that time.

Originally posted by Disp:

He has a chance to develop into something eventually, but here's what Football Outsiders had to say after this past season:

The Worst Quarterback of the DVOA Era
That's better. Blaine Gabbert opened the season as the Jacksonville Jaguars starting quarterback, but he was benched after two interceptions, six sacks, and a 28-2 loss to Kansas City in Week 1. He re-entered the lineup for two more games in Weeks 4 and 5, but after five more interceptions and six more sacks, he injured his hamstring and never saw the field again. That left him with 86 pass attempts and 12 sacks, a total of 98 pass plays that came up just short of the minimum 100 needed to qualify for our season tables and record book.

In that minimal playing time, however, Gabbert produced an awful lot of bad football. He finished with -426 DYAR passing and -8 DYAR rushing, a total of -434 DYAR that would put him ahead of (behind?) Brandon Weeden as the worst quarterback of the year. His final passing DVOA was -83.7%. Only two quarterbacks with at least 98 plays have ever been worse than that: Alex Smith as a rookie on a 2005 49ers team that had even less talent than this year's Jaguars (-88.6%), and Craig Krenzel of the 2004 Chicago Bears. (-85.4%). You know that Smith eventually turned his career around, but Krenzel never played again. (The Bears actually went 3-2 in Krenzel's five starts, and he also won a national championship in college. In other words, Craig Krenzel was Tim Tebowbefore Tim Tebow was Tim Tebow.)

When you add this to Gabbert's rookie season (-1,010 passing DYAR, the second-worst season we've ever analyzed) and his 2012 campaign (-268 DYAR), you get a total of -1,704 passing DYAR. That sure sounds bad, but can we put into context? Why yes, yes we can. Before this season, Danny Tuccito looked over the worst quarterbacks on record in total DYAR, and found that the only quarterback worse than Gabbert was Ryan Leaf. Well, forget that. Gabbert has fallen deep below the Leaf pile, and stands alone and undisputed as the Worst Quarterback of the DVOA Era. No high-profile bust of the past 25 years -- not Leaf, not JaMarcus Russell, not Akili Smith nor David Carr nor Joey Harrington -- has ever been this bad. Each of those notoriously bad passers looks down at Blaine Gabbert, likely with disdain, or perhaps pity.

One final kick in the teeth to former Jaguars GM Gene Smith: Gabbert was the tenth overall pick of the 2011 NFL draft. The Jaguars traded up to pick him. J.J. Watt was the eleventh pick. Andy Dalton went to Cincinnati 25 picks later, and with the next pick after that, the San Francisco 49ers took Colin Kaepernick. And that is why Gene Smith got fired.

So, either Harbaugh and Baalke don't subscribe to Football Outsiders or else they know less about qb's than FO. Or could there be another explanation. Interestingly, the strength or otherwise of the rest of the team playing with these qb's doesn't get a mention. A one dimensional assessment.

Originally posted by ethan:

Originally posted by matthewabbit:

If gabbert can become serviceable it would be great. I Think Kap was a different qb with Alex on the bench behind him. God forbid Kap goes down but with our running game O line and WR core AND a vicious D I don't think we need brilliant qb play to win a lot of games. Just solid steady ball control stuff.

The team had a better record with Smith at quarterback during the Harbaugh era. He and Kaepernick have split the three years right down the middle and Alex has a better winning percentage and passer rating over that time.

That's not true

Originally posted by Disp:
He has a chance to develop into something eventually, but here's what Football Outsiders had to say after this past season:

The Worst Quarterback of the DVOA Era
That's better. Blaine Gabbert opened the season as the Jacksonville Jaguars starting quarterback, but he was benched after two interceptions, six sacks, and a 28-2 loss to Kansas City in Week 1. He re-entered the lineup for two more games in Weeks 4 and 5, but after five more interceptions and six more sacks, he injured his hamstring and never saw the field again. That left him with 86 pass attempts and 12 sacks, a total of 98 pass plays that came up just short of the minimum 100 needed to qualify for our season tables and record book.

In that minimal playing time, however, Gabbert produced an awful lot of bad football. He finished with -426 DYAR passing and -8 DYAR rushing, a total of -434 DYAR that would put him ahead of (behind?) Brandon Weeden as the worst quarterback of the year. His final passing DVOA was -83.7%. Only two quarterbacks with at least 98 plays have ever been worse than that: Alex Smith as a rookie on a 2005 49ers team that had even less talent than this year's Jaguars (-88.6%), and Craig Krenzel of the 2004 Chicago Bears. (-85.4%). You know that Smith eventually turned his career around, but Krenzel never played again. (The Bears actually went 3-2 in Krenzel's five starts, and he also won a national championship in college. In other words, Craig Krenzel was Tim Tebowbefore Tim Tebow was Tim Tebow.)

When you add this to Gabbert's rookie season (-1,010 passing DYAR, the second-worst season we've ever analyzed) and his 2012 campaign (-268 DYAR), you get a total of -1,704 passing DYAR. That sure sounds bad, but can we put into context? Why yes, yes we can. Before this season, Danny Tuccito looked over the worst quarterbacks on record in total DYAR, and found that the only quarterback worse than Gabbert was Ryan Leaf. Well, forget that. Gabbert has fallen deep below the Leaf pile, and stands alone and undisputed as the Worst Quarterback of the DVOA Era. No high-profile bust of the past 25 years -- not Leaf, not JaMarcus Russell, not Akili Smith nor David Carr nor Joey Harrington -- has ever been this bad. Each of those notoriously bad passers looks down at Blaine Gabbert, likely with disdain, or perhaps pity.

One final kick in the teeth to former Jaguars GM Gene Smith: Gabbert was the tenth overall pick of the 2011 NFL draft. The Jaguars traded up to pick him. J.J. Watt was the eleventh pick. Andy Dalton went to Cincinnati 25 picks later, and with the next pick after that, the San Francisco 49ers took Colin Kaepernick. And that is why Gene Smith got fired.

For starters, Gabbert wasn't "benched" after week 1, he had a 20 stitch cut on his throwing hand. If these clowns can't even get their first statement right, they have 0 credibility. They didn't bother to mention that Gabbert couldn't throw through the off season due to nerve damage in his forearm that ended his 2012 season prematurely. That he played the 2012 season with a torn labrum in his left shoulder (the same injury that had "tough guy" Jake Locker on the bench for half the season). He had surgery to deal with the shoulder, but had to let the nerve heal on it's own. Then he broke the thumb of his throwing hand in training camp. Only got to play 20% of the pre season, while dealing with another new offense and new teammates and coaching staff. STILL beat out Chad Henne for the starting job. Even though he was on the injury list with the broken thumb at the time. These NUMBER NERDS can go back to getting fat on stale pizza and warm soft drinks. Their drivel is as worthless as they are.

The write ups on Gabbert are very reminiscent of the write ups here and elsewhere on that huge bust Alex Smith.

That doesn't mean Gabbert will turn out the same. But maybe a few minds should be a little more open.

Originally posted by English:
So, either Harbaugh and Baalke don't subscribe to Football Outsiders or else they know less about qb's than FO. Or could there be another explanation. Interestingly, the strength or otherwise of the rest of the team playing with these qb's doesn't get a mention. A one dimensional assessment.

Yeah, number dorks never see the light of day. Or see the light period.

Originally posted by English:
So, either Harbaugh and Baalke don't subscribe to Football Outsiders or else they know less about qb's than FO. Or could there be another explanation. Interestingly, the strength or otherwise of the rest of the team playing with these qb's doesn't get a mention. A one dimensional assessment.

I think it was a low risk chance with them hoping they can salvage what potential he had coming out of high school and college. The reality is they probably didn't make the move based off his NFL game film.

Originally posted by WeDidIt:
That mobility has not translated in the NFL. Gabbert was overhyped coming out of College mainly because he looked the part. His play never warranted such high praise.

Well, he had a better winning record and completion percentage than Kaepernick in college. Playing in a much tougher conference. Beat Kap one sidedly the only time they met in college.

It is cool Gabbert is doing well but in 3 years time Kap is 4-2 playoffs 3-1 on the road and an NFC champion! Gabbert has quite a bit of catching up to do before he unseats Kap. Not to mention winning over the locker room