The Right Head Coach Can Lead to an Immediate Turnaround

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
What this franchise needs more than anything is some strong football minds in the front office to make the decisions. But that is asking for too much. The Yorks will never go for that. As far as the coach goes, there is no guarantee Nolentary will be fired. This is the same ownership that kept Nolan after that disastrous '07 season. They'll either keep Nolentary or hire another cheap dumbass who impresses them in the interview.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
I realize after reviewing my thread that this doesn't really leave room for very much discussion. So do you guys think that merely picking the right head coach is enough? Or do we need a substantial roster purge to help get rid of the "losing culture." What characteristics should we look for in a head coach that fits well woth the players we have.

I don't want specific names, that can go in other threads dedicated to this topic.

Well, it probably would. We seem to have talent, but aren't using them in the right way. This seemed obvious to me today. I had posted earlier this week that this game would show what our team really is going to be this year. It's not good.

Yeah I think it's a HC. We're more talented than the chiefs but we were outcoached really badly and it showed. Sing doesn't know how to coach a game, and Raye doesn't know wtf he's doing, they're wasting our talent, and Manusky can't stop a screen pass. Gruden took teams in TB that didn't have franchise QBs to the playoffs, he was an offensive guru. Same with Shanahan in Denver after Elway left. Reid didn't have the most talented WRs for McNabb but he made sure he used what he did efficiently by getting creative with Westbrook and their TEs. Sean Payton immediately turned around the Saints, even though nobody thought Brees was as good as he is now when he played for Marty Schottenheimer in SD. Belichik routinely has turnover as far as coordinators and front office people goes but he keeps that team running well because he knows what he's doing. Part of it is X's and O's, the other part is just common sense and knowing what to do and being flexible. Sing is just another Mike Nolan, except he can't even coordinate his defense. Basically there's an it factor for coaches too and Sing just doesn't have it.

I agree. A very important characteristic of consistently winning head coaches is their ability to understand and mask their team's weaknesses. No team in this era is going to be perfect. Yet all the good teams know how to do this and remain successful.

Originally posted by wolfpack52:
The OL cant stop 4 rushers.....

V Davis and P Willis got there extensions and di commercials so and they both seem worse then last year. Both are playing very soft.

Goldston who spend the offseason trying to get a new deal is playing terrible....Is Roman still available?

Franklin sat out all preseason and it shows... He seems gassed and doesnt have that great push like last year.

Crabtree was "injured" all preseason and now has no chemistry with Alex.

TKO who looked like he was ready to have another really good year got injured.

Ginn who is the answer to the returner problem is also injured

Yeah blame Dingleberry and the Senior Citizen Raye

Yeah and why can't 3 first round draft picks stop a 4 man or 3 man rush? Because of coaching. Who piked out the coaches? Singletary.

Every team has injuries, so that's hardly a legit excuse. If you read my post, you would know about the numerous examples of coaches turning around very limited teams in a very short time. Why shouldn't Singletary be held to that same standard?

Willis, bigmike(BM) and JR are losers. They got the team to this point and don't have the requisite skills to go farther. Today's disaster is the 3rd straight game in 3 played where bm got terribly outcoached. And face it, JR is just his tool. I expect a players revolt, with either MJ or alex or both calling the plays. BM can't find his azz with his elbow, and jr is his handmaiden. Their playcalling in NO game was terrific, so we know they can do it. The problem...BM is too damn stubborn to do it like he did in NO, when the little things good coaches stress, bad hikes, fumbled punts, hanging onto ball, 10 men on field...all those beat us. Overall BM had a good game plan, but today he reverted to what he likes and does best...frank right, frank left. And with no imagination, throwing in a pass when it should be a run, they could stop our running attack all day long. this was the one most pitiful exposure of a guy, a HC and his OC, who just don't get it...even tho they know better.

P52 knows, alex knows, vd knows, craps knows...except that isn't the way BM wants it. i think the players named above will be visiting BM and asking him what the hell he thinks he is doing, and then going to jed and asking for gruden. BM is BM. He ain't a pro football coach, no matter how good a LB he was.

the deal about not practicing defending the screen, when every single fan knew KC would run the screen, time after time....is just inexcusable...yet BM did nothing to improve our crappy performance against it. Wow, just wow. that is a guy in over his head, drowning, and having no idea what he is doing out in the deep water. He's done. I just hope it happens soon. What? you really mean to tell me Gruden couldn't do better? BS.

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
I realize after reviewing my thread that this doesn't really leave room for very much discussion. So do you guys think that merely picking the right head coach is enough? Or do we need a substantial roster purge to help get rid of the "losing culture." What characteristics should we look for in a head coach that fits well woth the players we have.

I don't want specific names, that can go in other threads dedicated to this topic.

Well, it probably would. We seem to have talent, but aren't using them in the right way. This seemed obvious to me today. I had posted earlier this week that this game would show what our team really is going to be this year. It's not good.

Yeah I think it's a HC. We're more talented than the chiefs but we were outcoached really badly and it showed. Sing doesn't know how to coach a game, and Raye doesn't know wtf he's doing, they're wasting our talent, and Manusky can't stop a screen pass. Gruden took teams in TB that didn't have franchise QBs to the playoffs, he was an offensive guru. Same with Shanahan in Denver after Elway left. Reid didn't have the most talented WRs for McNabb but he made sure he used what he did efficiently by getting creative with Westbrook and their TEs. Sean Payton immediately turned around the Saints, even though nobody thought Brees was as good as he is now when he played for Marty Schottenheimer in SD. Belichik routinely has turnover as far as coordinators and front office people goes but he keeps that team running well because he knows what he's doing. Part of it is X's and O's, the other part is just common sense and knowing what to do and being flexible. Sing is just another Mike Nolan, except he can't even coordinate his defense. Basically there's an it factor for coaches too and Sing just doesn't have it.

I agree. A very important characteristic of consistently winning head coaches is their ability to understand and mask their team's weaknesses. No team in this era is going to be perfect. Yet all the good teams know how to do this and remain successful.

Exactly. JUst look at the team we played today. They knew we were tough up the middle but if you attack the edge where we have a slow LB they can get yards. So they ran to the side where Manny wasn't and gashed us. Then they spread our D out and went with more up the middle. Then we were playing everyone closer to the LOS and they started going deep. They knew Cassel was going to need help to beat us so they drew up like the play with the end around and then the flea flicker or whatever. When we use a trick play we just bust it out for no reason, like the flea flicker with Crab down field and it killed our drive or whatever. Then on defense they just stuffed the middle and they knew when we were going to pass. The Chiefs aren't that talented just really well coached.

It's just frustrating. I miss Garcia and Mooch. Jeff didn't have the strongest arm but he got us wins.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Willis, bigmike(BM) and JR are losers. They got the team to this point and don't have the requisite skills to go farther. Today's disaster is the 3rd straight game in 3 played where bm got terribly outcoached. And face it, JR is just his tool. I expect a players revolt, with either MJ or alex or both calling the plays. BM can't find his azz with his elbow, and jr is his handmaiden. Their playcalling in NO game was terrific, so we know they can do it. The problem...BM is too damn stubborn to do it like he did in NO, when the little things good coaches stress, bad hikes, fumbled punts, hanging onto ball, 10 men on field...all those beat us. Overall BM had a good game plan, but today he reverted to what he likes and does best...frank right, frank left. And with no imagination, throwing in a pass when it should be a run, they could stop our running attack all day long. this was the one most pitiful exposure of a guy, a HC and his OC, who just don't get it...even tho they know better.

P52 knows, alex knows, vd knows, craps knows...except that isn't the way BM wants it. i think the players named above will be visiting BM and asking him what the hell he thinks he is doing, and then going to jed and asking for gruden. BM is BM. He ain't a pro football coach, no matter how good a LB he was.

the deal about not practicing defending the screen, when every single fan knew KC would run the screen, time after time....is just inexcusable...yet BM did nothing to improve our crappy performance against it. Wow, just wow. that is a guy in over his head, drowning, and having no idea what he is doing out in the deep water. He's done. I just hope it happens soon. What? you really mean to tell me Gruden couldn't do better? BS.

Ugh, I think Mike Johnson could do better. He already knows the play calling is terrible, he was likely the guy who talked to Yahoo and he was telling Smith to just hang in there. The problem is if we ever even get rid of Raye, Sing will stick with him so long our season will already be flushed down the friggin toilet. We have weapons dangit!!

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
I realize after reviewing my thread that this doesn't really leave room for very much discussion. So do you guys think that merely picking the right head coach is enough? Or do we need a substantial roster purge to help get rid of the "losing culture." What characteristics should we look for in a head coach that fits well woth the players we have.

I don't want specific names, that can go in other threads dedicated to this topic.

Well, it probably would. We seem to have talent, but aren't using them in the right way. This seemed obvious to me today. I had posted earlier this week that this game would show what our team really is going to be this year. It's not good.

Yeah I think it's a HC. We're more talented than the chiefs but we were outcoached really badly and it showed. Sing doesn't know how to coach a game, and Raye doesn't know wtf he's doing, they're wasting our talent, and Manusky can't stop a screen pass. Gruden took teams in TB that didn't have franchise QBs to the playoffs, he was an offensive guru. Same with Shanahan in Denver after Elway left. Reid didn't have the most talented WRs for McNabb but he made sure he used what he did efficiently by getting creative with Westbrook and their TEs. Sean Payton immediately turned around the Saints, even though nobody thought Brees was as good as he is now when he played for Marty Schottenheimer in SD. Belichik routinely has turnover as far as coordinators and front office people goes but he keeps that team running well because he knows what he's doing. Part of it is X's and O's, the other part is just common sense and knowing what to do and being flexible. Sing is just another Mike Nolan, except he can't even coordinate his defense. Basically there's an it factor for coaches too and Sing just doesn't have it.

I agree. A very important characteristic of consistently winning head coaches is their ability to understand and mask their team's weaknesses. No team in this era is going to be perfect. Yet all the good teams know how to do this and remain successful.

Exactly. JUst look at the team we played today. They knew we were tough up the middle but if you attack the edge where we have a slow LB they can get yards. So they ran to the side where Manny wasn't and gashed us. Then they spread our D out and went with more up the middle. Then we were playing everyone closer to the LOS and they started going deep. They knew Cassel was going to need help to beat us so they drew up like the play with the end around and then the flea flicker or whatever. When we use a trick play we just bust it out for no reason, like the flea flicker with Crab down field and it killed our drive or whatever. Then on defense they just stuffed the middle and they knew when we were going to pass. The Chiefs aren't that talented just really well coached.

It's just frustrating. I miss Garcia and Mooch. Jeff didn't have the strongest arm but he got us wins.

Yep. The Chiefs are hardly a well rounded team. They have problems at offensive line, have trouble rushing the passer, have an inexperienced secondary, yet are able to cover up their deficiencies and attack their opponents weaknesses. Football is a chess match, and we always get outclassed.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Willis, bigmike(BM) and JR are losers. They got the team to this point and don't have the requisite skills to go farther. Today's disaster is the 3rd straight game in 3 played where bm got terribly outcoached. And face it, JR is just his tool. I expect a players revolt, with either MJ or alex or both calling the plays. BM can't find his azz with his elbow, and jr is his handmaiden. Their playcalling in NO game was terrific, so we know they can do it. The problem...BM is too damn stubborn to do it like he did in NO, when the little things good coaches stress, bad hikes, fumbled punts, hanging onto ball, 10 men on field...all those beat us. Overall BM had a good game plan, but today he reverted to what he likes and does best...frank right, frank left. And with no imagination, throwing in a pass when it should be a run, they could stop our running attack all day long. this was the one most pitiful exposure of a guy, a HC and his OC, who just don't get it...even tho they know better.

P52 knows, alex knows, vd knows, craps knows...except that isn't the way BM wants it. i think the players named above will be visiting BM and asking him what the hell he thinks he is doing, and then going to jed and asking for gruden. BM is BM. He ain't a pro football coach, no matter how good a LB he was.

the deal about not practicing defending the screen, when every single fan knew KC would run the screen, time after time....is just inexcusable...yet BM did nothing to improve our crappy performance against it. Wow, just wow. that is a guy in over his head, drowning, and having no idea what he is doing out in the deep water. He's done. I just hope it happens soon. What? you really mean to tell me Gruden couldn't do better? BS.

wait how is Willis a loser?

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
I realize after reviewing my thread that this doesn't really leave room for very much discussion. So do you guys think that merely picking the right head coach is enough? Or do we need a substantial roster purge to help get rid of the "losing culture." What characteristics should we look for in a head coach that fits well woth the players we have.

I don't want specific names, that can go in other threads dedicated to this topic.

Well, it probably would. We seem to have talent, but aren't using them in the right way. This seemed obvious to me today. I had posted earlier this week that this game would show what our team really is going to be this year. It's not good.

Yeah I think it's a HC. We're more talented than the chiefs but we were outcoached really badly and it showed. Sing doesn't know how to coach a game, and Raye doesn't know wtf he's doing, they're wasting our talent, and Manusky can't stop a screen pass. Gruden took teams in TB that didn't have franchise QBs to the playoffs, he was an offensive guru. Same with Shanahan in Denver after Elway left. Reid didn't have the most talented WRs for McNabb but he made sure he used what he did efficiently by getting creative with Westbrook and their TEs. Sean Payton immediately turned around the Saints, even though nobody thought Brees was as good as he is now when he played for Marty Schottenheimer in SD. Belichik routinely has turnover as far as coordinators and front office people goes but he keeps that team running well because he knows what he's doing. Part of it is X's and O's, the other part is just common sense and knowing what to do and being flexible. Sing is just another Mike Nolan, except he can't even coordinate his defense. Basically there's an it factor for coaches too and Sing just doesn't have it.

I agree. A very important characteristic of consistently winning head coaches is their ability to understand and mask their team's weaknesses. No team in this era is going to be perfect. Yet all the good teams know how to do this and remain successful.

Exactly. JUst look at the team we played today. They knew we were tough up the middle but if you attack the edge where we have a slow LB they can get yards. So they ran to the side where Manny wasn't and gashed us. Then they spread our D out and went with more up the middle. Then we were playing everyone closer to the LOS and they started going deep. They knew Cassel was going to need help to beat us so they drew up like the play with the end around and then the flea flicker or whatever. When we use a trick play we just bust it out for no reason, like the flea flicker with Crab down field and it killed our drive or whatever. Then on defense they just stuffed the middle and they knew when we were going to pass. The Chiefs aren't that talented just really well coached.

It's just frustrating. I miss Garcia and Mooch. Jeff didn't have the strongest arm but he got us wins.

Yep. The Chiefs are hardly a well rounded team. They have problems at offensive line, have trouble rushing the passer, have an inexperienced secondary, yet are able to cover up their deficiencies and attack their opponents weaknesses. Football is a chess match, and we always get outclassed.

Football is a chess match! Sing thinks its checkers... or maybe sumo wrestling. Square pegs, round holes and big f**king hammers.

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It's just frustrating. I miss Garcia and Mooch. Jeff didn't have the strongest arm but he got us wins

Garcia had a ton of heart....he was a scrapper and a gamer. Grade C talent, but Grade A heart and will to win.

Letting him go (in retrospect), was just as bad as letting go on TO, and getting rid of Mooch.

All those people we cut loose....they were the last link to the winning legacy. So sad.

After seeing this game, I don't know how you blame Alex Smith. The problems are with the playcalling. How the hell is Smith supposed to do anything when a whole bunch of sideways passes to the running back are being called?

Smith has shown that when he needs to, he can lead a drive that combines passing and running. But the game plan today was so hesitant and non-aggressive, it can't be Smith's fault.

Smith is not perfect at all. Many of his throws are not on target but today was not his fault. His offensive line and offensive coordinator both failed him.

Willis, i don't know how you came up with p52 as a loser. He knows BM stinks. he knows JR is a fake. And bet your life he is Pi**ed. The guy is fantastic and has to have a doodoo as a HC, who can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Willis, i don't know how you came up with p52 as a loser. He knows BM stinks. he knows JR is a fake. And bet your life he is Pi**ed. The guy is fantastic and has to have a doodoo as a HC, who can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

you said "Willis, bigmike and JR are losers."

I'm guessing that was a typo?

Willis was pretty nonexistent out there today....he failed to put any kind of stamp on the game.

Originally posted by Apone:
Gruden. Super Bowl winning coach, knows the west coast offense, started his coaching career here. likes the bay area.

ties to the walsh family tree, HECK YES bring on chucky