Alex Smith Observation.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by jrg:
This week.

Alex Smith.

FTW.

GO 49ERS!

The sad part is that come next year (or maybe even later this year), someone will come in and replace Smith, have considerable amount of success.....and instead of you guys crediting him for that success, you will use it to defens Smith by saying that the playbook was adjusted to said QB's strengths, that the receivers finally decided to get open and catch, and that the oline just happened (coincidentally) to gel at the same time that said QB took over.

As sad as it is, some people will never get over Smith...and will continue to defend him and say that given the same circumstances for the new QB, Alex would have done the same.

What they wont acknowledge, however, is that a good QB GETS his balls to the open receiver (receivers involved), puts it in the right spot so that his receivers can catch it, forces the defense to play the pass (thus allowing the oline to give him time to throw), and makes his coaches look good even when the plays called down to him are bad.

All these "negatives" (from an offensive perspective) can be offset with good QB play, but leave it to Smith's supporters to claim that everything just coincidentally was fixed after Smith was replaced.

It's sad really. There are fans in Detroit who think Joey H never got a fair deal and fans in Houston who think Carr was ruined by the Texans.

Point is you never know. It's not honest to say Alex would have never been good had he been put in more ideal circumstances from the get go (see Rodgers, Aaron). He sucks and that's that.

My primary concern is that I hope the organization learned from it's mistakes and does the right thing with the next QB. Just like Detroit. And just like the Texans.

Shaub came to the same Texan team and lit it up. Stafford is looking like a QB. Guys like Harrington, Carr, Smith, they just dont have what it takes, regardless of the situation. Bradfords situation looked pretty bad but their 2-2 and Michael Clayton is looking like an all-pro.

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by jrg:
This week.

Alex Smith.

FTW.

GO 49ERS!

The sad part is that come next year (or maybe even later this year), someone will come in and replace Smith, have considerable amount of success.....and instead of you guys crediting him for that success, you will use it to defens Smith by saying that the playbook was adjusted to said QB's strengths, that the receivers finally decided to get open and catch, and that the oline just happened (coincidentally) to gel at the same time that said QB took over.

As sad as it is, some people will never get over Smith...and will continue to defend him and say that given the same circumstances for the new QB, Alex would have done the same.

What they wont acknowledge, however, is that a good QB GETS his balls to the open receiver (receivers involved), puts it in the right spot so that his receivers can catch it, forces the defense to play the pass (thus allowing the oline to give him time to throw), and makes his coaches look good even when the plays called down to him are bad.

All these "negatives" (from an offensive perspective) can be offset with good QB play, but leave it to Smith's supporters to claim that everything just coincidentally was fixed after Smith was replaced.

It's sad really. There are fans in Detroit who think Joey H never got a fair deal and fans in Houston who think Carr was ruined by the Texans.

Point is you never know. It's not honest to say Alex would have never been good had he been put in more ideal circumstances from the get go (see Rodgers, Aaron). He sucks and that's that.

My primary concern is that I hope the organization learned from it's mistakes and does the right thing with the next QB. Just like Detroit. And just like the Texans.

Shaub came to the same Texan team and lit it up. Stafford is looking like a QB. Guys like Harrington, Carr, Smith, they just dont have what it takes, regardless of the situation. Bradfords situation looked pretty bad but their 2-2 and Michael Clayton is looking like an all-pro.

Mark??

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by jrg:
This week.

Alex Smith.

FTW.

GO 49ERS!

The sad part is that come next year (or maybe even later this year), someone will come in and replace Smith, have considerable amount of success.....and instead of you guys crediting him for that success, you will use it to defens Smith by saying that the playbook was adjusted to said QB's strengths, that the receivers finally decided to get open and catch, and that the oline just happened (coincidentally) to gel at the same time that said QB took over.

As sad as it is, some people will never get over Smith...and will continue to defend him and say that given the same circumstances for the new QB, Alex would have done the same.

What they wont acknowledge, however, is that a good QB GETS his balls to the open receiver (receivers involved), puts it in the right spot so that his receivers can catch it, forces the defense to play the pass (thus allowing the oline to give him time to throw), and makes his coaches look good even when the plays called down to him are bad.

All these "negatives" (from an offensive perspective) can be offset with good QB play, but leave it to Smith's supporters to claim that everything just coincidentally was fixed after Smith was replaced.

It's sad really. There are fans in Detroit who think Joey H never got a fair deal and fans in Houston who think Carr was ruined by the Texans.

Point is you never know. It's not honest to say Alex would have never been good had he been put in more ideal circumstances from the get go (see Rodgers, Aaron). He sucks and that's that.

My primary concern is that I hope the organization learned from it's mistakes and does the right thing with the next QB. Just like Detroit. And just like the Texans.

Shaub came to the same Texan team and lit it up. Stafford is looking like a QB. Guys like Harrington, Carr, Smith, they just dont have what it takes, regardless of the situation. Bradfords situation looked pretty bad but their 2-2 and Michael Clayton is looking like an all-pro.

Mark??

Exactly his point.

Originally posted by Osfler:
Antonio Bryant, Jerry Rice, and now Crabtree with 99% of all nfl fans see that Alex Smith just sucks.

Since Alex Smith was drafted the 49ers have never signed or drafted someone that can come in here and compete with the kid.

Rattay, Dilfer, JTO, Hill: these guys were signed to be backups. they were not pro-bowl players. or Veterans signed to come in and compete for the starting job. most of these guys were probably out of the NFL if the 49ers didn't sign them.

no one on this list was an NFL legit starter for any other team at that time.
these guys were 3rd stringers for any other NFL team.. Hill and JTO were just that..

these guys did a good job as an NFL backup. almost to good.. made the #1 pick look bad.. really bad.. and sometimes took the starter roll from him.. and season after season McNolan would try and save there asses by cutting these ok backups the second they struggled.

i think what bothers most of us.. this team is talented.. really talented. but the bad QB play with the combination of bad coaching is just not worth watching or going to an NFL game.

we are the 1990's rams/saints/cardinals/raiders

that video makes me depressed that our last two HC's were defensive coaches and rookie head coaches. How about a offensive mind that has been an NFL HC before?

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by LeadFarmer:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by jrg:
This week.

Alex Smith.

FTW.

GO 49ERS!

The sad part is that come next year (or maybe even later this year), someone will come in and replace Smith, have considerable amount of success.....and instead of you guys crediting him for that success, you will use it to defens Smith by saying that the playbook was adjusted to said QB's strengths, that the receivers finally decided to get open and catch, and that the oline just happened (coincidentally) to gel at the same time that said QB took over.

As sad as it is, some people will never get over Smith...and will continue to defend him and say that given the same circumstances for the new QB, Alex would have done the same.

What they wont acknowledge, however, is that a good QB GETS his balls to the open receiver (receivers involved), puts it in the right spot so that his receivers can catch it, forces the defense to play the pass (thus allowing the oline to give him time to throw), and makes his coaches look good even when the plays called down to him are bad.

All these "negatives" (from an offensive perspective) can be offset with good QB play, but leave it to Smith's supporters to claim that everything just coincidentally was fixed after Smith was replaced.

It's sad really. There are fans in Detroit who think Joey H never got a fair deal and fans in Houston who think Carr was ruined by the Texans.

Point is you never know. It's not honest to say Alex would have never been good had he been put in more ideal circumstances from the get go (see Rodgers, Aaron). He sucks and that's that.

My primary concern is that I hope the organization learned from it's mistakes and does the right thing with the next QB. Just like Detroit. And just like the Texans.

Shaub came to the same Texan team and lit it up. Stafford is looking like a QB. Guys like Harrington, Carr, Smith, they just dont have what it takes, regardless of the situation. Bradfords situation looked pretty bad but their 2-2 and Michael Clayton is looking like an all-pro.

Mark??

Exactly his point.

The sad truth about Alex Smith that Jerry, Steve, and many other critics pointed out was that Alex was nothing more than a gimmick QB coming out of Utah. Smith came out of an offensive system under Urban Meyer that wouldn't cut it one day in the NFL. (Take a look at Tim Tebow, another Urban Meyer QB that isn't even cutting it as a #2 QB right now.)

Alex was in an offense built off of intangible appendages, i.e. Smith was never meant to be in a situation where the game was on his shoulders, cause Urban Meyer surrounded Smith with (recruited) talent to run a multi-dimensional spread scheme built off of trick plays, scrambles, draws, and screens (no down-field aggressiveness).

After this season Alex should retire from the NFL and get into his true 'possible' calling, which is either fiances or NFL coaching.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
The sad truth about Alex Smith that Jerry, Steve, and many other critics pointed out was that Alex was nothing more than a gimmick QB coming out of Utah. Smith came out of an offensive system under Urban Meyer that wouldn't cut it one day in the NFL. (Take a look at Tim Tebow, another Urban Meyer QB that isn't even cutting it as a #2 QB right now.)

Alex was in an offense built off of intangible appendages, i.e. Smith was never meant to be in a situation where the game was on his shoulders, cause Urban Meyer surrounded Smith with (recruited) talent to run a multi-dimensional spread scheme built off of trick plays, scrambles, draws, and screens (no down-field aggressiveness).

After this season Alex should retire from the NFL and get into his true 'possible' calling, which is either fiances or NFL coaching.

Nah I'd rather him be traded to another team and fail there. Then maybe all these Smith lovers would finally see what we are seeing.

One thing is for sure, it ain't the OL. Smith's sacks numbers by game

SEA: 2
NO: 0
KC: 5
ATL: 1

Aside from one terrible game, I wouldn't exactly call that bad OL play. He's had very good blocking for most parts of games. What do you guys expect? 0 sacks up to now?

Excuses keep getting debunked.

small hands = high passes

Originally posted by znk916:
small hands = high passes

makes his dick look bigger than it really is when he holds it though

Originally posted by Joecool:
One thing is for sure, it ain't the OL. Smith's sacks numbers by game

SEA: 2
NO: 0
KC: 5
ATL: 1

Aside from one terrible game, I wouldn't exactly call that bad OL play. He's had very good blocking for most parts of games. What do you guys expect? 0 sacks up to now?

Excuses keep getting debunked.

where are the QB hurries stats?

you need better debunking skills, yo.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Joecool:
One thing is for sure, it ain't the OL. Smith's sacks numbers by game

SEA: 2
NO: 0
KC: 5
ATL: 1

Aside from one terrible game, I wouldn't exactly call that bad OL play. He's had very good blocking for most parts of games. What do you guys expect? 0 sacks up to now?

Excuses keep getting debunked.

where are the QB hurries stats?

you need better debunking skills, yo.

pfff...like you would count the "holding the ball too long" stats, yo.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Joecool:
One thing is for sure, it ain't the OL. Smith's sacks numbers by game

SEA: 2
NO: 0
KC: 5
ATL: 1

Aside from one terrible game, I wouldn't exactly call that bad OL play. He's had very good blocking for most parts of games. What do you guys expect? 0 sacks up to now?

Excuses keep getting debunked.

where are the QB hurries stats?

you need better debunking skills, yo.

You're right but we all have watched the games and have seen him roll out to the right at least three times when the protection was perfect.

All I'm saying is that he's getting more time to pass than in prior years and our pass blocking appears to be on par with the NFL mean. Not great but it isn't terrible either. However, it is damn good enough to not put the entire blame on.

Look at the KC game: an offense WANTS the defense to be forced to blitz because it means there's man coverage somewhere. Alex just can't muster up the courage to make the throw and when he does try to make tight throws, it doesn't turn out well.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Joecool:
One thing is for sure, it ain't the OL. Smith's sacks numbers by game

SEA: 2
NO: 0
KC: 5
ATL: 1

Aside from one terrible game, I wouldn't exactly call that bad OL play. He's had very good blocking for most parts of games. What do you guys expect? 0 sacks up to now?

Excuses keep getting debunked.

where are the QB hurries stats?

you need better debunking skills, yo.

pfff...like you would count the "holding the ball too long" stats, yo.

he is talking OL play. he is only counting sacks and not QB hurries/pressures. that doesn't tell the whole story of how poorly or well an OL plays. his example has been debunked.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Joecool:
One thing is for sure, it ain't the OL. Smith's sacks numbers by game

SEA: 2
NO: 0
KC: 5
ATL: 1

Aside from one terrible game, I wouldn't exactly call that bad OL play. He's had very good blocking for most parts of games. What do you guys expect? 0 sacks up to now?

Excuses keep getting debunked.

where are the QB hurries stats?

you need better debunking skills, yo.

pfff...like you would count the "holding the ball too long" stats, yo.

he is talking OL play. he is only counting sacks and not QB hurries/pressures. that doesn't tell the whole story of how well an OL plays. his example has been debunked.

Owned.