John Clayton's take on Alex Smith

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Many of Smith's inaccurate throws were made while he was about to be clobbered. Pressure will throw all QBs off. Remember how the great Kurt Warner struggled last year when our defense was pressuring him? Come on guys, you have to look at the entire picture to understand why things happen.

Then it doesn't fit their agenda that Smith is all that is, was, and ever will be wrong with the niners.

your guys' thinking exhibits an unbiased approach with some logical thinking. that's not allowed in niner talk

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Nes49:
It's just his opinion....nothing more.

dumbest comment ever... you could say the same about CEOs and world leaders.

It is his opinion, you made the dumb comment by attesting otherwise.

So for ex, anything Stephen Hawking says about physics is "just his opinion"? Simply writing off what an industry expert says because it is just their opinion is DUMB, I'm sorry. There's a reason John is in his position and we're not. He has spent years refining his opinion and is in a highly ranked NFL analyst position as a result. The only reason everyone here writes it off as "just an opinion" is because he doesn't subscribe to the "Alex Smith is the next coming of Steve Young/Jim Plunkett/Troy Aikman" theory. It's inconvenient, I know...

Yes its called knowing the right people or having connections, thats pretty much how the world works

but if he said Smith was on the verge of a breakout season with a solid chance of being elite, everyone would be swinging from his nuts and singing praise to his NFL expertise. I know how it goes.

Lol your very right my friend

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Nes49:
It's just his opinion....nothing more.

dumbest comment ever... you could say the same about CEOs and world leaders.

It is his opinion, you made the dumb comment by attesting otherwise.

So for ex, anything Stephen Hawking says about physics is "just his opinion"? Simply writing off what an industry expert says because it is just their opinion is DUMB, I'm sorry. There's a reason John is in his position and we're not. He has spent years refining his opinion and is in a highly ranked NFL analyst position as a result. The only reason everyone here writes it off as "just an opinion" is because he doesn't subscribe to the "Alex Smith is the next coming of Steve Young/Jim Plunkett/Troy Aikman" theory. It's inconvenient, I know...

"John's" not in that position because everything he says is true or happens. Although these guys are at the top of their industry, they've gotten stuck in a system that requires in-depth analysis of 32 teams at every minute of the day. That's something that no human can do and it is very possible that some fringe teams get minimum research done before decisive opinions are given. How many times have analysts write up detailed reports on the team only to get the small details wrong. Like saying x is a weak backup when they aren't even on the team anymore or have been moved to another team.

They just can't keep up with everything and many times I believe they take glancing looks and trends before they devise their opinions.

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

... and shouldn't this tell you something? How much attention and close scrutiny do you think people and football fans outside of 49erland really give to SF's circumstances to even speak intelligibly about us? All (or at least most) of the talking heads and fan bases do not pay enough close attention to accurately discuss 49ers football. They read the vague outlines and occasional stat-sheets... that's it.

This is the only issue I have with Clayton. It was easily made clear that he had not done his homework, and was just spouting off what he hoped would pass for accurate knowledge of our team. The only people that also do this and are 49ers fans are... what? 5-10 forum members on each site that are so void of understanding, patience, and toleration for what should have been the typical QB development process... that this bunch joins the rest of the outsiders in talking out of their collective a$$. < insert facepalm >

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Funny thing is if Clayton had said Alex Smith is due for a breakout season and will make the pro-bowl, the Smith nut suckers would have been praising him as the greatest reporter ever. Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

its the fact he has matt schaub as 15 matt ryan so high when alex clarly outplayed him last year the fact that he said our WR makes a lot of catches and are "Excellent WR core"
stuff like that

Matt Schaub is only listed where he is because he has no team success. Clayton pretty much noted that. This isn't fantasy football here. Schaub's stock will rise when his team makes the playoffs.

His list isn't solely based on last season. Matt Ryan regressed last season party because of his injuries. Nobody is putting Alex Smith above Ryan. Nobody. While regressing a much younger and inexpierenced Matt Ryan played a fraction worse than Alex. He's still the better QB. Just look at his rookie season. I know it's hard for people to understand this, but when you've been in the league for 5 years and your team has never made the playoffs you're stock is going to be low. See Matt Schaub. The guy is an excellent QB but he doesn't get his due because he's stuck on a mediocre team.

^and he has been in a pretty tough division.....Schaub is a pretty good QB.... its crazy to think that the Falcons chose Mike Vick over him...or didn't keep him around just so Mike Vick doesn't have to look over his shoulder......then Schaub does well on his new team, and Vick struggles and gets in trouble.....while the Falcons are kicking themselves, F'n Matt Ryan lands on their lap.

not too many teams ever get second chances like that....lucky for them.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Funny thing is if Clayton had said Alex Smith is due for a breakout season and will make the pro-bowl, the Smith nut suckers would have been praising him as the greatest reporter ever. Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

its the fact he has matt schaub as 15 matt ryan so high when alex clarly outplayed him last year the fact that he said our WR makes a lot of catches and are "Excellent WR core"
stuff like that

Matt Schaub is only listed where he is because he has no team success. Clayton pretty much noted that. This isn't fantasy football here. Schaub's stock will rise when his team makes the playoffs.

His list isn't solely based on last season. Matt Ryan regressed last season party because of his injuries. Nobody is putting Alex Smith above Ryan. Nobody. While regressing a much younger and inexpierenced Matt Ryan played a fraction worse than Alex. He's still the better QB. Just look at his rookie season. I know it's hard for people to understand this, but when you've been in the league for 5 years and your team has never made the playoffs you're stock is going to be low. See Matt Schaub. The guy is an excellent QB but he doesn't get his due because he's stuck on a mediocre team.

the much younger Ryan is a year younger than Smith. Matt Ryan's 1st year was almost identical to Alex's second, except Alex was 21 and Ryan was 24.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Funny thing is if Clayton had said Alex Smith is due for a breakout season and will make the pro-bowl, the Smith nut suckers would have been praising him as the greatest reporter ever. Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

its the fact he has matt schaub as 15 matt ryan so high when alex clarly outplayed him last year the fact that he said our WR makes a lot of catches and are "Excellent WR core"
stuff like that

Matt Schaub is only listed where he is because he has no team success. Clayton pretty much noted that. This isn't fantasy football here. Schaub's stock will rise when his team makes the playoffs.

His list isn't solely based on last season. Matt Ryan regressed last season party because of his injuries. Nobody is putting Alex Smith above Ryan. Nobody. While regressing a much younger and inexpierenced Matt Ryan played a fraction worse than Alex. He's still the better QB. Just look at his rookie season. I know it's hard for people to understand this, but when you've been in the league for 5 years and your team has never made the playoffs you're stock is going to be low. See Matt Schaub. The guy is an excellent QB but he doesn't get his due because he's stuck on a mediocre team.

Playing well in the rookie year doesn't automatically make one a great QB. Exhibit A: Rick Mirer. He was Rookie of the Year, had a good second year, and then fell apart in the 4th year.

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Funny thing is if Clayton had said Alex Smith is due for a breakout season and will make the pro-bowl, the Smith nut suckers would have been praising him as the greatest reporter ever. Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

its the fact he has matt schaub as 15 matt ryan so high when alex clarly outplayed him last year the fact that he said our WR makes a lot of catches and are "Excellent WR core"
stuff like that

Matt Schaub is only listed where he is because he has no team success. Clayton pretty much noted that. This isn't fantasy football here. Schaub's stock will rise when his team makes the playoffs.

His list isn't solely based on last season. Matt Ryan regressed last season party because of his injuries. Nobody is putting Alex Smith above Ryan. Nobody. While regressing a much younger and inexpierenced Matt Ryan played a fraction worse than Alex. He's still the better QB. Just look at his rookie season. I know it's hard for people to understand this, but when you've been in the league for 5 years and your team has never made the playoffs you're stock is going to be low. See Matt Schaub. The guy is an excellent QB but he doesn't get his due because he's stuck on a mediocre team.

the much younger Ryan is a year younger than Smith. Matt Ryan's 1st year was almost identical to Alex's second, except Alex was 21 and Ryan was 24.

Atlanta made the playoffs. Difference #1. Matt Ryan did have better stats than Alex that year albeit only in TD's and picks. Difference #2.

Smith: 2890 yards, 16 TDs 16 Int, 58.1%, 74.8 QB rating
Ryan: 2916 yards, 22 TDs 14 Int, 58.3%, 80.9 QB rating.

Now here's what actually separates the 2. Team success and yes that does get factored in.

Ryan 20-10
Smith 12-14 (Not counting his rookie season)

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Funny thing is if Clayton had said Alex Smith is due for a breakout season and will make the pro-bowl, the Smith nut suckers would have been praising him as the greatest reporter ever. Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

its the fact he has matt schaub as 15 matt ryan so high when alex clarly outplayed him last year the fact that he said our WR makes a lot of catches and are "Excellent WR core"
stuff like that

Matt Schaub is only listed where he is because he has no team success. Clayton pretty much noted that. This isn't fantasy football here. Schaub's stock will rise when his team makes the playoffs.

His list isn't solely based on last season. Matt Ryan regressed last season party because of his injuries. Nobody is putting Alex Smith above Ryan. Nobody. While regressing a much younger and inexpierenced Matt Ryan played a fraction worse than Alex. He's still the better QB. Just look at his rookie season. I know it's hard for people to understand this, but when you've been in the league for 5 years and your team has never made the playoffs you're stock is going to be low. See Matt Schaub. The guy is an excellent QB but he doesn't get his due because he's stuck on a mediocre team.

the much younger Ryan is a year younger than Smith. Matt Ryan's 1st year was almost identical to Alex's second, except Alex was 21 and Ryan was 24.

Atlanta made the playoffs. Difference #1. Matt Ryan did have better stats than Alex that year albeit only in TD's and picks. Difference #2.

Smith: 2890 yards, 16 TDs 16 Int, 58.1%, 74.8 QB rating
Ryan: 2916 yards, 22 TDs 14 Int, 58.3%, 80.9 QB rating.

Now here's what actually separates the 2. Team success and yes that does get factored in.

Ryan 20-10
Smith 12-16 (Not counting his rookie season)

I think it is fair to say that Ryan had much more talent around him.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Funny thing is if Clayton had said Alex Smith is due for a breakout season and will make the pro-bowl, the Smith nut suckers would have been praising him as the greatest reporter ever. Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

its the fact he has matt schaub as 15 matt ryan so high when alex clarly outplayed him last year the fact that he said our WR makes a lot of catches and are "Excellent WR core"
stuff like that

Matt Schaub is only listed where he is because he has no team success. Clayton pretty much noted that. This isn't fantasy football here. Schaub's stock will rise when his team makes the playoffs.

His list isn't solely based on last season. Matt Ryan regressed last season party because of his injuries. Nobody is putting Alex Smith above Ryan. Nobody. While regressing a much younger and inexpierenced Matt Ryan played a fraction worse than Alex. He's still the better QB. Just look at his rookie season. I know it's hard for people to understand this, but when you've been in the league for 5 years and your team has never made the playoffs you're stock is going to be low. See Matt Schaub. The guy is an excellent QB but he doesn't get his due because he's stuck on a mediocre team.

the much younger Ryan is a year younger than Smith. Matt Ryan's 1st year was almost identical to Alex's second, except Alex was 21 and Ryan was 24.

Atlanta made the playoffs. Difference #1. Matt Ryan did have better stats than Alex that year albeit only in TD's and picks. Difference #2.

Smith: 2890 yards, 16 TDs 16 Int, 58.1%, 74.8 QB rating
Ryan: 2916 yards, 22 TDs 14 Int, 58.3%, 80.9 QB rating.

Now here's what actually separates the 2. Team success and yes that does get factored in.

Ryan 20-10
Smith 12-16 (Not counting his rookie season)

I think it is fair to say that Ryan had much more talent around him.

The Niners were 7-9 in Smith's second season. 2-1 before he went down in the third. They lost the three when he played with the third degree separation. 5 and 5 last year as the starter. By my reckoning that puts him at 14-15 as a starter (not counting the rookie season) without the injury. 14-18 if you count the games with the separation. 2007 and 2008 teams did not have the talent on the roster to be playoff teams. Last year the arguement can be made that enough talent was there but with the state of the o-line it might have been asking a bit too much. Expectations are there this year. The team is there this year. I'm content (which choice do we have anyways) to see how it goes. I think Alex steps up. Could I be wrong? Just like the rest of us, I have been wrong many times before.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Funny thing is if Clayton had said Alex Smith is due for a breakout season and will make the pro-bowl, the Smith nut suckers would have been praising him as the greatest reporter ever. Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

its the fact he has matt schaub as 15 matt ryan so high when alex clarly outplayed him last year the fact that he said our WR makes a lot of catches and are "Excellent WR core"
stuff like that

Matt Schaub is only listed where he is because he has no team success. Clayton pretty much noted that. This isn't fantasy football here. Schaub's stock will rise when his team makes the playoffs.

His list isn't solely based on last season. Matt Ryan regressed last season party because of his injuries. Nobody is putting Alex Smith above Ryan. Nobody. While regressing a much younger and inexpierenced Matt Ryan played a fraction worse than Alex. He's still the better QB. Just look at his rookie season. I know it's hard for people to understand this, but when you've been in the league for 5 years and your team has never made the playoffs you're stock is going to be low. See Matt Schaub. The guy is an excellent QB but he doesn't get his due because he's stuck on a mediocre team.

the much younger Ryan is a year younger than Smith. Matt Ryan's 1st year was almost identical to Alex's second, except Alex was 21 and Ryan was 24.

Atlanta made the playoffs. Difference #1. Matt Ryan did have better stats than Alex that year albeit only in TD's and picks. Difference #2.

Smith: 2890 yards, 16 TDs 16 Int, 58.1%, 74.8 QB rating
Ryan: 2916 yards, 22 TDs 14 Int, 58.3%, 80.9 QB rating.

Now here's what actually separates the 2. Team success and yes that does get factored in.

Ryan 20-10
Smith 12-16 (Not counting his rookie season)

I think it is fair to say that Ryan had much more talent around him.

every QB that plays better than Smith had favorable circumstances that allowed him to do so.

Hey, is Billy Pilgrim a Niner fan?

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Funny thing is if Clayton had said Alex Smith is due for a breakout season and will make the pro-bowl, the Smith nut suckers would have been praising him as the greatest reporter ever. Outside of this forum not that many people are delusional to believe that Alex Smith will be a franchise quarterback.

its the fact he has matt schaub as 15 matt ryan so high when alex clarly outplayed him last year the fact that he said our WR makes a lot of catches and are "Excellent WR core"
stuff like that

Matt Schaub is only listed where he is because he has no team success. Clayton pretty much noted that. This isn't fantasy football here. Schaub's stock will rise when his team makes the playoffs.

His list isn't solely based on last season. Matt Ryan regressed last season party because of his injuries. Nobody is putting Alex Smith above Ryan. Nobody. While regressing a much younger and inexpierenced Matt Ryan played a fraction worse than Alex. He's still the better QB. Just look at his rookie season. I know it's hard for people to understand this, but when you've been in the league for 5 years and your team has never made the playoffs you're stock is going to be low. See Matt Schaub. The guy is an excellent QB but he doesn't get his due because he's stuck on a mediocre team.

the much younger Ryan is a year younger than Smith. Matt Ryan's 1st year was almost identical to Alex's second, except Alex was 21 and Ryan was 24.

Atlanta made the playoffs. Difference #1. Matt Ryan did have better stats than Alex that year albeit only in TD's and picks. Difference #2.

Smith: 2890 yards, 16 TDs 16 Int, 58.1%, 74.8 QB rating
Ryan: 2916 yards, 22 TDs 14 Int, 58.3%, 80.9 QB rating.

Now here's what actually separates the 2. Team success and yes that does get factored in.

Ryan 20-10
Smith 12-16 (Not counting his rookie season)

I think it is fair to say that Ryan had much more talent around him.

every QB that plays better than Smith had favorable circumstances that allowed him to do so.

ya cuz smith had a top 10 receiver like ryan had roddy white and a HOF TE as a safety valve. ryan had a way better line so even tho our RB is better than his, his was more effective because of the line. ryan had an offensive system in place and smith stepped into an offense with a philosophy change goin on midseason and a depleted under talented line. totally even playing field right? shaj your blind hate for smith is getting ridiculous.