Alex Smith Bandwagon

Originally posted by billbird2111:
What is it about Alex Smith that makes you believe he will suddenly start performing well?

I'll ignore the preface and stick to answering the question posed above. Several "excuse free" things:

• new command of the offense
• new command of the team
• new self confidence
• physical tools
• flashes in prior performances
• health
• intelligence (including his "rain man" like learning needs - I suffer from them, too)
• increased surrounding talent level at OL and skill positions.
• general optimism
• faith

I think that is comprehensive, but I may add more.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Why are there more and more posters on here concerned with "destroying someone" instead of talking football?

Don't act like you guys came to this thread to talk football. Can't talk football with you guys because you are totally unreasonable and don't know enough about football to even have a decent conversation with. Anyone with any sense can see what you guys agenda is, and it has more to do with bashing the starting QB than talking football. Look at it this way, this year either we win with Smith or you guys will have to move on to the next player on the roster you choose to dislike for whatever bulls**t reason you want to make up.

The only thing destroyed in this thread is the credibility of people that deal only in absolutes, and say ignorant things like "Smith has never done anything" or "he will never be any good". Not one of you football geniuses is clairvoyant, sometimes I wonder if the term cogent even applies. It seems to me you guys are more invested in Smith than the guys that hope for him to succeed, you certainly seem obsessed with blaming one person for a teams shortcomings. Personally I don't care who the QB as long as he doesn't cost us games, but I know however you declaim it, you will never be happy unless Smith fails miserably so you can happily claim to be right while we watch other teams advance in the playoffs. It must be a miserable existence to be such a person.

Why you coming at me kid? Did I say something that I don't remember? And when did I say all this that you're so generously giving me credit for?

I'll have you know that I've forgotten more about Football over the last 40 years than you will ever know... So why don't you take some of your own advice and stop blaming me for every little thing. I swear some of you drama queens need to get a life....


For the record everyone. I'm disappointed with Smiths performance; but, hope he turns it around. I, in now way, have blinders on as to his prior performances with our team and would love it if he somehow flipped that proverbial switch on in his football mind and started playing like an above average QB (we did not draft him first overall to be Below-Average to Average).

...instead of the blanket statements that some like Bill/Fly/ZRF and others along that line.

I should leave it at that -- but I'll give you some generalizations and your responses, Memphis.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

I'd really like to hear some answers. Not excuses. No more of those. I've heard them all. All of us have. What is it about Alex Smith that makes you believe he will suddenly start performing well?

On top of that if most of you hated the job Nolan and McCloughan did then why do you give Alex a break? He was their choice. We have a whole new regime now and Alex has not proved anything but that he's an average QB.

See I'm not even saying he sucks but that he's average

[ Edited by BETTERDAYZ9ERS on Aug 20, 2010 at 13:57:18 ]

Beat the Clock Goldsen vs. Smith

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Shaj is right on the money. And while the Alexcusionists are now counting the actual YEARS that Alex has just been on the field -- I suppose this means that Aaron Rodgers has only been playing for two seasons? Those three years on the bench watching Brett Farve don't count?

Alex sitting on the bench and watching the action unfold in front of him doesn't count as experience?

Thanks for the label.

I've always stated his actually playing time in response to the chants of "five years" "six years," etc etc. Apples to apples.

AR has played in 39 career games to AS' 43. Those are not starts, just games played in.

Sitting on the bench absolutely DOES count as experience, but not the SAME experience as sitting on the bench, throwing the ball and operating the offense in daily practice, so I do not think that AR's years on the bench watching a HOFer and practicing daily are the same given AS' injury history. Apples to oranges, both in content and length of time.

You can call that an excuse if you want.

I frankly don't give a f**k about AS' past any more and am tired of hearing about it. This is the year - he's got to do it NOW or leave. Bottom line.

Originally posted by Nes49:
Beat the Clock Goldsen vs. Smith

Damn, no one knows Brian Jennings' number.

Originally posted by billbird2111:


I should leave it at that -- but I'll give you some generalizations and your responses, Memphis.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

I'd really like to hear some answers. Not excuses. No more of those. I've heard them all. All of us have. What is it about Alex Smith that makes you believe he will suddenly start performing well?

I can try this one.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Agreed. Neither has Frank Gore, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis or any of the rest of our good players. I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Agreed. See my response above - this one would be identical.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Disagree. We may have a different definition of a "Big Game Stage" but he led us to a touchdown winning drive against AZ on Monday night to start out the season a few years back. Additionally, he has played well in other games that have mattered down the stretch, but his performance alone was not enough to win us some of those games.

However, if your contention is that he needs to play better in Big Games, or that he hasn't played well enough in big games, or that he simply needs to get better in general, then I agree with you.

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

This one is simple, and really, has been answered for you countless times. Alex Smith has -

1. Shown the ability to play at a high level at times (though not yet consistently).

2. Continued to show improvement every year, with all signs suggesting further improvement this offseason.

3. A good supporting cast that should help him to be more consistent and take the next step.

4. And finally, he is our starting quarterback for the foreseeable future - why shouldn't we support him?

Is it so hard to understand that someone can see Alex differently than you do?

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
I am not satisfied with Smith's play in general, but have seen enough improvement to totally discount anyone that says he has never shown anything, or tries to lay the failures of this team on any one player.

THIS is full of win.

It's a statement that rides the fence and says nothing really. What does it really say? Smith hasn't been great, but everything hasn't been his fault either. The sky isn't green and it's not really yellow either......

2.6875 years worth of games. Smith needs to put it together NOW or leave.

Shaj is right on the money. And while the Alexcusionists are now counting the actual YEARS that Alex has just been on the field -- I suppose this means that Aaron Rodgers has only been playing for two seasons? Those three years on the bench watching Brett Farve don't count?

Alex sitting on the bench and watching the action unfold in front of him doesn't count as experience?

"Quality over quantity." Smith got to play for the league's worst team, Rodgers got to learn from a HOFer and while sitting on the bench of one of the best offense's in the league. You can't compare the two players experience, it has been THAT different.

I'll add that Rodgers took the Packers from 13-3 to 7-9 in his first season as a starter, whereas Smith helped the team go from 4-12 to 7-9 in his first year as a starter.

[ Edited by Kilgore_Trout on Aug 20, 2010 at 14:07:10 ]

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
What is it about Alex Smith that makes you believe he will suddenly start performing well?

I'll ignore the preface and stick to answering the question posed above. Several "excuse free" things:

• new command of the offense
• new command of the team
• new self confidence
• physical tools
• flashes in prior performances
• health
• intelligence (including his "rain man" like learning needs - I suffer from them, too)
• increased surrounding talent level at OL and skill positions.
• general optimism
• faith

I think that is comprehensive, but I may add more.

That's a huge difference when comparing Smith and Rodgers.

Originally posted by wadjay:

Originally posted by billbird2111:


I should leave it at that -- but I'll give you some generalizations and your responses, Memphis.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

I'd really like to hear some answers. Not excuses. No more of those. I've heard them all. All of us have. What is it about Alex Smith that makes you believe he will suddenly start performing well?

I can try this one.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Agreed. Neither has Frank Gore, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis or any of the rest of our good players. I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Agreed. See my response above - this one would be identical.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Disagree. We may have a different definition of a "Big Game Stage" but he led us to a touchdown winning drive against AZ on Monday night to start out the season a few years back. Additionally, he has played well in other games that have mattered down the stretch, but his performance alone was not enough to win us some of those games.

However, if your contention is that he needs to play better in Big Games, or that he hasn't played well enough in big games, or that he simply needs to get better in general, then I agree with you.

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

This one is simple, and really, has been answered for you countless times. Alex Smith has -

1. Shown the ability to play at a high level at times (though not yet consistently).

2. Continued to show improvement every year, with all signs suggesting further improvement this offseason.

3. A good supporting cast that should help him to be more consistent and take the next step.

4. And finally, he is our starting quarterback for the foreseeable future - why shouldn't we support him?

Is it so hard to understand that someone can see Alex differently than you do?

I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Have you been watching the NFL the last 8 years?

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

Originally posted by Nes49:
Beat the Clock Goldsen vs. Smith

Damn, no one knows Brian Jennings' number.

Brian Johnson!

Jennings!

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

Originally posted by Nes49:
Beat the Clock Goldsen vs. Smith

Damn, no one knows Brian Jennings' number.

Brian Johnson!

Jennings!

How do you like your eggs cooked?

Well

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

Originally posted by wadjay:

Originally posted by billbird2111:


I should leave it at that -- but I'll give you some generalizations and your responses, Memphis.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

I'd really like to hear some answers. Not excuses. No more of those. I've heard them all. All of us have. What is it about Alex Smith that makes you believe he will suddenly start performing well?

I can try this one.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Agreed. Neither has Frank Gore, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis or any of the rest of our good players. I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Agreed. See my response above - this one would be identical.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Disagree. We may have a different definition of a "Big Game Stage" but he led us to a touchdown winning drive against AZ on Monday night to start out the season a few years back. Additionally, he has played well in other games that have mattered down the stretch, but his performance alone was not enough to win us some of those games.

However, if your contention is that he needs to play better in Big Games, or that he hasn't played well enough in big games, or that he simply needs to get better in general, then I agree with you.

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

This one is simple, and really, has been answered for you countless times. Alex Smith has -

1. Shown the ability to play at a high level at times (though not yet consistently).

2. Continued to show improvement every year, with all signs suggesting further improvement this offseason.

3. A good supporting cast that should help him to be more consistent and take the next step.

4. And finally, he is our starting quarterback for the foreseeable future - why shouldn't we support him?

Is it so hard to understand that someone can see Alex differently than you do?

I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Have you been watching the NFL the last 8 years?

Yep, and last year I watched as the Jets and Bengals made a playoff run while the Texans and Steelers stayed home. Which teams have better QBs?

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

Originally posted by wadjay:

Originally posted by billbird2111:


I should leave it at that -- but I'll give you some generalizations and your responses, Memphis.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

I'd really like to hear some answers. Not excuses. No more of those. I've heard them all. All of us have. What is it about Alex Smith that makes you believe he will suddenly start performing well?

I can try this one.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Agreed. Neither has Frank Gore, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis or any of the rest of our good players. I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Agreed. See my response above - this one would be identical.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Disagree. We may have a different definition of a "Big Game Stage" but he led us to a touchdown winning drive against AZ on Monday night to start out the season a few years back. Additionally, he has played well in other games that have mattered down the stretch, but his performance alone was not enough to win us some of those games.

However, if your contention is that he needs to play better in Big Games, or that he hasn't played well enough in big games, or that he simply needs to get better in general, then I agree with you.

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

This one is simple, and really, has been answered for you countless times. Alex Smith has -

1. Shown the ability to play at a high level at times (though not yet consistently).

2. Continued to show improvement every year, with all signs suggesting further improvement this offseason.

3. A good supporting cast that should help him to be more consistent and take the next step.

4. And finally, he is our starting quarterback for the foreseeable future - why shouldn't we support him?

Is it so hard to understand that someone can see Alex differently than you do?

I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Have you been watching the NFL the last 8 years?

Are you serious man? Really? Foolish to suggest that a QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs?

And you ask me how long I've been watching football?

Name me the one team that made the playoffs last year with sub-par QB play?

Other than Baltimore's win -- name me the one team that actually won a Championship with average QB play OR an average QB?

Are you serious man? You really don't believe that a QB's performance determines whether a team plays well or not?

What game are you watching sir?

Alex has all of the physical tools and motivation possible to have a great year. ESPN's Merrill Hodge said the niners are not one of twelve teams that have a shot at getting to the SB because of the QB play in SF.

The Bengals made the list and SF did not because of the QB. (in his opinion) At some point Alex must want to shut these guys up.

Originally posted by wadjay:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

Originally posted by wadjay:

Originally posted by billbird2111:


I should leave it at that -- but I'll give you some generalizations and your responses, Memphis.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Memphis: *Alexcuses*

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

I'd really like to hear some answers. Not excuses. No more of those. I've heard them all. All of us have. What is it about Alex Smith that makes you believe he will suddenly start performing well?

I can try this one.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to lead us to the playoffs.

Agreed. Neither has Frank Gore, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis or any of the rest of our good players. I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Generalization: Alex Smith has not produced a single winning season.

Agreed. See my response above - this one would be identical.

Generalization: Alex Smith has yet to perform well on a Big Game Stage.

Disagree. We may have a different definition of a "Big Game Stage" but he led us to a touchdown winning drive against AZ on Monday night to start out the season a few years back. Additionally, he has played well in other games that have mattered down the stretch, but his performance alone was not enough to win us some of those games.

However, if your contention is that he needs to play better in Big Games, or that he hasn't played well enough in big games, or that he simply needs to get better in general, then I agree with you.

Finally -- there has been absolutely no response from Smith supporters on the one question I have continually asked:

How can you possibly continue to support this guy? Do you like suffering through losing seasons?

This one is simple, and really, has been answered for you countless times. Alex Smith has -

1. Shown the ability to play at a high level at times (though not yet consistently).

2. Continued to show improvement every year, with all signs suggesting further improvement this offseason.

3. A good supporting cast that should help him to be more consistent and take the next step.

4. And finally, he is our starting quarterback for the foreseeable future - why shouldn't we support him?

Is it so hard to understand that someone can see Alex differently than you do?

I think it's foolish to suggest that the QB determines whether a team makes the playoffs.

Have you been watching the NFL the last 8 years?

Yep, and last year I watched as the Jets and Bengals made a playoff run while the Texans and Steelers stayed home. Which teams have better QBs?

Last year? The Jets and Bengals had better QB's.

I watched Rapistberger blow a game to the Raiders at home last year. Ya think Sanchez did that in New York? Ya think Palmer did that in Cincy? NOPE! Which is why Cincy won the division. Because Palmer didn't blow it.

Just goes to show -- we might be watching the same game -- but we have decidedly different outcomes on what we saw.