Originally posted by communist:
his size is not questionable at all. Wilson and brees prove it on.every sunday.
More the exception to the rule, both those guys have stronger arms than Murray.
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Originally posted by communist:
his size is not questionable at all. Wilson and brees prove it on.every sunday.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:This is mainly why I'm on the fence about Murray. I like his game, I like his grittiness, I like the intangibles he brings, and of course his extensive experience performing against top competition but with his questionable arm strength I can't help but see another Colt McCoy, another smaller than ideal, highly experienced and succesful college QB who just doesn't quite have enough arm strength to be a starter in the NFL.
Originally posted by communist:
his size is not questionable at all. Wilson and brees prove it on.every sunday.
More the exception to the rule, both those guys have stronger arms than Murray.
who set this "rule"??? where is the Argument??? or is it another bogus correlation?Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:More the exception to the rule, both those guys have stronger arms than Murray.
Originally posted by communist:
who set this "rule"??? where is the Argument??? or is it another bogus correlation?
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by communist:
who set this "rule"??? where is the Argument??? or is it another bogus correlation?
Based on the fact that the vast majority of the QB's are not midgets. But there are plenty of undersized guys with average arms who wash out of the league on a consistent basis. Murray has a lot in common with Colt McCoy, might have a little better arm but essentially they were very productive college passers who are best suited as backups at the NFL level.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Murray = Productive passer in Pro Style offense
McCoy = Productive passer in Gimmick style offense
Murray's QB mechanics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McCoy
I'd take Aaron Murray over Colt McCoy any day of the week, year, decade or century.
Originally posted by sfout:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10029963/georgia-bulldogs-aaron-murray-torn-acl-return
ATHENS, Ga. – Aaron Murray's record-breaking college career is over.Georgia sports communications director Claude Felton confirmed on Sunday that the senior quarterback tore the ACL in his left knee in Saturday's 59-17 win against Kentucky and will miss next Saturday's regular-season finale against Georgia Tech, as well as the Bulldogs' bowl game.Murray will undergo surgery to repair the knee on Tuesday, but will face a lengthy rehabilitation process.He will not compete in a postseason all-star game -- Bulldogs tight end Arthur Lynch said earlier this week that he and Murray planned to play in the Senior Bowl in January -- or the mid-February NFL combine during the run-up to the draft, which begins May 8.
Tough break - now he'll slide and definitely be picked up as project QB or very delayed plan B for coaches on the hot seat.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by Kolohe:Murray = Productive passer in Pro Style offense
McCoy = Productive passer in Gimmick style offense
Murray's QB mechanics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McCoy
I'd take Aaron Murray over Colt McCoy any day of the week, year, decade or century.
Being a passer in a pro-style offense doesn't mean that much. A good QB will learn how to play in pretty much any offense over time. Plenty of guys who were studs in a pro-style offense who didn't amount to anything in the NFL. Maybe you can recall the Ricky Stanzi hype a few years ago. "OMG, but he can play in a pro-style offense, he doesn't come from a gimmick system like those other guys." "He has a high football IQ and can make all the necessary throws." I remember how many people were butt hurt when the 49ers traded up to draft Kaepernick because Stanzi would have been available later and he put up big numbers in a complicated pro style offense.
Running a pro-style offense certainly didn't help Brady Quinn much in terms of being a productive NFL player and he had similar limitations as Murray.
It only helps to a point, the problem with a guy like Murray is that his ceiling is very limited, to me he seems good enough to be an occasional starter but primarily a high quality backup QB and there's nothing wrong with that. I would have no problem with the 49ers drafting him in the 5th round, that'd be great value for that point in the draft.....but certainly not in the 2nd or 3rd round. He's a guy with a solid ground floor but a low ceiling.
Look, we're both going to have to agree to disagree on this and a couple seasons from now we can return to this topic and see who was right and who was wrong and the loser can buy the winner a single bottle of fairly good quality booze. Deal?
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Oh C'mon Phoenix you name a couple of QBs who are pretty much unproven and are question marks. It can really be argued that the teams they're with are hardly teams you could succeed with. For every Brady Quinn though I will throw a Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Carson Pamler, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Sam Bradford, Phillip Rivers, Andrew Luck and so on and I know I can go on. Most I mention are top passers and top QBs in the NFL. There's a reason QBs like Colt McCoy and most of the gimmicky QBs in the NFL aren't top
QBs in the league. Hey how's RG3 doing btw?
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm off to bed but look at the QB you brought up Phoenix, what a horrible example or should I say weak one. Again Ponder is still young and might I add doing much better than a RG3 or a Colt McCoy. Also another thing to point out is the mechanics of a QB from a Pro Style offense will translate faster than one from a Gimick offense. Also could've sworn Drew Brees lined up under-center in college often? Also shouldn't draft position further prove my point in preference of a Pro Style QB?
And refresh my memory but when was the last time a Spread option or read-option QB win a Super Bowl, I guess when Alex Smith wins one, he'll be the exception not the rule as you say in the other post.