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2016-2017 NBA FINALS: Cavs v. Warriors

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he's done it multiple times now, he could have just passed to himself..ish ?



badass play. just showing off his greatness

Every bench warmer kid who participates in the dunk contest can do that.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he's done it multiple times now, he could have just passed to himself..ish ?



badass play. just showing off his greatness

Every bench warmer kid who participates in the dunk contest can do that.


I guess every benchwarmer dunking kid is selfish and all about me me ME lmao!
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he's done it multiple times now, he could have just passed to himself..ish ?



badass play. just showing off his greatness

Every bench warmer kid who participates in the dunk contest can do that.


I guess every benchwarmer dunking kid is selfish and all about me me ME lmao!

They dont do it in the games...
Originally posted by Niners99:
They dont do it in the games...

ur right. bron does. #goat
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Anyone who watches any basketball knows - when you have to exert more energy on offense...your defense suffers.

Durant wasn't an elite defender in OKC - but he is with Warriors. Even Kawhi didn't have his best year defensively now that he's asked to take a bigger load on offense.

Sorry that doesnt make any sense.

Spot on 4ML.

Kawhi took on way more offensive responsibility this year and subsequently had his worst defensive year by a mile. And not only did his defense suffer, he was almost never guarding the other team's biggest threat.

lulz so full of lulz...thought you were better than that...nothing to do with "energy". if anything with this extremely limited analysis in regards to # of case studies its probably due to scheme on both sides..parking leonard in a corner with his man whos only purpose is to take leonard out of the equation.
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Anyone who watches any basketball knows - when you have to exert more energy on offense...your defense suffers.

Durant wasn't an elite defender in OKC - but he is with Warriors. Even Kawhi didn't have his best year defensively now that he's asked to take a bigger load on offense.

Sorry that doesnt make any sense.

Spot on 4ML.

Kawhi took on way more offensive responsibility this year and subsequently had his worst defensive year by a mile. And not only did his defense suffer, he was almost never guarding the other team's biggest threat.

lulz so full of lulz...thought you were better than that...nothing to do with "energy". if anything with this extremely limited analysis in regards to # of case studies its probably due to scheme on both sides..parking leonard in a corner with his man whos only purpose is to take leonard out of the equation.

OK....you claim it has nothing to do with energy. So what is the reason Kawhi's stats are markedly down across the board this year? Just a coincidence that it happens to be the same year that he carried far more of an offensive workload?
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
OK....you claim it has nothing to do with energy. So what is the reason Kawhi's stats are markedly down across the board this year? Just a coincidence that it happens to be the same year that he carried far more of an offensive workload?

It obviously has something to do with energy. That's what made Jordan special - he was able to carry the load offensively and still lock up his man on defense. Lebron is bigger, stronger, and a better playmaker than Jordan was, but he doesn't have that same motor/endurance. Neither did Kobe, who put in much less effort in on defense than Lebron at this point in his career.

All the top players start taking plays off at some point in their career. Lebron James at 32 doesn't have the same energy as Lebron at 25. He can choose to conserve his energy to pad his stats and average a triple double by not playing as hard defensively, but give me the 25-26 year old version of any superstar over the 32 year old version all day.

Kawhi still plays hard on both ends regardless of what the stats you're looking at say. He can't devote as much energy on defense now that he's the primary offensive threat for the Spurs, but he's still a big reason they're one of the best defensive teams in the league. Of the top MVP candidates (Westbrook, Harden, Lebron, Kawhi), Leonard puts in the most effort on defense and was the most valuable player during the regular season in my opinion.
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Anyone who watches any basketball knows - when you have to exert more energy on offense...your defense suffers.

Durant wasn't an elite defender in OKC - but he is with Warriors. Even Kawhi didn't have his best year defensively now that he's asked to take a bigger load on offense.

Sorry that doesnt make any sense.

Spot on 4ML.

Kawhi took on way more offensive responsibility this year and subsequently had his worst defensive year by a mile. And not only did his defense suffer, he was almost never guarding the other team's biggest threat.

lulz so full of lulz...thought you were better than that...nothing to do with "energy". if anything with this extremely limited analysis in regards to # of case studies its probably due to scheme on both sides..parking leonard in a corner with his man whos only purpose is to take leonard out of the equation.

You're the only one that doesn't seem to understand. Are you a kid with special needs?
Originally posted by DickWedgie:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Anyone who watches any basketball knows - when you have to exert more energy on offense...your defense suffers.

Durant wasn't an elite defender in OKC - but he is with Warriors. Even Kawhi didn't have his best year defensively now that he's asked to take a bigger load on offense.

Sorry that doesnt make any sense.

Spot on 4ML.

Kawhi took on way more offensive responsibility this year and subsequently had his worst defensive year by a mile. And not only did his defense suffer, he was almost never guarding the other team's biggest threat.

lulz so full of lulz...thought you were better than that...nothing to do with "energy". if anything with this extremely limited analysis in regards to # of case studies its probably due to scheme on both sides..parking leonard in a corner with his man whos only purpose is to take leonard out of the equation.

You're the only one that doesn't seem to understand. Are you a kid with special needs?


Originally posted by DickWedgie:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Anyone who watches any basketball knows - when you have to exert more energy on offense...your defense suffers.

Durant wasn't an elite defender in OKC - but he is with Warriors. Even Kawhi didn't have his best year defensively now that he's asked to take a bigger load on offense.

Sorry that doesnt make any sense.

Spot on 4ML.

Kawhi took on way more offensive responsibility this year and subsequently had his worst defensive year by a mile. And not only did his defense suffer, he was almost never guarding the other team's biggest threat.

lulz so full of lulz...thought you were better than that...nothing to do with "energy". if anything with this extremely limited analysis in regards to # of case studies its probably due to scheme on both sides..parking leonard in a corner with his man whos only purpose is to take leonard out of the equation.

You're the only one that doesn't seem to understand. Are you a kid with special needs?

Warriors ain't tired
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
It obviously has something to do with energy. That's what made Jordan special - he was able to carry the load offensively and still lock up his man on defense. Lebron is bigger, stronger, and a better playmaker than Jordan was, but he doesn't have that same motor/endurance. Neither did Kobe, who put in much less effort in on defense than Lebron at this point in his career.

All the top players start taking plays off at some point in their career. Lebron James at 32 doesn't have the same energy as Lebron at 25. He can choose to conserve his energy to pad his stats and average a triple double by not playing as hard defensively, but give me the 25-26 year old version of any superstar over the 32 year old version all day.

Kawhi still plays hard on both ends regardless of what the stats you're looking at say. He can't devote as much energy on defense now that he's the primary offensive threat for the Spurs, but he's still a big reason they're one of the best defensive teams in the league. Of the top MVP candidates (Westbrook, Harden, Lebron, Kawhi), Leonard puts in the most effort on defense and was the most valuable player during the regular season in my opinion.

Pippen usually guarded the opposing team's best wing player which often times put MJ on guys like Dan Marleje, Byron Russell, and other undersized guys like John Starks or less skilled guys like Nick Anderson. MJ wasn't running around checking Penny Hardaway all game or guys of his caliber. It didn't make sense from a schematic standpoint when Pippen was able to do that and MJ can conserve his energy. MJ did lock up his guys no doubt but they often weren't the guys that stood any chance of dropping 25+ a night which is the difference
Originally posted by DickWedgie:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Anyone who watches any basketball knows - when you have to exert more energy on offense...your defense suffers.

Durant wasn't an elite defender in OKC - but he is with Warriors. Even Kawhi didn't have his best year defensively now that he's asked to take a bigger load on offense.

Sorry that doesnt make any sense.

Spot on 4ML.

Kawhi took on way more offensive responsibility this year and subsequently had his worst defensive year by a mile. And not only did his defense suffer, he was almost never guarding the other team's biggest threat.

lulz so full of lulz...thought you were better than that...nothing to do with "energy". if anything with this extremely limited analysis in regards to # of case studies its probably due to scheme on both sides..parking leonard in a corner with his man whos only purpose is to take leonard out of the equation.

You're the only one that doesn't seem to understand. Are you a kid with special needs?
Hahahah where the eff did this goofball come from? Someone's alter ego that I pissed off from all the pwnage? Lulz.
Maybe it's everyone's different interpretation of "energy". But imo it has nothing to do with physical conditioning. I mean go back and look at the last few pages you have one zoner saying Bryant's conditioning allowed him to overcome this, and another one saying he wasn't conditioned enough.
It's all scheme on both sides and the new roles that need to be assumed.
Look at the candidates for first team all nba defense this year f**king Kawhi Leonard and Chris Paul. And you say he has regressed significantly??? CP3 expends so much energy directing his offense...flies into the paint and makes beautiful dishes while his teammates get the glory and then he has to bust his ass back down the other side often after falling to the floor.

Look at the history of the all defensive teams over the years -- filled with "primary" offensive juggernauts.
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