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2015-16 Los Angeles Lakers Thread

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by Arminini:
Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
Ingram is a SF, he's 6'9.

Yea, I rather have a really long SG, than a really underweight SF. Obviously, we got to see how he moves on the court and whether he can keep up with SGs, but I would like to avoid the beating he'd take against guys way stronger than him in the front court.To me, positions come down to who you can guard rather than what offensive position suits you.

With Russel being a 6'5" PG, and Ingram a 6'9" SG we would have one of the longest back courts in the NBA forcing other teams to adjust to us.

Honestly, he's going to struggle to defend a position until he gains weight. He's not athletic enough to guard SG's and not strong enough to guard SF's. He'll be able to guard certain less physical SF's or less athletic SG's but for the most part the Lakers will have to rely on team defense bailing him out. Durant has become a pretty good defender due to his length (even taller and longer than Ingram), but he also has 40 pounds on Ingram at this point in their careers and came into the league a lot heavier. I can't remember too many 6'9 players who weighed less than 200 (and with that length, you should be even heavier for your height).

I disagree. As an ex bball player (high school), people that are long and lengthy like this that are good players are never that 'soft'. They are scrappy, wiry, and usually keep a good base to make up for their lack of 'beef'.
The average small forward is somewhere around 6'7, 6'8. Ingram has a wingspan of 7'3 which is that of avg NBA center. So even if you think you are going to just easily back this guy down, when you try that layup or turn around, he is very, very good at making up space quickly with that length. If you watched him at duke he knows how to use his length very well on D, which made up for a lot of his lack of strength. More of his issue is with falling asleep, lack of rotation, and standing around at times on D, and can get swallowed up by big screens. Remember guys we aren't going to win a championship this year, this is a full on rebuilding project and he needs time to fill out. He grew 8 inches in high school so its going to take time for the rest of him to fill out and should it happen he could be a very good defender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQg7TNF5PSE

After just 2 practices Nance is already confirming what i was thinking about him in terms of the "soft" label he was getting coming out of the draft. And Nance is not soft.
[ Edited by DynastyChile on Jul 7, 2016 at 6:54 AM ]
Are you guys going to watch the summer league ? I'm not much of a summer league fan but I'm curious about the young nucleus..
Is clarkson going to play ?
Originally posted by corona55569:
Are you guys going to watch the summer league ? I'm not much of a summer league fan but I'm curious about the young nucleus..
Is clarkson going to play ?

Clarkson isn't playing. They initially said Randle wasn't gonna play, but he's practicing with them right now, so maybe he will.
Clarkson is dating a Jenner. You guys are f**ked.
Originally posted by DynastyChile:
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by Arminini:
Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
Ingram is a SF, he's 6'9.

Yea, I rather have a really long SG, than a really underweight SF. Obviously, we got to see how he moves on the court and whether he can keep up with SGs, but I would like to avoid the beating he'd take against guys way stronger than him in the front court.To me, positions come down to who you can guard rather than what offensive position suits you.

With Russel being a 6'5" PG, and Ingram a 6'9" SG we would have one of the longest back courts in the NBA forcing other teams to adjust to us.

Honestly, he's going to struggle to defend a position until he gains weight. He's not athletic enough to guard SG's and not strong enough to guard SF's. He'll be able to guard certain less physical SF's or less athletic SG's but for the most part the Lakers will have to rely on team defense bailing him out. Durant has become a pretty good defender due to his length (even taller and longer than Ingram), but he also has 40 pounds on Ingram at this point in their careers and came into the league a lot heavier. I can't remember too many 6'9 players who weighed less than 200 (and with that length, you should be even heavier for your height).

I disagree. As an ex bball player (high school), people that are long and lengthy like this that are good players are never that 'soft'. They are scrappy, wiry, and usually keep a good base to make up for their lack of 'beef'.
The average small forward is somewhere around 6'7, 6'8. Ingram has a wingspan of 7'3 which is that of avg NBA center. So even if you think you are going to just easily back this guy down, when you try that layup or turn around, he is very, very good at making up space quickly with that length. If you watched him at duke he knows how to use his length very well on D, which made up for a lot of his lack of strength. More of his issue is with falling asleep, lack of rotation, and standing around at times on D, and can get swallowed up by big screens. Remember guys we aren't going to win a championship this year, this is a full on rebuilding project and he needs time to fill out. He grew 8 inches in high school so its going to take time for the rest of him to fill out and should it happen he could be a very good defender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQg7TNF5PSE

After just 2 practices Nance is already confirming what i was thinking about him in terms of the "soft" label he was getting coming out of the draft. And Nance is not soft.

Didn't say Ingram was soft, just that being <200 pounds will be a disadvantage playing defense at the next level as it was for Kevin Durant who was bigger with an even longer wingspan when he came into the league.

If anything, I think length is still underrated in both football and basketball, but I don't expect Ingram to be a plus defender until he puts on weight and his body has time to mature.

This article has a couple clips showing where lack of weight/strength can hurt Ingram. Opposing players can back him down easily - they still have to finish over him, but good ones will be able to draw fouls and shield the ball like the ND player in this clip. It's also easier to knock someone back on a layup who is 195 pounds than it is to knock someone back who is 240 pounds. Fighting through screens is more of an effort thing, but gaining strength wouldn't hurt there - if nothing else, he could play a little more aggressively without as much risk of injury.

I played in high school too and was a long/lean scrapper and gaining weight throughout high school made a huge difference in my game and my mentality on the court. Weight makes a pretty big difference when you're that thin.
http://upsidemotor.com/2016/02/02/brandon-ingram-scouting-report-duke-blue-devils-2016-nba-draft-ben-simmons/
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Caught the summer league game. Got a little excited watching it.

Russel with 20 11 reb and 6 ass, dominated in the post every time, and got to the free throw line at will. Did have a bunch of TOs though, he was being pretty careless with the ball in the open court.

Nance, showed that he put some work into his jump shot, even hit a 3, and made a couple of mid range shots. Walton wants to push the pace a lot from what he said, so we saw a lot of Nance grabbing a rebound and starting the fast break.

Brown, definitely put on some muscle, looked bigger out there. He looked like the perimeter defender that we drafted him to be. Still had a hard time making a 3 though. 1-5.

Zubac (C), our 2nd round pick was really impressive. He either blocked the shot or altered it, and showed great touch around the rim. He had about 4 ISO post up plays, and looked good. There's nothing soft about this European, he played really physical. Everybody on Lakers had nothing but great things to say about him.

Ingram. I mean it's just one summer league game, but wow. His jump shot was so damn smooth, and he had a couple plays where he drove to the basket and looked to do it without effort. Natural ball handling skills too. His defense was better than expected as well, and was glad to see him play physical, he wasn't shying away from contact.

Tonight is against 76ers, Ingram / Simmons should be fun

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
Caught the summer league game. Got a little excited watching it.

Russel with 20 11 reb and 6 ass, dominated in the post every time, and got to the free throw line at will. Did have a bunch of TOs though, he was being pretty careless with the ball in the open court.

Nance, showed that he put some work into his jump shot, even hit a 3, and made a couple of mid range shots. Walton wants to push the pace a lot from what he said, so we saw a lot of Nance grabbing a rebound and starting the fast break.

Brown, definitely put on some muscle, looked bigger out there. He looked like the perimeter defender that we drafted him to be. Still had a hard time making a 3 though. 1-5.

Zubac (C), our 2nd round pick was really impressive. He either blocked the shot or altered it, and showed great touch around the rim. He had about 4 ISO post up plays, and looked good. There's nothing soft about this European, he played really physical. Everybody on Lakers had nothing but great things to say about him.

Ingram. I mean it's just one summer league game, but wow. His jump shot was so damn smooth, and he had a couple plays where he drove to the basket and looked to do it without effort. Natural ball handling skills too. His defense was better than expected as well, and was glad to see him play physical, he wasn't shying away from contact.

Tonight is against 76ers, Ingram / Simmons should be fun

Nice breakdown just caught the game On TiVo
The big man Zubac models his game after Mark Gasol, and as you pointed out just has a nice soft touch and stroke.... Altered many shots besides the 3-4 blocks he had
Ingram had poise man, lack of strength is made up for length on the defensive end and also recognizes to play help defense for teammates.
D Russel you're spot on, turned the ball over so much. I noticed he is trying to be a leader and teach/direct guys around.
Originally posted by corona55569:
Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
Caught the summer league game. Got a little excited watching it.

Russel with 20 11 reb and 6 ass, dominated in the post every time, and got to the free throw line at will. Did have a bunch of TOs though, he was being pretty careless with the ball in the open court.

Nance, showed that he put some work into his jump shot, even hit a 3, and made a couple of mid range shots. Walton wants to push the pace a lot from what he said, so we saw a lot of Nance grabbing a rebound and starting the fast break.

Brown, definitely put on some muscle, looked bigger out there. He looked like the perimeter defender that we drafted him to be. Still had a hard time making a 3 though. 1-5.

Zubac (C), our 2nd round pick was really impressive. He either blocked the shot or altered it, and showed great touch around the rim. He had about 4 ISO post up plays, and looked good. There's nothing soft about this European, he played really physical. Everybody on Lakers had nothing but great things to say about him.

Ingram. I mean it's just one summer league game, but wow. His jump shot was so damn smooth, and he had a couple plays where he drove to the basket and looked to do it without effort. Natural ball handling skills too. His defense was better than expected as well, and was glad to see him play physical, he wasn't shying away from contact.

Tonight is against 76ers, Ingram / Simmons should be fun

Nice breakdown just caught the game On TiVo
The big man Zubac models his game after Mark Gasol, and as you pointed out just has a nice soft touch and stroke.... Altered many shots besides the 3-4 blocks he had
Ingram had poise man, lack of strength is made up for length on the defensive end and also recognizes to play help defense for teammates.
D Russel you're spot on, turned the ball over so much. I noticed he is trying to be a leader and teach/direct guys around.

Ya, even Russel compared him to Marc.
Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
Caught the summer league game. Got a little excited watching it.

Russel with 20 11 reb and 6 ass, dominated in the post every time, and got to the free throw line at will. Did have a bunch of TOs though, he was being pretty careless with the ball in the open court.

Nance, showed that he put some work into his jump shot, even hit a 3, and made a couple of mid range shots. Walton wants to push the pace a lot from what he said, so we saw a lot of Nance grabbing a rebound and starting the fast break.

Brown, definitely put on some muscle, looked bigger out there. He looked like the perimeter defender that we drafted him to be. Still had a hard time making a 3 though. 1-5.

Zubac (C), our 2nd round pick was really impressive. He either blocked the shot or altered it, and showed great touch around the rim. He had about 4 ISO post up plays, and looked good. There's nothing soft about this European, he played really physical. Everybody on Lakers had nothing but great things to say about him.

Ingram. I mean it's just one summer league game, but wow. His jump shot was so damn smooth, and he had a couple plays where he drove to the basket and looked to do it without effort. Natural ball handling skills too. His defense was better than expected as well, and was glad to see him play physical, he wasn't shying away from contact.

Tonight is against 76ers, Ingram / Simmons should be fun

It's great to see each of the young guys show signs of what they can do. It's just summer league, but they all looked good on defense too. Plus we haven't even seen the two guys that should be furthest along in Randle or Clarkson.

I hope it's a huge case of addition by subtraction with Byron gone and Kobe's farewell tour over. We didn't get the big free agent but the biggest addition could be the ugrade at coach and the Kobe distraction no longer impeding the team. Plus, many advance stats say Kobe was the least effective player last year while he was getting 30 minutes so just taking those minutes back might help too.
I'm feeling something down below that I haven't felt in a while. Meow
Has a team ever played 3 starters in a summer league game.
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