Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Andruw Jones not being in the HOF is a crime, BEST DEFENSIVE CF IN OUR LIFETIME and I aint talking about you dudes that have been watching baseball since the 1800s
Torii Hunter disagrees.
Torii Hunter can disagree all he wants. Because in reality, this isnt even close bro.
Imo, Torii was better. Jones had 10 GG, Torii had 9, so it is close lol.
That's fine. I dont mean to be a d**k, but I dont know if there is a single advanced metric that would agree with you on this. Torii was very good. Jones was something else altogether. Ask Glavine and Maddux how much he meant to them. He took away almost the entire field. He played shallow so bloopers would be caught. The left and right fielders got to shade towards the foul lines because Jones could catch everything in the gaps. He routinely was camped under balls which players like Jim Edmonds had to lay out for.
Jones was something we may never see again. Best CF in our lifetimes by a mile.
This one is tough. Jones was an amazing CFer. But I don't think he was a great hitter. I don't think defense alone should get you in the HOF.
He's a career .254 hitter. Hit under .200 twice. Never was a 30/30 guy. Only made a few all star games. His ROY season failed in comparison to most...not his fault but true. 1,900 hits and 434 HRs doesn't get most in the hall. If it wasn't for his GG awards, he would have been just another good player.
I'd be fine if he was in, but I am fine that he isn't.
I get he is a polarizing case. His batting average was low, but being the best defensive CF maybe ever combined with being in the top 50 of HRs ever, he should be in IMO.
I value peak a lot. Not to say longevity isnt important, but Andruw was an elite player for 10 years. Check out his stat averages from 1998 to 2007:
.266 BA
.344 OBP
.503 SLG
34 HRs
103 RBIs
97 runs
12 SBs
All while objectively playing the best defense any of us had ever seen out of a CF. That is 10 years of playing better than all but a handful of players. Thats a Hall of Famer. If Omar Vizquel gets in, which it appears he eventually will, there is zero reason Jones shouldnt be in.
[ Edited by SteveWallacesHelmet on Jan 27, 2020 at 1:30 PM ]