Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron James keeps debunking the all about him not being elite enough.
what is there to debunk when 1 needs great talent around him in wade and bosh. now if it was back in Ohio then yes i would agree
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron James keeps debunking the all about him not being elite enough.
Originally posted by Negrodamus:Originally posted by jrg:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Bulls will need another scorer on this team going forward. They need a legit SG
I agree...get J-Rich this summer. He is a FA.
Again, this series is NOT over.
J-Rich would be good for them.
They wouldn't keep him standing at the 3pt line and actually let him attack the basket, unlike Orlando.
no need for old dudes. we need to someone who can create off of the dribble. take the pressure off of d-rose. we need to go after a pf who can shoot from the outside and bang bodies. get rid of booza and get Nene who i think is FA
Originally posted by Negrodamus:Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron James keeps debunking the all about him not being elite enough.
what is there to debunk when 1 needs great talent around him in wade and bosh. now if it was back in Ohio then yes i would agree
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Reading Michael Jordan/Jerry Rice worshipers talking about not liking LeBron because he's a douchebag as a person was pretty damn awesome. I only "sports hate" LeBron, because he's both a rival, and someone whose on court impact I think is grossly overrated.
This series is a good example, with some folks pushing hard for a narrative in his favor that isn't there. Miami didn't even outscore Chicago when LeBron was on the floor. As brilliant as he was in Game 3 by making simple plays and keeping the offense flowing, he stifled a ton of possessions tonight.
He was a -1, and that figure was a -7 before the end of game free throw attempts happened. By comparison, Miami outscored Chicago by 36 points in the 26 minutes that Mike Miller played. Haslem was a +25.
He has the luxury of playing great basketball every two or three games and still winning, because odds are someone else will pick up the slack. He's always gonna put the stats up because he has the ball in his hands so much, but the overall offense suffers because of it. (except in Game 3, when he was brilliant)
The difference in this series has been the tremendous suckitude of Derrick Rose.
Originally posted by Brew:
Derrick Rose's FG % is disgusting. Then he has more to's than assists.
How he comes up in league MVP talks is beyond me
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Reading Michael Jordan/Jerry Rice worshipers talking about not liking LeBron because he's a douchebag as a person was pretty damn awesome. I only "sports hate" LeBron, because he's both a rival, and someone whose on court impact I think is grossly overrated.
This series is a good example, with some folks pushing hard for a narrative in his favor that isn't there. Miami didn't even outscore Chicago when LeBron was on the floor. As brilliant as he was in Game 3 by making simple plays and keeping the offense flowing, he stifled a ton of possessions tonight.
He was a -1, and that figure was a -7 before the end of game free throw attempts happened. By comparison, Miami outscored Chicago by 36 points in the 26 minutes that Mike Miller played. Haslem was a +25.
He has the luxury of playing great basketball every two or three games and still winning, because odds are someone else will pick up the slack. He's always gonna put the stats up because he has the ball in his hands so much, but the overall offense suffers because of it. (except in Game 3, when he was brilliant)
The difference in this series has been the tremendous suckitude of Derrick Rose.
Haha yea, I don't even understand why ppl care that a player is a douche?
Anyway, I agree that Lebron didn't have as good a game last night offensively - but when you play 44+ minutes out of 48 in a tie game - it's tough to be + for the game. Derrick Rose played fewer minutes than Lebron and was completely gassed by the end of regulation, and Lebron was giving 110% on the defensive end as well, whereas Rose is guarding Bibby or Chalmers mostly. That's been the most impressive thing about James. He is playin' ridiculous amounts of minutes, and is still great in the 4th quarter.
...and again, when it really mattered - Lebron delivered, on both ends of the floor, scoring wise and making the right passes, and then playing terrific defense on Rose down the stretch. Honestly, Rose has gotten maybe couple of easy baskets in each of the last 3 games and that's it. Miami's defense in playoffs is one of the best I've seen in recent times.
In the last 3 games, Bulls/Rose haven't figured out what to do. Does he need to be more aggressive? Does he need to pass the ball? They have tried both, and neither strategy resulted in a win, or found much success in the 4th quarter. Miami's D is the single biggest reason for the playoff success so far, and it starts with D-Wade and Lebron James.
This is the best I've seen Lebron play defense. He has been a pretty decent defender last few years, but he has been special this year...and that has def. hurt his efficiency on the other side a little bit - but I'll take that when your defense can restrict the other team around 90 pts consistently.
Originally posted by Brew:
Derrick Rose's FG % is disgusting. Then he has more to's than assists.
How he comes up in league MVP talks is beyond me
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Haha yea, I don't even understand why ppl care that a player is a douche?
Anyway, I agree that Lebron didn't have as good a game last night offensively - but when you play 44+ minutes out of 48 in a tie game - it's tough to be + for the game. Derrick Rose played fewer minutes than Lebron and was completely gassed by the end of regulation, and Lebron was giving 110% on the defensive end as well, whereas Rose is guarding Bibby or Chalmers mostly. That's been the most impressive thing about James. He is playin' ridiculous amounts of minutes, and is still great in the 4th quarter.
...and again, when it really mattered - Lebron delivered, on both ends of the floor, scoring wise and making the right passes, and then playing terrific defense on Rose down the stretch. Honestly, Rose has gotten maybe couple of easy baskets in each of the last 3 games and that's it. Miami's defense in playoffs is one of the best I've seen in recent times.
In the last 3 games, Bulls/Rose haven't figured out what to do. Does he need to be more aggressive? Does he need to pass the ball? They have tried both, and neither strategy resulted in a win, or found much success in the 4th quarter. Miami's D is the single biggest reason for the playoff success so far, and it starts with D-Wade and Lebron James.
This is the best I've seen Lebron play defense. He has been a pretty decent defender last few years, but he has been special this year...and that has def. hurt his efficiency on the other side a little bit - but I'll take that when your defense can restrict the other team around 90 pts consistently.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Haha yea, I don't even understand why ppl care that a player is a douche?
Anyway, I agree that Lebron didn't have as good a game last night offensively - but when you play 44+ minutes out of 48 in a tie game - it's tough to be + for the game. Derrick Rose played fewer minutes than Lebron and was completely gassed by the end of regulation, and Lebron was giving 110% on the defensive end as well, whereas Rose is guarding Bibby or Chalmers mostly. That's been the most impressive thing about James. He is playin' ridiculous amounts of minutes, and is still great in the 4th quarter.
...and again, when it really mattered - Lebron delivered, on both ends of the floor, scoring wise and making the right passes, and then playing terrific defense on Rose down the stretch. Honestly, Rose has gotten maybe couple of easy baskets in each of the last 3 games and that's it. Miami's defense in playoffs is one of the best I've seen in recent times.
In the last 3 games, Bulls/Rose haven't figured out what to do. Does he need to be more aggressive? Does he need to pass the ball? They have tried both, and neither strategy resulted in a win, or found much success in the 4th quarter. Miami's D is the single biggest reason for the playoff success so far, and it starts with D-Wade and Lebron James.
This is the best I've seen Lebron play defense. He has been a pretty decent defender last few years, but he has been special this year...and that has def. hurt his efficiency on the other side a little bit - but I'll take that when your defense can restrict the other team around 90 pts consistently.
I disagree that he's been coming through down the stretch on both ends when it matters. Miami got exactly 2 points in the last 2 minutes of regulation, on a look that Bosh created on his own. This included an offensive foul with 8 seconds left, when LeBron had no business doing that with that much time left on the clock and it jeopardized the game. Neither he nor Miami has been very good in crunch time in this series on the offensive end, but the Bulls have been much worse. He's been great on the other side on the defensive end, as the entire team has been in 4th quarters and in the clutch. When the other team isn't scoring at all, eventually you're going to make some plays on the offensive end that win the game.
Miami's D IS the biggest single reason for their playoff success. I agree. The Bulls are averaging 15.7 points per 4th quarter in the last 3 games. LeBron has been phenomenal defensively, but so has Wade, Anthony, & Chalmers. Rose being God awful is the difference in this series, and (as you said) he's being mostly guarded by Bibby/Chalmers and whichever big is defending the pick and roll.
Originally posted by samoan49er:
I think the biggest reason why Rose is having such a horrible series is the offense they are running. The Bulls have been so focused on running their plays on most possessions that good shots are being passed up so they can run the play. Also, the insistance on running pick and roll with Noah has been unsuccessful. Yes Bibby/Chalmers have been guarding Rose, but everytime they run the pick, one of the Heat bigs are always there to double up on Rose, and Noah isn't taking that jumper anymore. They should definitely run more iso, not exclusively, but more.
This whole series so far has been a battle of defenses, and so far, the Heat have been better. Omer Asik is apparently out for the rest of the postseason, which could be a good thing for the Bulls because now Kurt Thomas can get some run. With Thomas, the Bulls can run the pick and pop game, since he can actually hit a jump shot.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Haha yea, I don't even understand why ppl care that a player is a douche?
Anyway, I agree that Lebron didn't have as good a game last night offensively - but when you play 44+ minutes out of 48 in a tie game - it's tough to be + for the game. Derrick Rose played fewer minutes than Lebron and was completely gassed by the end of regulation, and Lebron was giving 110% on the defensive end as well, whereas Rose is guarding Bibby or Chalmers mostly. That's been the most impressive thing about James. He is playin' ridiculous amounts of minutes, and is still great in the 4th quarter.
...and again, when it really mattered - Lebron delivered, on both ends of the floor, scoring wise and making the right passes, and then playing terrific defense on Rose down the stretch. Honestly, Rose has gotten maybe couple of easy baskets in each of the last 3 games and that's it. Miami's defense in playoffs is one of the best I've seen in recent times.
In the last 3 games, Bulls/Rose haven't figured out what to do. Does he need to be more aggressive? Does he need to pass the ball? They have tried both, and neither strategy resulted in a win, or found much success in the 4th quarter. Miami's D is the single biggest reason for the playoff success so far, and it starts with D-Wade and Lebron James.
This is the best I've seen Lebron play defense. He has been a pretty decent defender last few years, but he has been special this year...and that has def. hurt his efficiency on the other side a little bit - but I'll take that when your defense can restrict the other team around 90 pts consistently.
I disagree that he's been coming through down the stretch on both ends when it matters. Miami got exactly 2 points in the last 2 minutes of regulation, on a look that Bosh created on his own. This included an offensive foul with 8 seconds left, when LeBron had no business doing that with that much time left on the clock and it jeopardized the game. Neither he nor Miami has been very good in crunch time in this series on the offensive end, but the Bulls have been much worse. He's been great on the other side on the defensive end, as the entire team has been in 4th quarters and in the clutch. When the other team isn't scoring at all, eventually you're going to make some plays on the offensive end that win the game.
Miami's D IS the biggest single reason for their playoff success. I agree. The Bulls are averaging 15.7 points per 4th quarter in the last 3 games. LeBron has been phenomenal defensively, but so has Wade, Anthony, & Chalmers. Rose being God awful is the difference in this series, and (as you said) he's being mostly guarded by Bibby/Chalmers and whichever big is defending the pick and roll.
Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Haha yea, I don't even understand why ppl care that a player is a douche?
Anyway, I agree that Lebron didn't have as good a game last night offensively - but when you play 44+ minutes out of 48 in a tie game - it's tough to be + for the game. Derrick Rose played fewer minutes than Lebron and was completely gassed by the end of regulation, and Lebron was giving 110% on the defensive end as well, whereas Rose is guarding Bibby or Chalmers mostly. That's been the most impressive thing about James. He is playin' ridiculous amounts of minutes, and is still great in the 4th quarter.
...and again, when it really mattered - Lebron delivered, on both ends of the floor, scoring wise and making the right passes, and then playing terrific defense on Rose down the stretch. Honestly, Rose has gotten maybe couple of easy baskets in each of the last 3 games and that's it. Miami's defense in playoffs is one of the best I've seen in recent times.
In the last 3 games, Bulls/Rose haven't figured out what to do. Does he need to be more aggressive? Does he need to pass the ball? They have tried both, and neither strategy resulted in a win, or found much success in the 4th quarter. Miami's D is the single biggest reason for the playoff success so far, and it starts with D-Wade and Lebron James.
This is the best I've seen Lebron play defense. He has been a pretty decent defender last few years, but he has been special this year...and that has def. hurt his efficiency on the other side a little bit - but I'll take that when your defense can restrict the other team around 90 pts consistently.
I disagree that he's been coming through down the stretch on both ends when it matters. Miami got exactly 2 points in the last 2 minutes of regulation, on a look that Bosh created on his own. This included an offensive foul with 8 seconds left, when LeBron had no business doing that with that much time left on the clock and it jeopardized the game. Neither he nor Miami has been very good in crunch time in this series on the offensive end, but the Bulls have been much worse. He's been great on the other side on the defensive end, as the entire team has been in 4th quarters and in the clutch. When the other team isn't scoring at all, eventually you're going to make some plays on the offensive end that win the game.
Miami's D IS the biggest single reason for their playoff success. I agree. The Bulls are averaging 15.7 points per 4th quarter in the last 3 games. LeBron has been phenomenal defensively, but so has Wade, Anthony, & Chalmers. Rose being God awful is the difference in this series, and (as you said) he's being mostly guarded by Bibby/Chalmers and whichever big is defending the pick and roll.
James in the 4th quarter this series:
Game 1: 3 of teams 19 points: loss
Game 2: 10 of the teams 14 points
Game 3: 10 of teams 28 points
Game 4: 7 of the 22 teams points and 6 of teams 16 points in OT
In the last three games, James has been the most consistent offensive player for the Heat in the 4th quarter. Championship caliber teams always have a different player here and there who comes through during the series (Haslem, Bosh, and Miller) but James has been the only consistent player in just about every game in the 4th quarter which is what teams with great players always have.