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Jan 2, 2020 at 11:27 AM
Originally posted by evil:
Surprisingly you left a few things out:

Harbaugh is 0-5 VS tOSU.
Harbaugh has yet to win a Big 10 title.
Harbaugh is 1-4 in Bowl games.

Fans and boosters patience is growing very thin.

If he put in those previous coaches record there it wouldn't be any better. The things you guys bash JH for have been UM problems for awhile. They're 2-19 v OSU, haven't won the Big 10 since 03. It's not 1980 anymore.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Jan 2, 2020 at 11:30 AM ]
Jan 2, 2020 at 11:34 AM
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by evil:
Surprisingly you left a few things out:

Harbaugh is 0-5 VS tOSU.
Harbaugh has yet to win a Big 10 title.
Harbaugh is 1-4 in Bowl games.

Fans and boosters patience is growing very thin.

If he put in those previous coaches record there it wouldn't be any better. The things you guys bash JH for have been UM problems for awhile. They're 2-19 v OSU, haven't won the Big 10 since 03. It's not 1980 anymore.

Fans aren't going to make that comparison. Fans are going to be looking at the Ohio State results and the bowl games. Not saying they will sack him yet but the clock is surely ticking. But why can't Harbaugh make half time adjustments? He couldn't with us, either.
Jan 2, 2020 at 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by evil:
Surprisingly you left a few things out:

Harbaugh is 0-5 VS tOSU.
Harbaugh has yet to win a Big 10 title.
Harbaugh is 1-4 in Bowl games.

Fans and boosters patience is growing very thin.

If he put in those previous coaches record there it wouldn't be any better. The things you guys bash JH for have been UM problems for awhile. They're 2-19 v OSU, haven't won the Big 10 since 03. It's not 1980 anymore.

Fans aren't going to make that comparison. Fans are going to be looking at the Ohio State results and the bowl games. Not saying they will sack him yet but the clock is surely ticking. But why can't Harbaugh make half time adjustments? He couldn't with us, either.

Guess you didn't watch the game. They completely changed the game plan from the 1st to 2nd half. It didn't work. Should have stuck to the run.
Jan 2, 2020 at 11:38 AM
Originally posted by English:
Fans aren't going to make that comparison. Fans are going to be looking at the Ohio State results and the bowl games. Not saying they will sack him yet but the clock is surely ticking. But why can't Harbaugh make half time adjustments? He couldn't with us, either.

I live in the region. They know it. Sure they'll look elsewhere since you have to but the reason he hasn't been canned yet despite losing 5 straight is because the program knows they aren't once what they were and are willing to settle for the dollars OH brings. If this was 15 years ago that coach would of been canned 2 years ago.
Jan 2, 2020 at 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by evil:
Surprisingly you left a few things out:

Harbaugh is 0-5 VS tOSU.
Harbaugh has yet to win a Big 10 title.
Harbaugh is 1-4 in Bowl games.

Fans and boosters patience is growing very thin.

If he put in those previous coaches record there it wouldn't be any better. The things you guys bash JH for have been UM problems for awhile.

If Jim can't fix those things then shouldn't Jim be replaced with someone who can?
Jan 2, 2020 at 11:50 AM
Originally posted by evil:
If Jim can't fix those things then shouldn't Jim be replaced with someone who can?

If no one can fix it then what? You run out a winning/ profitable coach because of delusions. Indiana can want to win the national title all they want but they're Indiana. It's not happening. UM is not Indiana there's a much higher bar but it's not as high as their peak and for now they're settling for what they can. I don't see that lasting forever but the difference between OSU/ elite programs and UM is growing and not stopping anytime soon.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Jan 2, 2020 at 11:55 AM ]
Jan 2, 2020 at 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Jamespowers:
Athletic Dept. & Boosters at MIch. praying Harbs takes an NFL Job.

They would be stupid to do that.

Before Harbaugh:

2008: 3-9
2009: 5-7
2010: 7-6
2011: 11-2
2012: 8-5
2013: 7-6
2014: 5-7

Harbaugh:

2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 8-5
2018: 10-3
2019: 9-4

they aren't paying him to just win 10 games. He's one of the highest paid coaches because they expect him to win the conference and compete for a national championship. They expect him to beat OSU and win bowl games.

I wouldn't move away from JH because in the end, winning 10 games a year and finishing in the top 25 is still solid. But he's getting paid to do more.

And LOL at Wu saying the transfer he brought in wasn't his recruit. Like JH was forced to take the transfer.
Jan 2, 2020 at 12:03 PM
The guy loses alot of big games, just saying...
Jan 2, 2020 at 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
they aren't paying him to just win 10 games. He's one of the highest paid coaches because they expect him to win the conference and compete for a national championship. They expect him to beat OSU and win bowl games.

I wouldn't move away from JH because in the end, winning 10 games a year and finishing in the top 25 is still solid. But he's getting paid to do more.

And LOL at Wu saying the transfer he brought in wasn't his recruit. Like JH was forced to take the transfer.

He openly recruited Patterson to come to Michigan. Was his handpicked guy.
Jan 2, 2020 at 12:22 PM
Originally posted by SoCold:
Of course you can teach. Does the guy get it? Can he apply what he's learned to the game?
How many times have you seen a negative for a QB be, "lacks deep ball accuracy"

You can teach a pitcher a curve ball that doesn't mean he'll be good at it.

Also Ben McDaniels is the QB coach. Maybe we should tell him he sucks for not teaching Shea good enough.

lolz

Shea has a strong enough arm though. Generally the lack deep ball accuracy guys lack the arm to get it there.

Never said anyone sucked. Just pointing out he's not been developed to a high enough level given his talent. I think Shanny could bring more out of him if given the chance. Doesn't mean he'll ever be an NFL starter.

Jan 2, 2020 at 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by SoCold:
Of course you can teach. Does the guy get it? Can he apply what he's learned to the game?
How many times have you seen a negative for a QB be, "lacks deep ball accuracy"

You can teach a pitcher a curve ball that doesn't mean he'll be good at it.

Also Ben McDaniels is the QB coach. Maybe we should tell him he sucks for not teaching Shea good enough.

lolz

Shea has a strong enough arm though. Generally the lack deep ball accuracy guys lack the arm to get it there.

Never said anyone sucked. Just pointing out he's not been developed to a high enough level given his talent. I think Shanny could bring more out of him if given the chance. Doesn't mean he'll ever be an NFL starter.

Hey Jameis Winston has had 100 coaches and just threw 30 INTs. Anything is possible.
Jan 2, 2020 at 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Jcool:
They would be stupid to do that.

Before Harbaugh:

2008: 3-9
2009: 5-7
2010: 7-6
2011: 11-2
2012: 8-5
2013: 7-6
2014: 5-7

Harbaugh:

2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 8-5
2018: 10-3
2019: 9-4

Brady Hoke and Rich Rodriguez were bad coaches. No argument. But why can't Michigan find the next Dabo Sweeney or Kirby Smart?

Same argument could've been used to say Mark Richt should've been retained. All comes down to what you are ok with.
Jan 2, 2020 at 1:56 PM
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by evil:
Surprisingly you left a few things out:

Harbaugh is 0-5 VS tOSU.
Harbaugh has yet to win a Big 10 title.
Harbaugh is 1-4 in Bowl games.

Fans and boosters patience is growing very thin.

If he put in those previous coaches record there it wouldn't be any better. The things you guys bash JH for have been UM problems for awhile. They're 2-19 v OSU, haven't won the Big 10 since 03. It's not 1980 anymore.

Fans aren't going to make that comparison. Fans are going to be looking at the Ohio State results and the bowl games. Not saying they will sack him yet but the clock is surely ticking. But why can't Harbaugh make half time adjustments? He couldn't with us, either.

Guess you didn't watch the game. They completely changed the game plan from the 1st to 2nd half. It didn't work. Should have stuck to the run.

English should've asked why cant he make good half time adjustments. Making half time adjustments isn't something special, even Tomsula made half time adjustments, but they were s**t. Harbaughs arent s**t, but sure aren't good.
Jan 2, 2020 at 2:11 PM
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by evil:
Surprisingly you left a few things out:

Harbaugh is 0-5 VS tOSU.
Harbaugh has yet to win a Big 10 title.
Harbaugh is 1-4 in Bowl games.

Fans and boosters patience is growing very thin.

If he put in those previous coaches record there it wouldn't be any better. The things you guys bash JH for have been UM problems for awhile. They're 2-19 v OSU, haven't won the Big 10 since 03. It's not 1980 anymore.

Fans aren't going to make that comparison. Fans are going to be looking at the Ohio State results and the bowl games. Not saying they will sack him yet but the clock is surely ticking. But why can't Harbaugh make half time adjustments? He couldn't with us, either.

Guess you didn't watch the game. They completely changed the game plan from the 1st to 2nd half. It didn't work. Should have stuck to the run.

[ Edited by English on Jan 2, 2020 at 2:16 PM ]
Jan 2, 2020 at 3:12 PM
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
If no one can fix it then what? You run out a winning/ profitable coach because of delusions. Indiana can want to win the national title all they want but they're Indiana. It's not happening. UM is not Indiana there's a much higher bar but it's not as high as their peak and for now they're settling for what they can. I don't see that lasting forever but the difference between OSU/ elite programs and UM is growing and not stopping anytime soon.

There are coaches who can do better though, but finding that coach is no easy task. He has to be able to put together a solid staff that can coach and recruit.

Michigan and Notre Dame (I am an Irish fan) are in the same boat really. Both have coaches who are good but not great and cannot get them over that hump and back to being the true powerhouse programs they should be.
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