Originally posted by foreign49er:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by foreign49er:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by crzy:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Somewhere around 40% of NBA players have criminal records (according to that book). I'd say the # is around 25% or lower for the NFL.
That's a bunch of bulls**t statistics made up by a guy with an agenda to demonize the NBA.
Maybe so, but it's ridiculous to think that the NBA has a lower % of criminals than the NFL.
How so?
There are two books written on the subject, one for the NFL and one for the NBA (2004 i think). The numbers in those books found that 21% for NFL players and 40% for NBA. Why those numbers would be considered "biased" or backed by an agenda, I don't know. Regardless, it's a study and people can't just throw it out the window and say they don't believe it. What other data do we have other than our opinions?
If you DO want to go to opinion, then it doesn't take more than simple intuition to know that the NBA is filled with more "thugs" than the NFL. I could write an essay on the reasons why I believe that is so...
I saw this also and believe the data is correct. There were two books on two sports, not just one book bashing an individual sport. Crzy, I don't understand how you can accuse other people of having agendas when you obviously have the biggest agenda in this thread.
I don't agree with the last paragraph.
Oh, come on! Let's not act like the amount of thugs, or the percentage of thugs, is a significant difference. The NFL has so many thugs, I could sit here and list them all day. The NBA might have a higher percentage, but if the NFL had 15 players per team, the numbers would be similar. Hell, give the NBA kickers and punters, and their stats drop.
So let's stop acting like the NFL is some league where thugs are an anomaly, and it's the norm in the NBA. They both have thugs. They both have a significant amount. But one scares white people more because you can see their scary faces and tattoos.
It is... The more people you have the more chance that there is to have criminals. The fact that the NBA has less people and a higher percentage is very telling.
The percentages say that's untrue. If the percentages were the same that would be a valid argument. Take Kickers and Punters off teams. That's around 1446 players now instead of around 1500. The NBA still has around 600 (at most) players giving each team two more players. You're reaching for straws there. The percentage is almost double even though the NBA has almost a third of the players as the NFL.
I never said that. I never said the NFL didn't have a problem with thugs. That's a big assumption to think that I feel that way.
I don't like the NBA because the officiating is horrible/biased and a majority of the players I watch seem more interested in looking good (both physically and Ego-wise[for lack of a better phrase]) than winning.
You want to look at numbers not percentages? There are more players that have records in the NFL? The NFL also has more players without records than the NBA does. There are more players in the NFL without a criminal record than there are players in the entire NBA, according to those books. . So, according to your logic, the NFL is full of saints right?
I never said anything about looking at numbers instead of percentages. I just said that the percentages were likely insignificant. The kicker/punter thing was a joke.
I don't think you get my point. They're equally thuggish, but there's something else that makes you feel the NBA is worse. It isn't criminal records, because you don't know what their crimes are. You're just citing that data to try to prove your point.
Then, you mention personal appearance, which is my guess as to why the NBA is considered worse. On an NFL player, you can't see more than some shin, and a little forearm. So you just avoided, up until this point, why you really feel that way, and it's because of appearance.