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Orlando Magic 2009 Eastern Conference Champions Offseason Thread

  • Dino
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Magic To Pursue Rasheed Wallace, Brandon Bass


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Now that they have landed All-Star Vince Carter and all but said goodbye to Hedo Turkoglu, the Orlando Magic will try to rebuild their supporting cast by targeting a pair of vastly different free-agent frontcourt players.

After losing to the Lakers and their big front line in the NBA Finals, the Magic are expected to make offers next week in free agency to both veteran Rasheed Wallace of Detroit and young Brandon Bass of Dallas, according to two NBA sources.




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Originally posted by Dino:
Magic To Pursue Rasheed Wallace, Brandon Bass


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Now that they have landed All-Star Vince Carter and all but said goodbye to Hedo Turkoglu, the Orlando Magic will try to rebuild their supporting cast by targeting a pair of vastly different free-agent frontcourt players.

After losing to the Lakers and their big front line in the NBA Finals, the Magic are expected to make offers next week in free agency to both veteran Rasheed Wallace of Detroit and young Brandon Bass of Dallas, according to two NBA sources.




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I like Sheed, but Bass is younger and would help D12. I wouldnt mind either player..............or both?
Originally posted by jrg:
I think alot of people are looking at the Carter trade in the wrong way.

Hedo knows he can get money now yes, but he wants a ring..he wants to play for a team who he thinks can contend (notice his name hasn't been involved w/ below average teams)..he wants a ring. Orlando's main downfall last year was their SG position..sure, in a few years Lee will be great..but what about now. We have this team now and we are LOADED with talent..we need something that will put us over the top (obviously we didn't have that last year)..acquiring a LEGIT SG to prove to Hedo that Otis Smith and the Magic are serious, may sway Hedo's decision again. You think he wants to go to a team like Portland and MAYBE win 50 games? Or does he want to play for a NBA CHAMPIONSHIP THREAT like Orlando and win 60+ games?

Sure, money talks..and Orlando is willing to use their LT to give him what he wants to win a title.

His job is to play basketball for $$$

It is a limited career, you may think it makes sense to take a pay cut, but for him it doesnt especially since his contract is where the bulk of his $$ comes from.

Why would he sign a small 1 year deal and risk injury and being assed out of tens of millions of dollars?

I say he leaves for a max contract with another contender
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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by Dino:
Magic To Pursue Rasheed Wallace, Brandon Bass


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Now that they have landed All-Star Vince Carter and all but said goodbye to Hedo Turkoglu, the Orlando Magic will try to rebuild their supporting cast by targeting a pair of vastly different free-agent frontcourt players.

After losing to the Lakers and their big front line in the NBA Finals, the Magic are expected to make offers next week in free agency to both veteran Rasheed Wallace of Detroit and young Brandon Bass of Dallas, according to two NBA sources.




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I like Sheed, but Bass is younger and would help D12. I wouldnt mind either player..............or both?

Sign em both!

We need someone to replace Battie and possibly Gortat.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by jrg:
I think alot of people are looking at the Carter trade in the wrong way.

Hedo knows he can get money now yes, but he wants a ring..he wants to play for a team who he thinks can contend (notice his name hasn't been involved w/ below average teams)..he wants a ring. Orlando's main downfall last year was their SG position..sure, in a few years Lee will be great..but what about now. We have this team now and we are LOADED with talent..we need something that will put us over the top (obviously we didn't have that last year)..acquiring a LEGIT SG to prove to Hedo that Otis Smith and the Magic are serious, may sway Hedo's decision again. You think he wants to go to a team like Portland and MAYBE win 50 games? Or does he want to play for a NBA CHAMPIONSHIP THREAT like Orlando and win 60+ games?

Sure, money talks..and Orlando is willing to use their LT to give him what he wants to win a title.

His job is to play basketball for $$$

It is a limited career, you may think it makes sense to take a pay cut, but for him it doesnt especially since his contract is where the bulk of his $$ comes from.

Why would he sign a small 1 year deal and risk injury and being assed out of tens of millions of dollars?

I say he leaves for a max contract with another contender

not to mention, you compared a western conference team to an eastern.

Portland would win 50 plus in the east.

vince hasnt been the same for a few years. i dont know if i like this at all for your magic...
  • jrg
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Originally posted by skeetskeet:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by jrg:
I think alot of people are looking at the Carter trade in the wrong way.

Hedo knows he can get money now yes, but he wants a ring..he wants to play for a team who he thinks can contend (notice his name hasn't been involved w/ below average teams)..he wants a ring. Orlando's main downfall last year was their SG position..sure, in a few years Lee will be great..but what about now. We have this team now and we are LOADED with talent..we need something that will put us over the top (obviously we didn't have that last year)..acquiring a LEGIT SG to prove to Hedo that Otis Smith and the Magic are serious, may sway Hedo's decision again. You think he wants to go to a team like Portland and MAYBE win 50 games? Or does he want to play for a NBA CHAMPIONSHIP THREAT like Orlando and win 60+ games?

Sure, money talks..and Orlando is willing to use their LT to give him what he wants to win a title.

His job is to play basketball for $$$

It is a limited career, you may think it makes sense to take a pay cut, but for him it doesnt especially since his contract is where the bulk of his $$ comes from.

Why would he sign a small 1 year deal and risk injury and being assed out of tens of millions of dollars?

I say he leaves for a max contract with another contender

not to mention, you compared a western conference team to an eastern.

Portland would win 50 plus in the east.

vince hasnt been the same for a few years. i dont know if i like this at all for your magic...

Lol, this makes us a better team...but alright.
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Keep Hedo, sign Rasheed Wallace. Guaranteed championship.

Pretty straight forward.
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Originally posted by crzy:
Keep Hedo, sign Rasheed Wallace. Guaranteed championship.

Pretty straight forward.

We're already championship material..but even if we manage to JUST sign Hedo, we pretty much have to be favorites coming into the season.

I really hope we can keep Hedo.
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Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by crzy:
Keep Hedo, sign Rasheed Wallace. Guaranteed championship.

Pretty straight forward.

We're already championship material..but even if we manage to JUST sign Hedo, we pretty much have to be favorites coming into the season.

I really hope we can keep Hedo.

You aren't better than the Lakers until you get another big man like Sheed.

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Great article comparing VC to Hedo (in the clutch)

If Hedo walks and VC is tasked to take over his role, what would we be missing? will we miss Hedo's clutch shots in the 4th? Apparently not.

This is what SVG said in the press conference:

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"[W]e really didn't have a guy who you could give him the ball up top, on the wing, at the elbow, one-on-one and go get a shot or draw a second defender. We had out of pick-and-rolls or out of post-ups, I think with Vince, you can give him the ball anywhere on the floor and he can isolate and create a shot either for himself or for a teammate on his own.

"Plus, if you look at the numbers like we do all the time and I don't think that he's got enough credit for this, Vince has been throughout his career, one of the best fourth quarter and end-of-game guys in this league, in terms of production. He's been a guy that has always come through down the stretch in games. I think that's huge."


Now comparing their clutch stats (where clutch is defined as the last 5minutes of the 4th and/or Overtime)

Per 48 minutes
Carter - 34.3ppg, 5.5rpg, 4.3apg, 50% FG. 50% 3P-FG
Hedo - 26.6ppg, 9.3rpg, 3.6apg, 35.7% FG, 20% 3P-FG

the only advantage of hedo over vc in the clutch is his rebounding. but that's a given considering his size.

the article also mentions something about ryan anderson. here is svg's take on him for those who didnt watch the press conference:

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"I think another part of this deal with Ryan Anderson was crucial. I think what we had, and you guys watched it this year, was when Rashard [Lewis] came out of the game and we went to the bench, we really had to play a different way because we then could not spread the floor out. And when we tried to move Rashard back to the three, you couldn't stretch the floor with your four, so he couldn't get any room and now you get another guy that can really stretch the floor, and I think it gives us even more flexibility to both swing Rashard back to the three or when Rashard is back on the bench getting a rest, which he didn't get much of, we can play the same way. So I think that's crucial as well."

Anderson basically replaces battie's role. anderson grabs 14.1% of available rebounds when he's on the floor compared to battie's 13.0%. and as most of us know, he has a good outside shot. his effective FG% on jumpers is 50.6%, a vast improvement over battie's 41.0% and just slightly below rashard's 52.6%. his downside? it seems he can't finish that well around the rim. he only converted 39.3% of his shots from around the basket.

[ Edited by jrg on Jun 27, 2009 at 14:09:19 ]
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If we don't sign Hedo..hopefully we can do some sort of sign and trade..maybe w/ Utah?

Hedo for Paul Milsap?

Regardless, moving Rashard back to SF to face SF's instead of bigger PF's would be HUGE for Rashard.
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Also we added Ryan Anderson..he is a very underrated part of the trade we made.

He just turned 21 and averaged 7/5 in 20 as a rookie, he shot a solid 37 percent from 3 and averaged an assist and steal as well.

He has some very intriguing upside, his 3 point release is extremely quick, you figure if he plays 22-25 MPG for us next year he can give us 10/7 type production off the bench taking time at the 3 and 4 positions. It will be very interesting to watch how he plays he seems to fit our style very well
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According to Chris Broussard, Hedo is gone for sure.

He thinks Hedo is goes to Detroit with Boozer.

Watch the vid
Originally posted by Dino:
According to Chris Broussard, Hedo is gone for sure.

He thinks Hedo is goes to Detroit with Boozer.

Watch the vid

Thank you...lol, there had to be a reason for VC...

By the way, if you do get Sheed and keep Hedo...great Jesus...I will give you the trophy from Kobes house myself...lol
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