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2009 Golden State Warriors Off-Season Thread
Apr 17, 2009 at 12:00 AM
- ritchie
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As has been the case for the majority of the Cohan ownership, we are once again looking forward to the Draft lottery and Off season changes.
At least we're consistent in our losing.
Welcome my friends, lets talk.
At least we're consistent in our losing.
Welcome my friends, lets talk.
Apr 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM
- AC49er
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Dump: Nellie, Crawford, Cohan
Hire: Any coach that stresses defense
Trade: Magette, Monta, Wright, Marco, Jackson
Sign: Okur/Artest/Marion, Kidd
Draft: A true PG, Depth at F
Play: Rookie PG/Kidd, Morrow, Okur/Artest/Marion, Randolph, Beans
Hire: Any coach that stresses defense
Trade: Magette, Monta, Wright, Marco, Jackson
Sign: Okur/Artest/Marion, Kidd
Draft: A true PG, Depth at F
Play: Rookie PG/Kidd, Morrow, Okur/Artest/Marion, Randolph, Beans
Apr 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM
- ritchie
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From bleacher report (bolded are my comments):
Centers:
Andris Biedrins ( Assuming he does not get traded)
- Refine offensive game by applying new moves under the basket.
- Become a mainstay defensive presence. AKA, stop playing the pick and roll so gotdamn high Andris!!!
- Learn to have an alternative plan for opposing players who shut him down during games.
Ronny Turiaf
- Focus extensively on the rebounding area of his game. Offensive rebounds yes, although on the defensive end, I can't really blame him. Our guards allow so much penetration that Ronny ends up helping and being out of position.
- Become a reliable offensive producer when replacing Biedrins.
- Learn to work more under the basket and work on perfecting his jump shot.
Power Forwards:
Anthony Randolph (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Learn to start the break himself and execute it efficiently.
- Work on becoming under control over the basket. In other words, does not have to jump for every rebound and pick-up un-necessary fouls. This does not undermine his terrific energy. I'd like to add, stop falling for the pump fake.
- MUST make the jumpshot part of his game.
- Learn to conserve his energy on the court.
- Become a defensive presence.
Good help defender, but not a very good man to man defender. Gets backed in, but I think thats lack of strength. He'll get better at this as he gets stronger.
Brandan Wright (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Has to hit the weight room and add some much needed bulk. This will certainly aid in boxing out against bigger opposing players. He didn't look any bigger at the beginning of this season, very disappointing. Trade bait.
- Has to become a consistent rebounder.
- Learn to protect the basket better and move his feet against his man on the defensive end of the court.
Jermareo Davidson and Rob Kurz - Too little time on the floor to observe. Bye Rob! Jermareo might stay according to Nellie as the 3rd center.
Small Forwards:
Stephen Jackson
- Limit or improve ball-handling. This, in turn, will bring down his turnover numbers
- Limit talking to officials on useless plays. AND, get back on D instead of complaining.
- Learn to take smart shots instead of "jacking-up" threes with 20 seconds left on the clock.
- Learn to become a leader! As the homie Method would say "IKIAM"
- Continue his formidable defensive game. Formidable? ROFLMAO. He plays D when he feels like it.
Corey Maggette (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Play defense.
- Pass whenever possible (averaging 1.8 assists) Is this possible?
- Keep going to the line!
- Stop "attempting" to take charges.
-Refine jump shot.
-Get traded
Kelenna Azubuike
- Learn to stop on a dime and shoot a mid-range jumper.
- Become more of a defensive reliability.
- Learn to finish at the rim better.
- Continue his amazing rebounding performance.
- Learn to make plays for his teammates.
Shooting guards/Point guards
Anthony Morrow
- Extensive work on his ball-handling ability.
- Extensive work on his drives to the basket and his first step.
- Learn to shoot better, his stroke is absolutely horrible (Currently, best three-point shooter in the league). This guy sucks at sarcasm.
- Extensive work on layups.
- Extensive work on defending and contesting.
I didn't think Morrow was that bad on these things (except his ball handling). Definitely a keeper, although if he ever hits the FA market, he will get snatched up in a hurry. This guy would kill on a contender.
Marco Belinelli (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Work on becoming a better distributor.
- Continue to work on his defensive game, which has extensively improved this season.
- Learn to become a consistent shooter.
- Learn to force his way into the rotation.
He's actually gotten better at alot of these things, BUT, he and Wright are most likely to be moved out of the young guys.
Monta Ellis (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Extensive work on defending
- Take care of his body and surgically repaired ankle.
- Attempt to stay away from anything with two wheels on it.
- Working on his consistency in regards to getting his teammates more involved.
THIS IS A MUST!
- Learning how to control a team from a point guard's perspective.
Jamal Crawford (Assuming he does not opt-out)
- Learn not to bail-out opposing defenses with a jump shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.
- Drive to the basket more as he is a 88 percent free throw shooter. Agreed. He settles for the J waaaaaaaaay too much. He is a terrific ball-handler and doesn't take nearly enough advantage of it.
- For his size, defending is a major issue. Crawful will never ever learn how to play D.
- Learn to become a better distributor.
- Opt-Out.
CJ Watson
- As a back-up point guard, consistency is key.
- Avoid reaching in and picking up un-necessary fouls plus putting the load on the helper to contain his own man. CJ also gets lost on defense cause he gets sucked in way too much, leaving shooters open (usually corner 3s). Why does he go under screens so much?
- Learn to become a better shooter off different spots from the floor (not only a three point shooter from the left corner of the court). Actually a nice stop and pop jump shot off the break.
- Learn to use the screen-and-roll more often and find open shooters.
- Buy Japes dinner.
- Go away.
ARTICLE
Centers:
Andris Biedrins ( Assuming he does not get traded)
- Refine offensive game by applying new moves under the basket.
- Become a mainstay defensive presence. AKA, stop playing the pick and roll so gotdamn high Andris!!!
- Learn to have an alternative plan for opposing players who shut him down during games.
Ronny Turiaf
- Focus extensively on the rebounding area of his game. Offensive rebounds yes, although on the defensive end, I can't really blame him. Our guards allow so much penetration that Ronny ends up helping and being out of position.
- Become a reliable offensive producer when replacing Biedrins.
- Learn to work more under the basket and work on perfecting his jump shot.
Power Forwards:
Anthony Randolph (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Learn to start the break himself and execute it efficiently.
- Work on becoming under control over the basket. In other words, does not have to jump for every rebound and pick-up un-necessary fouls. This does not undermine his terrific energy. I'd like to add, stop falling for the pump fake.
- MUST make the jumpshot part of his game.
- Learn to conserve his energy on the court.
- Become a defensive presence.
Good help defender, but not a very good man to man defender. Gets backed in, but I think thats lack of strength. He'll get better at this as he gets stronger.
Brandan Wright (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Has to hit the weight room and add some much needed bulk. This will certainly aid in boxing out against bigger opposing players. He didn't look any bigger at the beginning of this season, very disappointing. Trade bait.
- Has to become a consistent rebounder.
- Learn to protect the basket better and move his feet against his man on the defensive end of the court.
Jermareo Davidson and Rob Kurz - Too little time on the floor to observe. Bye Rob! Jermareo might stay according to Nellie as the 3rd center.
Small Forwards:
Stephen Jackson
- Limit or improve ball-handling. This, in turn, will bring down his turnover numbers
- Limit talking to officials on useless plays. AND, get back on D instead of complaining.
- Learn to take smart shots instead of "jacking-up" threes with 20 seconds left on the clock.
- Learn to become a leader! As the homie Method would say "IKIAM"
- Continue his formidable defensive game. Formidable? ROFLMAO. He plays D when he feels like it.
Corey Maggette (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Play defense.
- Pass whenever possible (averaging 1.8 assists) Is this possible?
- Keep going to the line!
- Stop "attempting" to take charges.
-Refine jump shot.
-Get traded
Kelenna Azubuike
- Learn to stop on a dime and shoot a mid-range jumper.
- Become more of a defensive reliability.
- Learn to finish at the rim better.
- Continue his amazing rebounding performance.
- Learn to make plays for his teammates.
Shooting guards/Point guards
Anthony Morrow
- Extensive work on his ball-handling ability.
- Extensive work on his drives to the basket and his first step.
- Learn to shoot better, his stroke is absolutely horrible (Currently, best three-point shooter in the league). This guy sucks at sarcasm.
- Extensive work on layups.
- Extensive work on defending and contesting.
I didn't think Morrow was that bad on these things (except his ball handling). Definitely a keeper, although if he ever hits the FA market, he will get snatched up in a hurry. This guy would kill on a contender.
Marco Belinelli (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Work on becoming a better distributor.
- Continue to work on his defensive game, which has extensively improved this season.
- Learn to become a consistent shooter.
- Learn to force his way into the rotation.
He's actually gotten better at alot of these things, BUT, he and Wright are most likely to be moved out of the young guys.
Monta Ellis (Assuming he does not get traded)
- Extensive work on defending
- Take care of his body and surgically repaired ankle.
- Attempt to stay away from anything with two wheels on it.
- Working on his consistency in regards to getting his teammates more involved.
THIS IS A MUST!
- Learning how to control a team from a point guard's perspective.
Jamal Crawford (Assuming he does not opt-out)
- Learn not to bail-out opposing defenses with a jump shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.
- Drive to the basket more as he is a 88 percent free throw shooter. Agreed. He settles for the J waaaaaaaaay too much. He is a terrific ball-handler and doesn't take nearly enough advantage of it.
- For his size, defending is a major issue. Crawful will never ever learn how to play D.
- Learn to become a better distributor.
- Opt-Out.
CJ Watson
- As a back-up point guard, consistency is key.
- Avoid reaching in and picking up un-necessary fouls plus putting the load on the helper to contain his own man. CJ also gets lost on defense cause he gets sucked in way too much, leaving shooters open (usually corner 3s). Why does he go under screens so much?
- Learn to become a better shooter off different spots from the floor (not only a three point shooter from the left corner of the court). Actually a nice stop and pop jump shot off the break.
- Learn to use the screen-and-roll more often and find open shooters.
- Buy Japes dinner.
- Go away.
ARTICLE
Apr 17, 2009 at 12:59 AM
- 49erFaithful
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Originally posted by AC49er:
Dump: Nellie, Crawford, Cohan
Hire: Any coach that stresses defense
Trade: Magette, Monta, Wright, Marco, Jackson
Sign: Okur/Artest/Marion, Kidd
Draft: A true PG, Depth at F
Play: Rookie PG/Kidd, Morrow, Okur/Artest/Marion, Randolph, Beans
I'd keep Monta Ellis.
Apr 17, 2009 at 7:54 AM
- crzy
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I care about 8 players on this team in this order
1) Anthony Randolph
2) Andris Biedrins
3) Monta Ellis
4) Anthony Morrow
5) Brandan Wright
6) Marco Belinelli
7) Ronny Turiaf
8) Kelenna Azubuike
Until we figure out a way to dump the rest of the players on this team and truly COMMIT to rebuilding, we will be stuck in another decade of NBA purgatory.
1) Anthony Randolph
2) Andris Biedrins
3) Monta Ellis
4) Anthony Morrow
5) Brandan Wright
6) Marco Belinelli
7) Ronny Turiaf
8) Kelenna Azubuike
Until we figure out a way to dump the rest of the players on this team and truly COMMIT to rebuilding, we will be stuck in another decade of NBA purgatory.
[ Edited by crzy on Jun 21, 2009 at 10:10 AM ]
Apr 17, 2009 at 7:56 AM
- crzy
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Crawford, Maggette, and Jackson
If those three players are on this team next year
If those three players are on this team next year
Apr 17, 2009 at 8:05 AM
- crzy
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Originally posted by AC49er:
Sign: Okur/Artest/Marion, Kidd
First things first, unless Jamal Crawford opts out, we have almost ZERO capspace to sign a free agent.
But even if we did, signing any of those players makes no sense.
Mehmet Okur. Ugh. No thanks.
-After Troy Murphy, I don't want another perimeter-oriented center EVER AGAIN. Especially not one making over $12 million per year.
Ron Artest. No thanks.
-We should have traded for him in 2006. That ship has sailed. Tru Warior has little left to offer a rebuilding team.
Shawn Marion. No thanks
-Not unless he comes with a time machine that transforms him into Shawn Marion of 2005.
Jason Kidd. Not going to happen.
-Not unless he accepts a contract for under $8 million per year and for 3 years or less. He's 36 years old. Why would he want to come a rebuilding team?
Apr 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM
- FredFlintstone
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i want nelson gone period. then hire the celtics assistant coach.
Apr 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM
- crzy
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By going 21-20 at home, and 29-53 overall, the 2008-9 GS Warriors set the all time mark for worst overall record by a team with a winning home record.
Best fans in the NBA
Best fans in the NBA
Apr 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM
- crzy
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We need to lock up Anthony Morrow to a long-term contract ASAP
Apr 17, 2009 at 1:30 PM
- LA9erFan
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Maggette, Wright, & cash for Camby?
Apr 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM
- crzy
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Maggette, Wright, & cash for Camby?
Clippers won't take back Maggette. Mike Dunleavy HATES Corey Maggette.
But I'd do that trade without blinking.
Apr 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM
- angelv05
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
i want nelson gone period. then hire the celtics assistant coach.
Why one of their assistants? The Celtics were good because they had KG, Pierce, and Allen. Doc Rivers is overrated.
Apr 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM
- FredFlintstone
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Originally posted by angelv05:Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
i want nelson gone period. then hire the celtics assistant coach.
Why one of their assistants? The Celtics were good because they had KG, Pierce, and Allen. Doc Rivers is overrated.
ive heard that 1 of the assistant is a major reason why the celtics had the top d last yr. i can really care whos our next coach i just want a guy who preaches d and is able to run a half court offense and not a damn street ball offense
Apr 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM
- LA9erFan
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Originally posted by crzy:Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Maggette, Wright, & cash for Camby?
Clippers won't take back Maggette. Mike Dunleavy HATES Corey Maggette.
But I'd do that trade without blinking.
I remember there being rumors this year of a Baron/Mags deal and that the Clippers wanted Mags back.