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Week 4 NE Pats coaches film analysis
Oct 1, 2024 at 4:56 PM
- jonnydel
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Here ya go, gents!
Oct 2, 2024 at 8:34 AM
- Montana
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Thanks JD, lots of positive takeaways. That pass to Jennings was a real beauty.
Oct 2, 2024 at 8:40 AM
- frenchmov
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Awesome as always
Oct 2, 2024 at 9:31 AM
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Thanks Jonny, as always your work is much appreciated.
Oct 2, 2024 at 9:44 AM
- thl408
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Nice example of how the 49ers use 11, look at how the defense matches up, then attack accordingly (run or pass).
I've noticed the 49ers using more empty backfield this season and spreading the field. I can't quantify, but it does seem like there's more of it. The 49ers led the league, if you can call it that, in having the least amount of split distance. Meaning the WR splits were the least in distance (distance from EMOL to WR) compared to the rest of league. Another way of saying it is that they were in reduced splits the most of any team - the opposite of spreading the field. I'll try to find the article that studied this. I posted it in the Kyle Shanahan Scheme thread. I think it's to make it easier for Brock in the quick rhythm passing game since the field is spread to make the four pass rushers defined. In this current era of defenses trying to confuse pass protections by crowding the LOS, spreading the field has clear benefits.
I've noticed the 49ers using more empty backfield this season and spreading the field. I can't quantify, but it does seem like there's more of it. The 49ers led the league, if you can call it that, in having the least amount of split distance. Meaning the WR splits were the least in distance (distance from EMOL to WR) compared to the rest of league. Another way of saying it is that they were in reduced splits the most of any team - the opposite of spreading the field. I'll try to find the article that studied this. I posted it in the Kyle Shanahan Scheme thread. I think it's to make it easier for Brock in the quick rhythm passing game since the field is spread to make the four pass rushers defined. In this current era of defenses trying to confuse pass protections by crowding the LOS, spreading the field has clear benefits.
Oct 2, 2024 at 9:54 AM
- thl408
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bleh, the article is behind a paywall now. But here's the post discussing it. The article is about the 49ers 2023 offense, not this season.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-49ers-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page4117/#post61752
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https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/kyle-shanahan-offense-49ers-brock-purdy-christian-mccaffrey-1776f02e?st=hqn7hg67tstr5wn&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink
Shanahan's condensed formations, which are beginning to proliferate through the NFL, take the same principles as the spread—and completely invert them. The goal of any offense is to create and exploit space. Spread schemes do that by forcing defenders to line up from sideline to sideline. The 49ers achieve the same goal in an unexpected way: by forcing defensive backs to worry about the enormous empty patches of turf on the outside, it actually opens up the middle of the field to attack.
This season, Shanahan lined up his offense in tight formations more than ever before: San Francisco has run 63.9% of its total plays in this style. What that means is that when the offense lines up, the average width of the formation is just 19.9 yards, according to Next Gen Stats, or nearly 5 yards narrower than the NFL average of 24.6.
For six straight years, Next Gen Stats has found that the 49ers have targeted in-breaking routes more frequently than any other team in the NFL.
Those passes explain Purdy's incredible efficiency this season, when he led the league with 9.6 yards per pass attempt. In condensed formations, in-breaking routes average 9.2 yards per attempt with a 69.4% completion rate. Those numbers drop to 7.9 yards and 63.9% from spread formations.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/187983-49ers-head-coach-kyle-shanahan-thread/page4117/#post61752
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https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/kyle-shanahan-offense-49ers-brock-purdy-christian-mccaffrey-1776f02e?st=hqn7hg67tstr5wn&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink
Shanahan's condensed formations, which are beginning to proliferate through the NFL, take the same principles as the spread—and completely invert them. The goal of any offense is to create and exploit space. Spread schemes do that by forcing defenders to line up from sideline to sideline. The 49ers achieve the same goal in an unexpected way: by forcing defensive backs to worry about the enormous empty patches of turf on the outside, it actually opens up the middle of the field to attack.
This season, Shanahan lined up his offense in tight formations more than ever before: San Francisco has run 63.9% of its total plays in this style. What that means is that when the offense lines up, the average width of the formation is just 19.9 yards, according to Next Gen Stats, or nearly 5 yards narrower than the NFL average of 24.6.
For six straight years, Next Gen Stats has found that the 49ers have targeted in-breaking routes more frequently than any other team in the NFL.
Those passes explain Purdy's incredible efficiency this season, when he led the league with 9.6 yards per pass attempt. In condensed formations, in-breaking routes average 9.2 yards per attempt with a 69.4% completion rate. Those numbers drop to 7.9 yards and 63.9% from spread formations.
Oct 2, 2024 at 9:56 AM
- 9moon
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The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Oct 2, 2024 at 9:58 AM
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Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
Oct 2, 2024 at 10:01 AM
- 9moon
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
Oct 2, 2024 at 10:04 AM
- Tigerlaw
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Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
have you seen their OL?
They are trying to save their future QB from taking a beating
Oct 2, 2024 at 10:06 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
have you seen their OL?
They are trying to save their future QB from taking a beating
Good point. The Patriots were a very good QB and very good OL away from making a come back and stealing the show. Also, a very good defense. So all they needed was a very good QB, a very good OL, and a very good defense, then the 49ers would have been toast. 49ers got lucky.
Oct 2, 2024 at 10:06 AM
- lamontb
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Originally posted by thl408:
Nice example of how the 49ers use 11, look at how the defense matches up, then attack accordingly (run or pass).
I've noticed the 49ers using more empty backfield this season and spreading the field. I can't quantify, but it does seem like there's more of it. The 49ers led the league, if you can call it that, in having the least amount of split distance. Meaning the WR splits were the least in distance (distance from EMOL to WR) compared to the rest of league. Another way of saying it is that they were in reduced splits the most of any team - the opposite of spreading the field. I'll try to find the article that studied this. I posted it in the Kyle Shanahan Scheme thread. I think it's to make it easier for Brock in the quick rhythm passing game since the field is spread to make the four pass rushers defined. In this current era of defenses trying to confuse pass protections by crowding the LOS, spreading the field has clear benefits.
They definitely are using more empty sets
Oct 2, 2024 at 10:08 AM
- 9moon
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9moon:
The Patriots were a very good QB away from making a come back and stealing the show..
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
they actually have a good one, their 1st round pick... I don't get how they can watch a veteran perform that way when a young QB can do that as well AND learn..
have you seen their OL?
They are trying to save their future QB from taking a beating
The answer to their OL issue is the old Marty Ball !! Get their young QB in there, control the clock while getting him experience.. lots of screens, simple reads and long passes from time to time..
a GREAT OL will not help him be a very good QB if he's just sittin and watching..
Oct 2, 2024 at 10:10 AM
- Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by thl408:
Yeah all they needed was a very good QB. One of the easiest things to have.
You can acquire one with the very last pick of the draft so I don't know what these other teams without a QB are doing, are they stupid?
Oct 2, 2024 at 10:12 AM
- Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by thl408:
Good point. The Patriots were a very good QB and very good OL away from making a come back and stealing the show. Also, a very good defense. So all they needed was a very good QB, a very good OL, and a very good defense, then the 49ers would have been toast. 49ers got lucky.
They do have some talent in the secondary. Peppers is a thumper and was all over the place and Christian Gonzalez is an absolute stud at CB. Its up front that they're a hot mess on both sides of the ball.