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Originally posted by thl408:
Nice observation on the Deebo TD catch and how it was a complimentary play off Double Slants from earlier in the game (Bell tip drill). Supposedly, the 49ers really worked on Deebo going deep this offseason because he is so well known for slants, digs, and crossers. Now the Sluggo is there for the taking.

Outside of more man coverage and blitz frequency, do you see any differences with how Wilks is calling the plays compared to Demeco Ryans?

I agree 100%

This is one of the things that separates you from the ton of single play breakdowns online

You answer the WHY in play selection...and it is great when you show how it was set up (a known KS trait)

Do you breakdown other offenses as well? I'm curious how Purdy's anticipation throws rank among other QBs
I think his ability process what he is seeing combined with his anticipation throws are his best QB traits
I had some doubt if he would turn into Mullens before this year started. I am 100% on board with Purdy being HIM after 3 games
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice observation on the Deebo TD catch and how it was a complimentary play off Double Slants from earlier in the game (Bell tip drill). Supposedly, the 49ers really worked on Deebo going deep this offseason because he is so well known for slants, digs, and crossers. Now the Sluggo is there for the taking.

Outside of more man coverage and blitz frequency, do you see any differences with how Wilks is calling the plays compared to Demeco Ryans?

Deebo isn't the best route runner but I feel like he's always had the ability to run deeper routes, Jimmy just never targeted them (other than that one Ravens game).

This is why I love Purdy because he keeps his eyes downfield, no matter what play is called.
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice observation on the Deebo TD catch and how it was a complimentary play off Double Slants from earlier in the game (Bell tip drill). Supposedly, the 49ers really worked on Deebo going deep this offseason because he is so well known for slants, digs, and crossers. Now the Sluggo is there for the taking.

Outside of more man coverage and blitz frequency, do you see any differences with how Wilks is calling the plays compared to Demeco Ryans?

Deebo isn't the best route runner but I feel like he's always had the ability to run deeper routes, Jimmy just never targeted them (other than that one Ravens game).

This is why I love Purdy because he keeps his eyes downfield, no matter what play is called.

Him giving Deebo and Aiyuk the opportunity to win on 1v1 50/50 type balls was a missing element from this offense. I trust both those guys to play the ball and at worst it's an incompletion. Now the 49ers can start drawing some of those bs defensive pass interference penalties. I think it's already happened once this season (DPI).
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice observation on the Deebo TD catch and how it was a complimentary play off Double Slants from earlier in the game (Bell tip drill). Supposedly, the 49ers really worked on Deebo going deep this offseason because he is so well known for slants, digs, and crossers. Now the Sluggo is there for the taking.

Outside of more man coverage and blitz frequency, do you see any differences with how Wilks is calling the plays compared to Demeco Ryans?

Deebo isn't the best route runner but I feel like he's always had the ability to run deeper routes, Jimmy just never targeted them (other than that one Ravens game).

This is why I love Purdy because he keeps his eyes downfield, no matter what play is called.

Him giving Deebo and Aiyuk the opportunity to win on 1v1 50/50 type balls was a missing element from this offense. I trust both those guys to play the ball and at worst it's an incompletion. Now the 49ers can start drawing some of those bs defensive pass interference penalties. I think it's already happened once this season (DPI).

Great insights, and great stuff **ALWAYS** from JD, TH408 and the rest! This is why I come here to these boards.
Looking at some defensive plays and noticing the five man dline that was mentioned recently and in training camp. It's pretty interesting. Most of these five man line snaps have no sam/nickel as Gipson goes to nickel if needed and Huf is at deep safety
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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Looking at some defensive plays and noticing the five man dline that was mentioned recently and in training camp. It's pretty interesting. Most of these five man line snaps have no sam/nickel as Gipson goes to nickel if needed and Huf is at deep safety

It can be risky if the offense has a couple good WRs. NYG doesn't have WRs that can really punish the 49er DBs in the passing game so it made sense to challenge them this way. We'll see if Wilks uses this versus MIN or CIN, teams with a superstar WR that can consistently win versus man coverage.
Thanks Jonny!

Looking at some of these cuts that CMC is making... is it safe to say that he has fully integrated into this offense now? I'm particularly talking about the run game, because we all know what we he can do as a receiving option.

He's really ripping off some big runs in this early part of the season, and there seems to be incredible vision and anticipation as a runner in our zone scheme.
Guys, I really hope you can see the progress of Purdy Boy Brock. I venture to say that he has improved immensely in his play since last year. You can definitively see how he controls the secondary with his eyes. He is extremely calm in the pocket. He patiently slides and climbs the pocket. And his progression reads are great. He is an intelligent QB who is still growing and learning. From what I understand, Kyle is giving him two plays and he has to choose one based on the defense? Oh‼️ This is bordering on some legendary stuff‼️
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice observation on the Deebo TD catch and how it was a complimentary play off Double Slants from earlier in the game (Bell tip drill). Supposedly, the 49ers really worked on Deebo going deep this offseason because he is so well known for slants, digs, and crossers. Now the Sluggo is there for the taking.

Outside of more man coverage and blitz frequency, do you see any differences with how Wilks is calling the plays compared to Demeco Ryans?

Coverage structure remains the same. The blitz packages have been slightly different but coverage to front has been the same as the past.

Biggest thing is frequency of what's called

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Guys, I really hope you can see the progress of Purdy Boy Brock. I venture to say that he has improved immensely in his play since last year. You can definitively see how he controls the secondary with his eyes. He is extremely calm in the pocket. He patiently slides and climbs the pocket. And his progression reads are great. He is an intelligent QB who is still growing and learning. From what I understand, Kyle is giving him two plays and he has to choose one based on the defense? Oh‼️ This is bordering on some legendary stuff‼️

As for the 2 plays thing, that's been standard under Kyle, pretty much post RGIII and Manziel. Usually it's one pass, one run unless situation dictates otherwise, i.e. 3rd and 12 but even then will have screens built in. It's the "can, can, can" call.

The play will be something like "nasty rt 18 zorro can to nasty left clear choice stucko 500 scat"
"Nasty rt" is a formation, "18 zorro" is a wide zone to the right.

"Can to" is canning the play at the line
"Nasty left clear choice stucko" sends Juice on a seam route down the left hash with CMC on a choice route over the left. And you have double curl routes on the outside. The idea here would be you have a wide zone to the right called but if the defense comes out with a safety in the box to the strong side and maybe a 4i tech, you can the play and then run a seam route that will grab the WILL and now you have CMC on a choice route in a vacated zone.

It gives you 2 options vs what the defense presents.
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Thanks Jonny!

Looking at some of these cuts that CMC is making... is it safe to say that he has fully integrated into this offense now? I'm particularly talking about the run game, because we all know what we he can do as a receiving option.

He's really ripping off some big runs in this early part of the season, and there seems to be incredible vision and anticipation as a runner in our zone scheme.

CMC is the best zone running back we've ever had. Period. I kept saying when Trey Sermon was here he wasn't in time with the run game. Mostert was fantastic at it but couldn't stay healthy. CMC is just different. He's Kyle's Terrel Davis.
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice observation on the Deebo TD catch and how it was a complimentary play off Double Slants from earlier in the game (Bell tip drill). Supposedly, the 49ers really worked on Deebo going deep this offseason because he is so well known for slants, digs, and crossers. Now the Sluggo is there for the taking.

Outside of more man coverage and blitz frequency, do you see any differences with how Wilks is calling the plays compared to Demeco Ryans?

I agree 100%

This is one of the things that separates you from the ton of single play breakdowns online

You answer the WHY in play selection...and it is great when you show how it was set up (a known KS trait)

Do you breakdown other offenses as well? I'm curious how Purdy's anticipation throws rank among other QBs
I think his ability process what he is seeing combined with his anticipation throws are his best QB traits
I had some doubt if he would turn into Mullens before this year started. I am 100% on board with Purdy being HIM after 3 games

As for other offenses. When I have time I'll do a deeper dive into our weekly opponent but don't usually have time to cut it up like I do with review videos. I will watch some games in a cursory way but usually don't go deep into it because, again, time. For perspective, the NFL copy I have for the last game is 2 hours long on a straight watch through. Nobody but the people who already know what was called can watch it on a straight through and know what happened so most plays have to be watched at least a few times to catch what the offense called, what the defense called and then see what happened. So, to watch a game like ours, just the watching takes 5-6 hours. With 15+ games a week, that's just not possible for me. I can do a cursory watch and get a pretty good idea of everything in 4 hours but I'm gonna miss a few things.
Originally posted by thl408:
It can be risky if the offense has a couple good WRs. NYG doesn't have WRs that can really punish the 49er DBs in the passing game so it made sense to challenge them this way. We'll see if Wilks uses this versus MIN or CIN, teams with a superstar WR that can consistently win versus man coverage.

Yep, very risky against good passing offenses


The WR is wide open but thankfully Jones is flushed to his left and doesn't have the time/acumen to set feet and let it rip
[ Edited by the_dynasty on Sep 26, 2023 at 1:44 PM ]
Love the deep shot to deebo. He is known for his physicality but people forget he has 4.4 speed.

Wilks is putting his mark on the defense, I am a fan of the 5 man front look.
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