QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I know you cannot read this but he is trying to get you to say that Brock is elite in your own words.

think I got the answer I was looking for.

in the OL thread you see this long running argument about what the team's shortcomings have been… and those arguments are always going to be subject to the poster's evaluation of different parts of the team.

For example, if you believe Brock is at the top of the league in terms of QBs because of production, there's a good chance you believed Jimmy was a very good QB based on a lot of the same factors. Probably would be less inclined to think you had a problem there and focus elsewhere when the team falls short.

I think Jimmy was a top 10 QB in this offense but he was not elite. He has a couple of elite traits but no where near as many as Brock. There is no disputing that Brock has performed like a top 5 QB this season. I wouldn't call him elite just yet though. He has lost us two games this season by not protecting the ball. 3 games if you include the concussed game. Elite QB's play like elite QB's in the playoffs. That means protecting the ball while still being able to make big plays.

No and no. Not even close

Jimmy did have a couple of elite traits. His release was elite. Are you saying it wasn't?

No it wasn't. If you want to narrow it down to a 5-10 yards release between the hash marks, I guess….outside of that, he was notorious for his happy feet when the pocket collapsed and struggled to get the ball out. And god forbid he had to throw on the scramble, the fanbase would collectively hold its breath…

Jimmy was so terrible it must be unfathomable to you to know how many games we won with him? And if that is the case, what does that say about Brock when this team can still win 70+% of games with a trash QB like Jimmy? How about you give the guy atleast some credit for the teams success. Yes. Jimmy was a top 10 QB when healthy. If you want to say he was top 15, I'll accept that. But to say he was a bottom half of the league QB is disingenuous. No one is winning 70+% of games with a tier 5 O line and a tier 5 QB.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy was so terrible it must be unfathomable to you to know how many games we won with him? And if that is the case, what does that say about Brock when this team can still win 70+% of games with a trash QB like Jimmy? How about you give the guy atleast some credit for the teams success. Yes. Jimmy was a top 10 QB when healthy. If you want to say he was top 15, I'll accept that. But to say he was a bottom half of the league QB is disingenuous. No one is winning 70+% of games with a tier 5 O line and a tier 5 QB.

I think you had it right with the initial comment. He was capable of producing like a top 10 QB in this situation. He does some things well. We were able to successfully worth with them and around his weaknesses most of the time.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So you think elite QB's only need to be great in the regular season? Not sure what you are laughing about?

Not much to go on with just a one word reply. But what I will say is that *team* play seems to be underrated on this thread. I don't get that when football is the *ultimate* team sport. Why do some players do well on one team vs another? It's coaching, it's system, it's how the players individually come together and play.

Look at the Cowboys, they regularly underperform. They lose to a 7th seed in the playoffs. Why? Because *overall* as a *team* they *suck.* Even though individually they may be talented. It's how a team and its components are put together - that makes a good team. Ignoring the team aspect of football is, I think, being ignorant in a sense of a critical aspect of football itself as a team sport.

Of course its a team sport. But why have multiple threads? If we cannot separate a player's performance from that of the team's, might as well just have one big thread.

I was talking about not necessarily winning it all but performance. Not being a glaring reason for a loss. Especially in the playoffs when everyone is watching. Those playoff games often come down to mistakes or a drive. Do you throw the game winning TD or a game losing INT. Elite status is as much perception as it is anything else. Everyone remembers the QB in that big game that made that big play. No one remembers the O linemen's names from that SB winning team.

To me, you really can't separate the player and the teams performance in reality. When a Wr catches a ball, the OLIne, the Coach, and the QB did their jobs. Now of course, most stats are indiviually based. There is not many team stats other than the aggregation stats like wins/losses total yardage etc... I think that's why it's hard to draft QB's - because how do you separate the WR from the QB, when it takes *both* to have a successful pass play (for example).

Playoff wins do come down to mistakes. Usually it's just one play in the playoffs. I the Cowboy's losses - two plays. Two pick Sixes by Roast Dak and the game is essentially out of hand at that point. In a team sport like football, and in the case of the Cowboys, you can't eliminate the Cowboy's coach and general manager as a component of the team either.

Originally posted by Giedi:
To me, you really can't separate the player and the teams performance in reality. When a Wr catches a ball, the OLIne, the Coach, and the QB did their jobs. Now of course, most stats are indiviually based. There is not many team stats other than the aggregation stats like wins/losses total yardage etc... I think that's why it's hard to draft QB's - because how do you separate the WR from the QB, when it takes *both* to have a successful pass play (for example).

Playoff wins do come down to mistakes. Usually it's just one play in the playoffs. I the Cowboy's losses - two plays. Two pick Sixes by Roast Dak and the game is essentially out of hand at that point. In a team sport like football, and in the case of the Cowboys, you can't eliminate the Cowboy's coach and general manager as a component of the team either.

You can only do it with film. It's not the same as projection either. It's evaluation of what has already happened. It doesn't guarantee what happens going forward, especially when there is a transition to a new level of play… like college-NFL.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy was so terrible it must be unfathomable to you to know how many games we won with him? And if that is the case, what does that say about Brock when this team can still win 70+% of games with a trash QB like Jimmy? How about you give the guy atleast some credit for the teams success. Yes. Jimmy was a top 10 QB when healthy. If you want to say he was top 15, I'll accept that. But to say he was a bottom half of the league QB is disingenuous. No one is winning 70+% of games with a tier 5 O line and a tier 5 QB.

I think you had it right with the initial comment. He was capable of producing like a top 10 QB in this situation. He does some things well. We were able to successfully worth with them and around his weaknesses most of the time.

My OP was not about Jimmy. I mentioned him because the post I was replying to mentioned Jimmy. I was simply using Jimmy as a way to compare what I think of Brock vs Jimmy. My post was actually about whether I believe Brock is elite or not.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
My OP was not about Jimmy. I mentioned him because the post I was replying to mentioned Jimmy. I was simply using Jimmy as a way to compare what I think of Brock vs Jimmy. My post was actually about whether I believe Brock is elite or not.

I get it. Obviously the conversation went on a tangent because the posters focused on what you said about Jimmy. I'm just replying in that context.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So you think elite QB's only need to be great in the regular season? Not sure what you are laughing about?

Not much to go on with just a one word reply. But what I will say is that *team* play seems to be underrated on this thread. I don't get that when football is the *ultimate* team sport. Why do some players do well on one team vs another? It's coaching, it's system, it's how the players individually come together and play.

Look at the Cowboys, they regularly underperform. They lose to a 7th seed in the playoffs. Why? Because *overall* as a *team* they *suck.* Even though individually they may be talented. It's how a team and its components are put together - that makes a good team. Ignoring the team aspect of football is, I think, being ignorant in a sense of a critical aspect of football itself as a team sport.

Of course its a team sport. But why have multiple threads? If we cannot separate a player's performance from that of the team's, might as well just have one big thread.

I was talking about not necessarily winning it all but performance. Not being a glaring reason for a loss. Especially in the playoffs when everyone is watching. Those playoff games often come down to mistakes or a drive. Do you throw the game winning TD or a game losing INT. Elite status is as much perception as it is anything else. Everyone remembers the QB in that big game that made that big play. No one remembers the O linemen's names from that SB winning team.

To me, you really can't separate the player and the teams performance in reality. When a Wr catches a ball, the OLIne, the Coach, and the QB did their jobs. Now of course, most stats are indiviually based. There is not many team stats other than the aggregation stats like wins/losses total yardage etc... I think that's why it's hard to draft QB's - because how do you separate the WR from the QB, when it takes *both* to have a successful pass play (for example).

Playoff wins do come down to mistakes. Usually it's just one play in the playoffs. I the Cowboy's losses - two plays. Two pick Sixes by Roast Dak and the game is essentially out of hand at that point. In a team sport like football, and in the case of the Cowboys, you can't eliminate the Cowboy's coach and general manager as a component of the team either.

The elite QB's make big plays in big moments. Its almost never perfect for a QB late in the game. The coverage was good or a pass rush gets pressure. The QB at some point needs to escape pressure, buy time and make something happen because the game is on the line. That's what separates the elite QB's from the rest.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
My OP was not about Jimmy. I mentioned him because the post I was replying to mentioned Jimmy. I was simply using Jimmy as a way to compare what I think of Brock vs Jimmy. My post was actually about whether I believe Brock is elite or not.

I get it. Obviously the conversation went on a tangent because the posters focused on what you said about Jimmy. I'm just replying in that context.

Its all good. I just felt like I need to put that out there. I really didn't want to go on that tangent.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So you think elite QB's only need to be great in the regular season? Not sure what you are laughing about?

Not much to go on with just a one word reply. But what I will say is that *team* play seems to be underrated on this thread. I don't get that when football is the *ultimate* team sport. Why do some players do well on one team vs another? It's coaching, it's system, it's how the players individually come together and play.

Look at the Cowboys, they regularly underperform. They lose to a 7th seed in the playoffs. Why? Because *overall* as a *team* they *suck.* Even though individually they may be talented. It's how a team and its components are put together - that makes a good team. Ignoring the team aspect of football is, I think, being ignorant in a sense of a critical aspect of football itself as a team sport.

Of course its a team sport. But why have multiple threads? If we cannot separate a player's performance from that of the team's, might as well just have one big thread.

I was talking about not necessarily winning it all but performance. Not being a glaring reason for a loss. Especially in the playoffs when everyone is watching. Those playoff games often come down to mistakes or a drive. Do you throw the game winning TD or a game losing INT. Elite status is as much perception as it is anything else. Everyone remembers the QB in that big game that made that big play. No one remembers the O linemen's names from that SB winning team.

To me, you really can't separate the player and the teams performance in reality. When a Wr catches a ball, the OLIne, the Coach, and the QB did their jobs. Now of course, most stats are indiviually based. There is not many team stats other than the aggregation stats like wins/losses total yardage etc... I think that's why it's hard to draft QB's - because how do you separate the WR from the QB, when it takes *both* to have a successful pass play (for example).

Playoff wins do come down to mistakes. Usually it's just one play in the playoffs. I the Cowboy's losses - two plays. Two pick Sixes by Roast Dak and the game is essentially out of hand at that point. In a team sport like football, and in the case of the Cowboys, you can't eliminate the Cowboy's coach and general manager as a component of the team either.

The elite QB's make big plays in big moments. Its almost never perfect for a QB late in the game. The coverage was good or a pass rush gets pressure. The QB at some point needs to escape pressure, buy time and make something happen because the game is on the line. That's what separates the elite QB's from the rest.

Agree 💯%, For sure, the biggest moments are in the playoffs and in the Superbowl. So how do they get to the playoffs and the Superbowl? By winning regular season games. But we've also seen guys like Nick Foles win in the playoffs despite being - so called average talented QBs. The eyepopping QB plays do influence the viewers to say that this QB is elite, but if you look at Joe Montana, his *biggest* plays were different in that they were game winning short passes that didn't need to go 50+ yards like those Elway Comebacks. Don't get me wrong, Joe could throw it deep, but Rice had a role to play on those deep passes too.

I think there is physical eliteness - but there are the Joe Montana's, Bob Greise's, and Ken Stabler type of mental eliteness too. Neither of these three QB's were rocket armed guys that can outrun Olympic sprinters.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I get it. Obviously the conversation went on a tangent because the posters focused on what you said about Jimmy. I'm just replying in that context.

A post that had Jimmy in it, went on a tangent? That's a first!

Miss me with JG talk in BPs thread.

Originally posted by NCommand:
A post that had Jimmy in it, went on a tangent? That's a first!

Lol. Who would have guessed it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I get it. Obviously the conversation went on a tangent because the posters focused on what you said about Jimmy. I'm just replying in that context.

A post that had Jimmy in it, went on a tangent? That's a first!

I heard Jimmy was a previous 49er starting QB.

Originally posted by Crown:
Miss me with JG talk in BPs thread.

Agree, I'd rather compare him to the NFL legends.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

COLLEGE QB NEWS: Chubba Purdy (younger brother of #49ers QB Brock Purdy) is transferring and committed to San Jose State University. pic.twitter.com/MeVoXFavsV

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) January 15, 2024

He doesn't look like another Brock judging from his stats at Nebraska.

I don't understand San Jose State at all. Stay at Nebraska. That's probably a better program. This move makes no sense. Except to be in the Bay Area with his brother. But it's the wrong football move. He's not his brother. I agree. Brock is a better thrower.

He wasn't getting much playing time at Nebraska. That may be why along with the chance to be near his brother.