QB Brock Purdy Thread

I don't think Darnold was signed because they don't believe in Lance. I think he was signed to make sure they aren't facing the situation they faced last season. The reality is in March they didn't know how Purdys elbow would respond so they needed to spend money to ensure it wasn't just Lance. That's what they did.

Again I'm not invested in a narrative that this team doesn't have belief in Lance. I disagree with the entire of your premise around why they kept Jimmy and why they signed Darnold. Ring nailed my thoughts. Don't what else there is to say.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
No, I'm not talking about allen. I thought we worked out a QB like a week ago? We didn't sign him but we worked him out. He was someone I'd never heard of.

I'm just hoping that our starting qb can stay healthy. Lol please lord baby Jesus. Please. Hahaha

We'll probably be screwed in terms of winning big this year if he doesn't, just like the vast majority of teams.

But we have two talented options behind him and hopefully at least one of them will have a light bulb go off and become a reliable player or better.

It would be even better to go into next season with 5-15 million extra dollars to pour into the team outside of the QB position. Take full advantage of Purdy's ridiculously low salary.

I don't see any reason why Darnold/Lance wouldn't look better than they have in the past, my main concern is "how much better?" Ya know? In my opinion, both would have to make substantial leaps ln order to play at the level Purdy did.

i agree, I hope Purdy can lock down the spot with his play and health, it'll create a massive advantage for us these next 5 years. Even with his contract being extended in three years, we can keep the base low by structure and give him a fat signing bonus to keep him happy. The window would be massive and we can capitalize on our star players primes.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I never said he was signed to be a 3. He was signed in case Purdy couldn't play and Lance was ineffective. I don't take much stock in what they do in Minicamp personally.

Until Purdy is healthy no positions are ordained. That's the point.

You ask about Darnolds perspective I give it to you and you want me to answer a whole different question then. Reality is it's just like what ring said its working backwards from a judgement you have already made.

I'm not in NYs camp. I have no loyalty to Lance. If Darnold beats him out that's an indictment of Lance to be sure. But I'm not gonna act like that was the expectation because I'm not invested in that reality happening. I'm not invested in any reality besides the 9ers getting the best qb play possible.

I didn't see your edit, but I did want to point out to you that my question about competition was not new. It was the top question in the post you responded to where you gave your opinion on Darnold's perspective. You just didn't answer the question. Not a huge deal man.

I'm also not working backward from any preconceived judgement. I am presenting arguments based on my analysis of available evidence, and I don't think any of the counter explanations actually work. I've detailed that in these posts. That's why I'm asking questions. To try and flesh out the counter arguments which seem to only address aspects of what the team has done and is doing, and not the entire picture.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Well, that's kind of disingenuous.

2017 He came in late in the season and took over for the QB's who had been mostly ineffective or injured. Went 5-0
2018 He came into camp as the unquestioned starter. Who else was on the roster that the team hadn't already decided he was better than? Then he got hurt
2019 Same question as above who was on the roster for him to compete with? Then he helped the team get to the Super Bowl
2020 Same question as above. Then he gets hurt again, along with several other starters. Team goes 6-10. What other QB on the roster was as good as him.
2021 They draft Lance. Kyle states flat out that Lance would have a hard time beating Jimmy out, if anyone it's Kyle who keeps it from being a true competition.
But no serious person could believe that Lance would have beaten Jimmy out that year in a fair fight.
2022 Lance is handed the job without having done a single thing to earn it beyond being drafted #3 and the fact that Jimmy was coming off an injury and the team was trying to move on from him anyway. Based on George Kittle's recent comments, it seems to me, if that camp had been a straight up competition there is a legitimate question as to whether or not Lance would have come out on top then either. Lucky for them they decided to keep Jimmy around for one more year and, once again, he helped get them to the NFC Championship game.

If anything, it was Lance who was handed the job without having to compete for it. Now he's in a situation where he has to compete just to remain a viable option for the job. It will be up to him to show what he can do,

Jimmy got handed $125M after 5 games lol. Nothing disingenuous about that. He was the highest paid player at one point. They most certainly did not have to do that. They could have tagged him and see where it went from there.

there wasn't a legit competition for him ever. Not even when Lance came in his rookie yr. Jimmy was the starter and Lance got backup reps all though camp.

Most high end draft picks, especially at QB get the job. You draft a QB top 3 (move up), You're stating he's your dude. Not he has to compete to be the dude with whomever is still on the roster.

You're missing the point. It doesn't have anything to do with Jimmy's contract. 49ersRing's insinuation was that there was some kind of comparison to be drawn between Lance being handed the job in 2022 and Jimmy's tenure for the preceding five years, suggesting that Jimmy never had to compete for the job either, I was simply pointing out the timeline and showing that, after Jimmy's arrival at the end of 2017, there were never any legitimate options on the table outside of him, so who was he supposed to compete with.

I would also contend that Jimmy earned the job by virtue of his performance during the last part of 2017 by helping the team win five straight games, something that no other QB under Shanahan has been able to accomplish prior to Brock's arrival. I would also point out that it was the team who made the calculation to offer him the contract that they did. In exchange for that money, he helped them get to 3 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl in four years. It seems to me that is a pretty good return on investment. It sucks that they weren't able to bring home the prize, and Jimmy bears some responsibility for that, but not all if it. Hopefully Brock, or Lance, or Darnold, will be able to correct that situation. I think Brock probably offers the best chance based on last season's performance, but I am not ruling out Lance.

However, he will have to actually do something to earn it, and not have it handed to him as it was in 2022. As to what happens with "most high-end draft picks", generally speaking, they get the job because they go to a team that played poorly enough the preceding year to draft that high. That wasn't the case with the 49ers. They believed they had a Super Bowl roster that had been derailed by injuries the previous year. They were NEVER going to let Lance start that year unless Jimmy was injured, which he was, or they fell out of the playoff hunt, which they almost did. To try and make the case for any other outcome at the position that year, just displays an incomplete understanding of that season's particular circumstances and is an argument that is usually supported by unprovable hypothesis and wild speculation.

And no, I'm not stating he's my dude. I'm merely pointing out the salient facts. I imagine that Jimmy now has a thread in the NFL forum. I wouldn't know for sure because I have never visited it and have no plans to, as I am not a Raiders fan. However, I do find myself wondering how many people who made a habit of ripping him in this forum have followed him to the Raider's thread to rip him over there. As I have often tried to point out, it usually isn't the people who supported Jimmy's tenure here that cause the problems. Now he's gone. He's no longer my concern and I will root for whatever QB wins the job this year to succeed. Go Niners!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol that's about as subjective as it gets.

I have no doubt that you believe that, lol.

Again, easy to see every step of the way.

When you post. Use the term In my opinion (IMO), or subjectively thinking here. 😉

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I don't think Darnold was signed because they don't believe in Lance. I think he was signed to make sure they aren't facing the situation they faced last season. The reality is in March they didn't know how Purdys elbow would respond so they needed to spend money to ensure it wasn't just Lance. That's what they did.

Again I'm not invested in a narrative that this team doesn't have belief in Lance. I disagree with the entire of your premise around why they kept Jimmy and why they signed Darnold. Ring nailed my thoughts. Don't what else there is to say.

Sounds a level headed thought, not full of bias.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
You're missing the point. It doesn't have anything to do with Jimmy's contract. 49ersRing's insinuation was that there was some kind of comparison to be drawn between Lance being handed the job in 2022 and Jimmy's tenure for the preceding five years, suggesting that Jimmy never had to compete for the job either, I was simply pointing out the timeline and showing that, after Jimmy's arrival at the end of 2017, there were never any legitimate options on the table outside of him, so who was he supposed to compete with.

I would also contend that Jimmy earned the job by virtue of his performance during the last part of 2017 by helping the team win five straight games, something that no other QB under Shanahan has been able to accomplish prior to Brock's arrival. I would also point out that it was the team who made the calculation to offer him the contract that they did. In exchange for that money, he helped them get to 3 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl in four years. It seems to me that is a pretty good return on investment. It sucks that they weren't able to bring home the prize, and Jimmy bears some responsibility for that, but not all if it. Hopefully Brock, or Lance, or Darnold, will be able to correct that situation. I think Brock probably offers the best chance based on last season's performance, but I am not ruling out Lance.

However, he will have to actually do something to earn it, and not have it handed to him as it was in 2022. As to what happens with "most high-end draft picks", generally speaking, they get the job because they go to a team that played poorly enough the preceding year to draft that high. That wasn't the case with the 49ers. They believed they had a Super Bowl roster that had been derailed by injuries the previous year. They were NEVER going to let Lance start that year unless Jimmy was injured, which he was, or they fell out of the playoff hunt, which they almost did. To try and make the case for any other outcome at the position that year, just displays an incomplete understanding of that season's particular circumstances and is an argument that is usually supported by unprovable hypothesis and wild speculation.

And no, I'm not stating he's my dude. I'm merely pointing out the salient facts. I imagine that Jimmy now has a thread in the NFL forum. I wouldn't know for sure because I have never visited it and have no plans to, as I am not a Raiders fan. However, I do find myself wondering how many people who made a habit of ripping him in this forum have followed him to the Raider's thread to rip him over there. As I have often tried to point out, it usually isn't the people who supported Jimmy's tenure here that cause the problems. Now he's gone. He's no longer my concern and I will root for whatever QB wins the job this year to succeed. Go Niners!

I think you're proving our points. Jimmy an unknown. Traded for a 2nd and given a massive contract after just 5 meaningless games. They never brought in any competition. Not in 2018 or really any time in his tenure. Even when they spent 3 1sts for Lance, he wasn't allowed to "compete" for the starting gig his rookie yr.

Now you're saying Lance should have had to compete for the starting job from day 1? When in reality Jimmy never did and got a massive payday off a couple games? I know it's not about Jimmy but it's showing that we haven't done it in the past.

I can't even tell you of a situation where a team drafted a QB top 3 (let alone moved up for him) and forced him to compete to be the starter no matter what. Once you make that commitment, he's gotta play.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think you're proving our points. Jimmy an unknown. Traded for a 2nd and given a massive contract after just 5 meaningless games. They never brought in any competition. Not in 2018 or really any time in his tenure. Even when they spent 3 1sts for Lance, he wasn't allowed to "compete" for the starting gig his rookie yr.

Now you're saying Lance should have had to compete for the starting job from day 1? When in reality Jimmy never did and got a massive payday off a couple games? I know it's not about Jimmy but it's showing that we haven't done it in the past.

I can't even tell you of a situation where a team drafted a QB top 3 (let alone moved up for him) and forced him to compete to be the starter no matter what. Once you make that commitment, he's gotta play.

Don't even need to talk about Jimmy. What did Pat Mahomes do to earn the starting gig for the Chiefs? Chad Henne clearly wasn't brought in to compete for the starting gig. Chiefs were a playoff team the year before not an also ran.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
You're missing the point. It doesn't have anything to do with Jimmy's contract. 49ersRing's insinuation was that there was some kind of comparison to be drawn between Lance being handed the job in 2022 and Jimmy's tenure for the preceding five years, suggesting that Jimmy never had to compete for the job either, I was simply pointing out the timeline and showing that, after Jimmy's arrival at the end of 2017, there were never any legitimate options on the table outside of him, so who was he supposed to compete with.

I would also contend that Jimmy earned the job by virtue of his performance during the last part of 2017 by helping the team win five straight games, something that no other QB under Shanahan has been able to accomplish prior to Brock's arrival. I would also point out that it was the team who made the calculation to offer him the contract that they did. In exchange for that money, he helped them get to 3 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl in four years. It seems to me that is a pretty good return on investment. It sucks that they weren't able to bring home the prize, and Jimmy bears some responsibility for that, but not all if it. Hopefully Brock, or Lance, or Darnold, will be able to correct that situation. I think Brock probably offers the best chance based on last season's performance, but I am not ruling out Lance.

However, he will have to actually do something to earn it, and not have it handed to him as it was in 2022. As to what happens with "most high-end draft picks", generally speaking, they get the job because they go to a team that played poorly enough the preceding year to draft that high. That wasn't the case with the 49ers. They believed they had a Super Bowl roster that had been derailed by injuries the previous year. They were NEVER going to let Lance start that year unless Jimmy was injured, which he was, or they fell out of the playoff hunt, which they almost did. To try and make the case for any other outcome at the position that year, just displays an incomplete understanding of that season's particular circumstances and is an argument that is usually supported by unprovable hypothesis and wild speculation.

And no, I'm not stating he's my dude. I'm merely pointing out the salient facts. I imagine that Jimmy now has a thread in the NFL forum. I wouldn't know for sure because I have never visited it and have no plans to, as I am not a Raiders fan. However, I do find myself wondering how many people who made a habit of ripping him in this forum have followed him to the Raider's thread to rip him over there. As I have often tried to point out, it usually isn't the people who supported Jimmy's tenure here that cause the problems. Now he's gone. He's no longer my concern and I will root for whatever QB wins the job this year to succeed. Go Niners!

I think you're proving our points. Jimmy an unknown. Traded for a 2nd and given a massive contract after just 5 meaningless games. They never brought in any competition. Not in 2018 or really any time in his tenure. Even when they spent 3 1sts for Lance, he wasn't allowed to "compete" for the starting gig his rookie yr.

Now you're saying Lance should have had to compete for the starting job from day 1? When in reality Jimmy never did and got a massive payday off a couple games? I know it's not about Jimmy but it's showing that we haven't done it in the past.

I can't even tell you of a situation where a team drafted a QB top 3 (let alone moved up for him) and forced him to compete to be the starter no matter what. Once you make that commitment, he's gotta play.

This is one of your ilk's favorite lies. The games weren't meaningless. Just ask people like Arik Armstead and Georger Kittle. It was that five-game winning streak, including three wins over teams who were headed to the playoffs, that helped shift the internal dynamics and culture of the team. Armstead has stated that specifically. There is a reason that Jimmy was so well thought of in the clubhouse. He was, by all accounts, a great teammate and he helped them win games, that's why Lance was NEVER going to beat him out that first year barring some absolutely amazing performance. As to the rest of your post, well it's just more of your usual nonsense trying to turn an argument that you clearly don't understand on its head, and isn't really worth responding to.

Cowboys have won a lot of games the last two years. No way can it be said that Daks ROI has been good so far.

If Brock or Trey get 40 mil a year in a couple years this team needs them to be in the elite group. No different then George, Fred, Nick or Trent.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I think you're proving our points. Jimmy an unknown. Traded for a 2nd and given a massive contract after just 5 meaningless games. They never brought in any competition. Not in 2018 or really any time in his tenure. Even when they spent 3 1sts for Lance, he wasn't allowed to "compete" for the starting gig his rookie yr.

Now you're saying Lance should have had to compete for the starting job from day 1? When in reality Jimmy never did and got a massive payday off a couple games? I know it's not about Jimmy but it's showing that we haven't done it in the past.

I can't even tell you of a situation where a team drafted a QB top 3 (let alone moved up for him) and forced him to compete to be the starter no matter what. Once you make that commitment, he's gotta play.

Don't even need to talk about Jimmy. What did Pat Mahomes do to earn the starting gig for the Chiefs? Chad Henne clearly wasn't brought in to compete for the starting gig. Chiefs were a playoff team the year before not an also ran.

If Mahomes went down and the backup played substantially better, there would be controversy

Trey was handed the job and when he went down, Brock outplayed him by a mile. He even outplayed Jimmy

When Jimmy would go down nobody would seize the job. Trey had that opportunity but his Texans game/play in practice wasn't enough to unseat Jimmy. Based on Brock's run and what they've seen behind the scenes, they think Brock > Trey

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I presented the same question yesterday.

You spend 3 1sts for Jaire Alexander. He gets a couple random snaps and doesn't play amazing in like 2 starts. Is named the starter beginning of the next yr and gets hurt. Demo a 5th rd pick plays well in his spot for a couple games. The next season rolls around and Demo isn't playing at that same level…might have costed you a couple wins. You let him "develop" and play through it OR do you put the multiple 1st rd pick back in that you were so convicted in that you drafted him that high and even made him a starter at one pt?

Because there's more to the evaluation than performance in games. While that's what matters coaches are taking more into account.

Since we're talking DB's as an example, Ambry Thomas was a 3rd rounder, but DeMo - a 5th rounder, got the first Crack early in 2021, struggled and was benched. Thomas played well at the end of 2021. During the off-season something happened where Thomas got passed by multiple players. He hasn't seen the field since even though injury provided opportunities.

You have to realize that these coaches chart EVERYTHING from practices and drills.

The extent to which Trey gets an opportunity over Brock, should Brock falter, will come down to Trey's evaluation since being with the team and where he's at. Not just because of three 1st round picks.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
If Mahomes went down and the backup played substantially better, there would be controversy

Trey was handed the job and when he went down, Brock outplayed him by a mile. He even outplayed Jimmy

When Jimmy would go down nobody would seize the job. Trey had that opportunity but his Texans game/play in practice wasn't enough to unseat Jimmy. Based on Brock's run and what they've seen behind the scenes, they think Brock > Trey

Not really relevant to the topic being discussed. Topic was Trey last year and him being handed things as if that's not standard operating procedure for high picks.

So NY, are you saying Trey should start this season?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

If Mahomes went down and the backup played substantially better, there would be controversy

Trey was handed the job and when he went down, Brock outplayed him by a mile. He even outplayed Jimmy

When Jimmy would go down nobody would seize the job. Trey had that opportunity but his Texans game/play in practice wasn't enough to unseat Jimmy. Based on Brock's run and what they've seen behind the scenes, they think Brock > Trey

Not really relevant to the topic being discussed. Topic was Trey last year and him being handed things as if that's not standard operating procedure for high picks.

49er81 agrees and literally said he was handed the job last year. I guess you guys are arguing about nothing?