Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I'd love all of these expert opinions that can judge a guy off of 3.25 games in the draft forum to lend their keen football minds to analyzing players that will be available in picks 100 through 200. I won't hold my breath though.
Meh, even QB guru Kyle Shanahan missed drafting Brock 6 times before nabbing him in the 7th. At most, a good GM is right (in the first round at least) about 30% of the time. There was an article back last year (or the year before) stating that for most first round picks - only about 30%-ish percent of rookies get a 2nd contract with their original team. Which means something like 70% (or something like that) are first round misses, and that percentages go down after as the rounds get lower. Point being, a blind monkey would probably do as good a job as any average GM or fan out there in picking players in the draft.
Kyle is a lot of things, but he's never been a QB guru. Where are you getting that from? He's a great play caller and designer, but not QB guru. As for everything else, what was your purpose in sharing that?
Kyles history of drafting/not drafting a qb actually proves he's not very good at identifying great qb prospects. Let's just exclude Lance from this discussion for sake of argument.
the best ones he's ever drafted was Kirk cousins. We needed a qb bad in 2017 and passed up on numerous guys that went in the first round like mahommes, Watson, jackson. Etc all because he thought he could get cousins in the off season. If you're special at identifying that stuff - you wouldn't of passed up on those other guys in the first round, others noticied it and not him.
he's excellent at developing, scheming, getting the most out of them, but not necessarily at picking a prospect. I love him as our coach and want him here a long time, can't be awesome at everything!
honestly, there are some folks on here that would do a better job drafting than a lot of GMs.
That's called hindsight. Kyle was a first time HC with the whole draw to him being his system.
He knew that he was going to a team that had a TON of needs(we were AWFUL in 2016) and a ton of cap space. He knew if he waited he'd have Cousins as his QB a known product to him and someone he knew could run his system at a very high level.
He also came in late due to being a coach in the SB that season. You have a new staff coming in, having to meet your team and then get into draft prep when other teams are already far ahead of you in that situation.
Mahomes wasn't a prospect with no flaws. Easy to say he was the obvious choice that year but Chiefs actually shocked many by taking Mahomes as high as they did.
I don't blame Kyle for the move he made. I'd be a LOT more upset if we actually went into the draft looking to take a QB and took Trubisky. I find it hard to blame Kyle for wanting a sure thing without having to spend a top 3 pick on him.
Hindsight obviously we take Mahomes in a heartbeat...but so would Cleveland.
Yeah I agree about the hindsight stuff. I'm one of the biggest Kyle guys here BUT at this point you gotta question some of his thoughts about the position.
if we took Mahomes would kyle had let him just run around making plays? Mahomes was pretty damn green and A LOT of what he did his rookie year was just extending and making stupid plays with his arm talent.…It wasn't a bunch of timing based stuff under center. Dude couldn't read coverages at all. Do we think for one sec kyle would let that fly? Honestly at this pt with the way he's handled the Lance stuff…I'd say no. Same s**t with Watson. O'Brien had to completely change his offense for him. It was all spread concepts with read options/RPOs out of the gun…We saw Watson last yr running a kyle scheme and it was pretty bad.