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George Seifert > Bill Cowher / Jimmy Johnson???

Niners get screwed in the HOF popularity contest AGAIN...

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Didn't realize he wasn't in....how the F did Cowher get in???
Originally posted by jcs:
Didn't realize he wasn't in....how the F did Cowher get in???

personality. because I was never impressed by him. Good human being, bet yes I'd take Siefert over him
@CamInman

Cool moment on Fox with Jimmy getting HOF news

Because #49ers fans are curious:

Jimmy Johnson, 1989-99, Cowboys/Dolphins: 80-64, 9-4 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 6 playoff berths

George Seifert, 1989-01, 49ers/Panthers: 114-62, 10-5 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 7 playoff berths
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
@CamInman

Cool moment on Fox with Jimmy getting HOF news

Because #49ers fans are curious:

Jimmy Johnson, 1989-99, Cowboys/Dolphins: 80-64, 9-4 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 6 playoff berths

George Seifert, 1989-01, 49ers/Panthers: 114-62, 10-5 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 7 playoff berths




Yeah Seifert not getting in is kind of ridiculous.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Yeah Seifert not getting in is kind of ridiculous.

it's a popularity, keep your face in the spotlight contest...both cowher and Johnson have been staples of NFL pregame shows for years...seifert had that one-year stint in 1998 when CBS got the NFL back (along with brent jones)

now since he's been out of the spotlight and enjoying fishing/retirement, he's essentially persona incognita to the HOF voters
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
@CamInman

Cool moment on Fox with Jimmy getting HOF news

Because #49ers fans are curious:

Jimmy Johnson, 1989-99, Cowboys/Dolphins: 80-64, 9-4 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 6 playoff berths

George Seifert, 1989-01, 49ers/Panthers: 114-62, 10-5 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 7 playoff berths

Seifert inherited a SB winning team from Walsh. He won 2 SBs off that talent but made poor draft, personnel, and coaching decisions which led to the slow demise of the dynasty (if FA were as active then as it is now, it would have been a faster demise).

Johnson took a 1-15 franchise and drafted and coached it to 2 SBs himself and set it up for a third under Switzer. If Jerry didn't have such a big ego and fire Johnson, the Cowboys might have been a Patriots like dynasty.

So yeah, JJ deserves the HoF over Seifert. And I say that as a Cowboy hating Niner fan since 1982.
Wasn't Seifert responsible for some defensive innovations?

Beyond that, it seems like there are coaches in the Hall of Fame less accomplished than Seifert. At least Seifert and Johnson belong in there.
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Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
@CamInman

Cool moment on Fox with Jimmy getting HOF news

Because #49ers fans are curious:

Jimmy Johnson, 1989-99, Cowboys/Dolphins: 80-64, 9-4 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 6 playoff berths

George Seifert, 1989-01, 49ers/Panthers: 114-62, 10-5 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 7 playoff berths

Seifert inherited a SB winning team from Walsh. He won 2 SBs off that talent but made poor draft, personnel, and coaching decisions which led to the slow demise of the dynasty (if FA were as active then as it is now, it would have been a faster demise).

Johnson took a 1-15 franchise and drafted and coached it to 2 SBs himself and set it up for a third under Switzer. If Jerry didn't have such a big ego and fire Johnson, the Cowboys might have been a Patriots like dynasty.

So yeah, JJ deserves the HoF over Seifert. And I say that as a Cowboy hating Niner fan since 1982.
The fall of the 49ers happened under Mooch not Seifert. He played a role in actually extending the Dynasty by releasing the aging stars like Lott and Montana and replacing them successfully.
Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Seifert inherited a SB winning team from Walsh. He won 2 SBs off that talent but made poor draft, personnel, and coaching decisions which led to the slow demise of the dynasty (if FA were as active then as it is now, it would have been a faster demise).

Johnson took a 1-15 franchise and drafted and coached it to 2 SBs himself and set it up for a third under Switzer. If Jerry didn't have such a big ego and fire Johnson, the Cowboys might have been a Patriots like dynasty.

So yeah, JJ deserves the HoF over Seifert. And I say that as a Cowboy hating Niner fan since 1982.


Seifert had next to nothing to do with personnel decisions. That was on Policy, Clark and a few others.



I can see the argument for Johnson over Seifert. A lot more difficult to argue Cowher over him.

If Cowher and Johnson are in, than Seifert, Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren all deserve to be in.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
@CamInman

Cool moment on Fox with Jimmy getting HOF news

Because #49ers fans are curious:

Jimmy Johnson, 1989-99, Cowboys/Dolphins: 80-64, 9-4 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 6 playoff berths

George Seifert, 1989-01, 49ers/Panthers: 114-62, 10-5 in playoffs, 2 Super Bowls, 7 playoff berths

Seifert inherited a SB winning team from Walsh. He won 2 SBs off that talent but made poor draft, personnel, and coaching decisions which led to the slow demise of the dynasty (if FA were as active then as it is now, it would have been a faster demise).

Johnson took a 1-15 franchise and drafted and coached it to 2 SBs himself and set it up for a third under Switzer. If Jerry didn't have such a big ego and fire Johnson, the Cowboys might have been a Patriots like dynasty.

So yeah, JJ deserves the HoF over Seifert. And I say that as a Cowboy hating Niner fan since 1982.
The fall of the 49ers happened under Mooch not Seifert. He played a role in actually extending the Dynasty by releasing the aging stars like Lott and Montana and replacing them successfully.

Originally posted by jcs:
The fall of the 49ers happened under Mooch not Seifert. He played a role in actually extending the Dynasty by releasing the aging stars like Lott and Montana and replacing them successfully.

The demise started under Seifert. Look up the drafts. We continued to win because of the stockpile of great players (including Steve Young at QB) left behind by Walsh. By the time Mooch got there the depth was thin and the stars were old (Young, Rice, etc). We could have won 2 more SBs in the 1990s if not for the idiotic decision to let Ricky Waters go to Philly and then not replace him (Seifert thought Derek Loville would be as good) for 4 years until we landed Garrison Hearst in FA.
I'll add that if Mike Shanahan had been made HC things likely would have been better for the 49ers. He was great at identifying RB talent (exactly our missing piece) and we struggled at OC once Shanahan left. Remember the failed Mark Trestman experiment.
[ Edited by CardinalGold on Jan 12, 2020 at 8:08 PM ]
The fall of the dynasty was a slow brain drain in the front office and a sudden offensive coaching brain drain when Mike Shanahan left for Denver. We might have been okay had Kubiak stayed on as OC. Per MS, Kubiak was to be the offensive coordinator here when he left, but Kubiak wanted no part of that. We never adequately replaced Mike Shanahan until Kyle showed up, Mooch might be better than anyone else in that 23 year span, but he was no Shanahan.
Originally posted by CardinalGold:
I'll add that if Mike Shanahan had been made HC things likely would have been better for the 49ers. He was great at identifying RB talent (exactly our missing piece) and we struggled at OC once Shanahan left. Remember the failed Mark Trestman experiment.

That would have been my preference before the 1995 season, but how do we fire a head coach that just won the Super Bowl?
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