Harbaugh's 2011 49ers VERSUS Shanahan's 2019 49ers(hypothetical)Who would win?

How about we see how this season goes and then make comparisons? 2011-2013 teams were damn good, especially on defense. That 2011 defense was prolly one of
The best in niners history.

W/out reading into the other replies, I'm going to add my 2 cents before I forget.

The answer is simple...both teams were good enough to beat the other. It all depends on coaching.

It doesn't matter which team Shanny would be on, whichever one he is coaching (2011 or this current team), that is the one that wins.

He and Saleh will roast HaRomanGio like a sloppy pig in a luau. They would shut out their crap. PERIOD!!

Roman would eat a twinkie and run Gore into the ground (poor Gore) with no creativity (Harbaugh would allow it).

Harbaugh would lose his s**t on sidelines, act like a belligerent fool, use 3 timeouts 6 minutes into the 1st qtr and lose all challenges.

Fangio would just flat out get outsmarted by Shanny (no shame in that)...defense would be gassed because offense can't get going.

Besides all that, this team is a lot faster in all phases and playing real good. I'd prefer this team over 2011 anyways.

#NuffSaid

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

2011 team would win pretty handedly based purely on what we've seen so far. The 2019 team is turning the ball over almost 3 times per game and hasn't played any good teams yet. The 2011 offense wasn't great, but it was more efficient than any team we've played so far. I'm not convinced that this year's defense is close to being on the same level as our 2011 team.

2011 wasn't efficient at all. Was the complete opposite. Field goals and 3 and outs with the league worst red zone production.

Originally posted by tankle104:

How about we see how this season goes and then make comparisons? 2011-2013 teams were damn good, especially on defense. That 2011 defense was prolly one of
The best in niners history.

This. 3 games in. Way too soon.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

JH would win bc the defense was elite and Kap looked like an all pro his first year and a half. It wouldn't be close. Equal talent, then KS would make JH look like the average coach that he is.

Kap wasn't playing in 2011. Was Alex

Then they win by 10 points instead of 20.

2011 defense didn't allow a rushing TD until the Christmas eve game against Seattle. So far this year's defense hasn't allowed a rushing TD.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

2011 team would win pretty handedly based purely on what we've seen so far. The 2019 team is turning the ball over almost 3 times per game and hasn't played any good teams yet. The 2011 offense wasn't great, but it was more efficient than any team we've played so far. I'm not convinced that this year's defense is close to being on the same level as our 2011 team.

2011 wasn't efficient at all. Was the complete opposite. Field goals and 3 and outs with the league worst red zone production.

Yea, but they didn't turn the ball over, so they weren't too bad. We were around 11-12th in the league in PPG every year except the last under Harbaugh.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Yea, but they didn't turn the ball over, so they weren't too bad. We were around 11-12th in the league in PPG every year except the last under Harbaugh.

Which isn't a function of efficient offense, it's a function of dominant defense.

Turnovers you can live with if you move the ball. 3 and outs are just killers.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Yea, but they didn't turn the ball over, so they weren't too bad. We were around 11-12th in the league in PPG every year except the last under Harbaugh.

Which isn't a function of efficient offense, it's a function of dominant defense.

Turnovers you can live with if you move the ball. 3 and outs are just killers.

When you have a great defense, playing it safe and not risking turnovers makes a lot of sense. You can't "live with turnovers" when you're a strong defensive team and the other team is unlikely to be able to drive the length of the field.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
JH would win bc the defense was elite and Kap looked like an all pro his first year and a half. It wouldn't be close. Equal talent, then KS would make JH look like the average coach that he is.

Kap wasn't playing in 2011. Was Alex

Then they win by 10 points instead of 20.

Kap only played really well one year then the rest was a slow decline.

So if Kap was playing in 2011 if would depend on whether it was like his first, second, third year etc. but still the team this year is much better and Jimmy is a real QB

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

When you have a great defense, playing it safe and not risking turnovers makes a lot of sense. You can't "live with turnovers" when you're a strong defensive team and the other team is unlikely to be able to drive the length of the field.

You can if your offense makes up for it. I'd rather have an offense that makes up for turnovers then one that depends on the D to win the game.

Also not gonna have 5 turnovers in a game very often.

Hell 2011 offense couldn't make up for a single Kyle Williams fumble in the nfc title game. Couldn't even convert a 3rd down.

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by tankle104:

How about we see how this season goes and then make comparisons? 2011-2013 teams were damn good, especially on defense. That 2011 defense was prolly one of
The best in niners history.

This. 3 games in. Way too soon.

3 wins against 3 sub par teams and now fans want to compare Kyle's Niners with historically good teams.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

When you have a great defense, playing it safe and not risking turnovers makes a lot of sense. You can't "live with turnovers" when you're a strong defensive team and the other team is unlikely to be able to drive the length of the field.

You can if your offense makes up for it. I'd rather have an offense that makes up for turnovers then one that depends on the D to win the game.

Also not gonna have 5 turnovers in a game very often.

Hell 2011 offense couldn't make up for a single Kyle Williams fumble in the nfc title game. Couldn't even convert a 3rd down.

Kyle Williams turned it over twice. And the 2011 Giants are a much better team than the 2019 Steelers. You can overcome turnovers against terrible teams, but against most teams in the league you're not going to overcome 5 turnovers.

And we don't know that 5 turnovers won't be the norm. We definitely have been a turnover prone team so far this year and every year under Shanahan.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

You can if your offense makes up for it. I'd rather have an offense that makes up for turnovers then one that depends on the D to win the game.

Also not gonna have 5 turnovers in a game very often.

Hell 2011 offense couldn't make up for a single Kyle Williams fumble in the nfc title game. Couldn't even convert a 3rd down.

Tell that to Atlanta who watched Shanny fumble a game most likely won. You can die either way.

Btw, didn't we already see this match up....?

And Kyle has a much better offense then he had now..(though only OC)

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000128766/49ers-vs-Falcons-highlights