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Coaches Film Analysis: 2019 Season

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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Marcel Harris had a rough game starting with the missed tackled on the Saints first TD. He also had some other plays where he wasn't executing his assignment. It's understandable being his first live action versus a good offense, but some things are not excusable, like this play.
This view to show the box defenders. In a wide9 alignment, the in the box safety is often a C gap player.


Possible run fits shown. Harris has the strongside C gap. Saints running outside zone left.


Harris has a jump on the play and is aggressive flowing to his right, but in doing so vacates his gap.


+17. Kamara with good vision sees the lane and exploits it for the 'real' longest Saints run of the day. (The actual longest, +18, was on the final play of the first half where the 49ers were in prevent defense).

Glad you pointed that one put, I was gonna include that in a video later today

I can see Spoon tries to make that tackle if Harris ran himself out and Ward missed the tackle. Then people will s**t on Spoon for soft on tackling lol

Spoon actually had to clean up for them a few times
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Dec 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Marcel Harris had a rough game starting with the missed tackled on the Saints first TD. He also had some other plays where he wasn't executing his assignment. It's understandable being his first live action versus a good offense, but some things are not excusable, like this play.
This view to show the box defenders. In a wide9 alignment, the in the box safety is often a C gap player.


Possible run fits shown. Harris has the strongside C gap. Saints running outside zone left.


Harris has a jump on the play and is aggressive flowing to his right, but in doing so vacates his gap.


+17. Kamara with good vision sees the lane and exploits it for the 'real' longest Saints run of the day. (The actual longest, +18, was on the final play of the first half where the 49ers were in prevent defense).

Glad you pointed that one put, I was gonna include that in a video later today

I can see Spoon tries to make that tackle if Harris ran himself out and Ward missed the tackle. Then people will s**t on Spoon for soft on tackling lol

Spoon actually had to clean up for them a few times

Even though the game is over, it makes me angry watching this. As Sherman said after the game, this is DAY ONE, SIMPLE FUNDAMENTALS, that were missed. He didn't directly say Harris, but that's I'm sure who he was mainly referring to.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by FeelLicks:
I'm actually more interested in how our defense got gashed. Was it our rookie linebackers and backup safety getting exploited?

a few things - I'll make a video on that too. But, Brees was giving a master class on moving zone defenders with his eyes, we gave a ton of respect to Michael Thomas - whis is one reason he went off late in the game after we had stopped NO on like 4 straight drives. poor tackling, and missing basic defensive stuff, and Marcel Harris played really, really poorly.

does that worry you going forward until we get Tartt back?

No, because Payton and Brees are masters at attacking a weakness and Harris was probably a bit amped up being in the dome, on the road for 2 weeks, playoff atmosphere, all that.
I expect the defensive side and the coaches to get him squared away. He just needed to settle down and do his job. He was trying to do other people's job too many times.

Harris was a liability in this game. I'd like to see TMoore in there in place of Harris because I think he's more likely to have a future on the team as opposed to Harris.
Yes to the bolded. Kamara was bottled up most of the day in the run game. The one run he had for 17 yards, that was on Harris for trying to do too much.

I was a little surprised too that they didn't yank him. Did you see the terrible run fit he had that set up NO's 3rd TD, I think. He had the C gap, Witherspoon has outside contain and the RB cut outside after Harris initially started to fill, Spoon had him all the way, Harris tries to follow outside and gives up the C gap so the RB cuts it up and gains 8 yards to set them up near the goal line. After the play you can see Spoon get up pissed and yelling at Harris that Harris filled his role and let the RB get a lane.
Here's that play. 1Q 2nd & 1
Possible run fits. The important thing here is that Spoon is the force player, and has outside contain - that is Spoon's job on this play. Harris has the C gap. Saints running inside zone.


The play starts off and Harris attacks his C gap. So far so good.


Harris sees that the RB wants to bounce it outside.


Harris jumps outside to get the RB, but this is Spoon's job.


The RB sees it and runs it back up inside. +7


Spoon is not pleased. At this point in the game, this is the Saint's third drive and they are slicing through the 49ers defense like a hot knife through butter. In the run game especially, trying to do other people's jobs usually leads to bad things.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Even though the game is over, it makes me angry watching this. As Sherman said after the game, this is DAY ONE, SIMPLE FUNDAMENTALS, that were missed. He didn't directly say Harris, but that's I'm sure who he was mainly referring to.

Right. There was no presnap jet motion eye candy. No misdirection. This is outside zone from an I formation. Harris probably sees this many times in practice during camp. It's one thing to do your assignment wrong, it's another to do the wrong assignment.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Even though the game is over, it makes me angry watching this. As Sherman said after the game, this is DAY ONE, SIMPLE FUNDAMENTALS, that were missed. He didn't directly say Harris, but that's I'm sure who he was mainly referring to.

Right. There was no presnap jet motion eye candy. No misdirection. This is outside zone from an I formation. Harris probably sees this many times in practice during camp. It's one thing to do your assignment wrong, it's another to do the wrong assignment.

Agreed. If Harris stayed in his game, it would've been a minimal gain at best.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Even though the game is over, it makes me angry watching this. As Sherman said after the game, this is DAY ONE, SIMPLE FUNDAMENTALS, that were missed. He didn't directly say Harris, but that's I'm sure who he was mainly referring to.

Right. There was no presnap jet motion eye candy. No misdirection. This is outside zone from an I formation. Harris probably sees this many times in practice during camp. It's one thing to do your assignment wrong, it's another to do the wrong assignment.

Agreed. If Harris stayed in his game, it would've been a minimal gain at best.

Why was Harris playing in the first place? Is Moore injured?
Man these breakdowns are the truth. One person can just ruin a play.
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Why was Harris playing in the first place? Is Moore injured?

Moore too busy doing a fantastic
job covering the gunner on the fake punt
cutting together my defensive review: I'm covering the 1st 2 TD's - Thl I think I have an answer to that first play as I've watched it a few more times.
covering that run where spoon was pissed, covered the crucial 3rd and 6 that set them up for their 4th TD, the big Thomas catch and run - which has a horrible missed call.
The crucial 3rd and 5 where we got flagged for PI - ST was held really badly on the play and should've been a sack or off-setting penalties and the final TD - the blitz execution was turrible.
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Even though the game is over, it makes me angry watching this. As Sherman said after the game, this is DAY ONE, SIMPLE FUNDAMENTALS, that were missed. He didn't directly say Harris, but that's I'm sure who he was mainly referring to.

Right. There was no presnap jet motion eye candy. No misdirection. This is outside zone from an I formation. Harris probably sees this many times in practice during camp. It's one thing to do your assignment wrong, it's another to do the wrong assignment.

Agreed. If Harris stayed in his game, it would've been a minimal gain at best.

Why was Harris playing in the first place? Is Moore injured?

Yea I'd rather have Moore out there

Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by BigBossBosa97:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Even though the game is over, it makes me angry watching this. As Sherman said after the game, this is DAY ONE, SIMPLE FUNDAMENTALS, that were missed. He didn't directly say Harris, but that's I'm sure who he was mainly referring to.

Right. There was no presnap jet motion eye candy. No misdirection. This is outside zone from an I formation. Harris probably sees this many times in practice during camp. It's one thing to do your assignment wrong, it's another to do the wrong assignment.

Agreed. If Harris stayed in his game, it would've been a minimal gain at best.

Why was Harris playing in the first place? Is Moore injured?

Yea I'd rather have Moore out there

Yea. I mean with Ward having the ability to play either position and how Moore did an admirable job filling in for Ward at the start of the season, I just didn't understand the decision.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Moore too busy doing a fantastic
job covering the gunner on the fake punt

The injury question was a rhetorical one. I know Moore was out there and did a great job on the fake punt.
The real question is whether Harris will learn from his mistakes and learn to execute his assignments. He is new to playing game snaps and it is a different pressure to practice squad snaps. The game against the Falcons will show if he has the ability to learn and adapt. If not he wont be around long.
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
cutting together my defensive review: I'm covering the 1st 2 TD's - Thl I think I have an answer to that first play as I've watched it a few more times.
covering that run where spoon was pissed, covered the crucial 3rd and 6 that set them up for their 4th TD, the big Thomas catch and run - which has a horrible missed call.
The crucial 3rd and 5 where we got flagged for PI - ST was held really badly on the play and should've been a sack or off-setting penalties and the final TD - the blitz execution was turrible.

I see it.
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All season long the 49ers defense has bailed out the offense after a turnover. Multiple times they've held the opposing offense to field goals as damage control. In this game, it was no different.
3Q 2nd & 7
After the interception to start the 3Q, the 49er defense was on its heels. Saleh presses the issue and will dial up a pressure. With the Saints in an empty backfield, blitz pickup falls on the 5 OLmen with no help from a RB/TE. Cover 1 blitz (5 man pressure, man coverage)


49ers will run an overload blitz to the OL's left while dropping AA into coverage. Reds are the rushers.


Saints slide protection to the left which is the correct thing to do since Greenlaw is blitzing. What they don't account for is Warner also blitzing and AA not rushing.


The RG is caught in a bind and Warner comes in untouched.


Very nifty of Brees to avoid the sack. Incomplete.
On the george kittle td, Juice was held and hugged but not call as well.
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