Originally posted by Giedi:Originally posted by Scottie15:Originally posted by CatchMaster80:I was just listening to the Colts GM on a radio show and he was saying how tough it is to evaluate wide receivers now because college teams are passing so much that a ton of guys have big stats. Add to that how many great receivers come from small colleges and can get overlooked sometimes. Rice, John Taylor, Owens, Antonio Brown, and Randy Moss are just a few that could have been overlooked without good scouting or dumb luck.
Great stuff here. Excellent post, especially as it pertains to small schools.
And to your point, there have been teams who have found lots of success without drafting WR high or utilizing the UDFA market. Doug Baldwin was undrafted, Victor Cruz was undrafted, Colston was drafted as TE in 7th round, and posted 6 seasons of over 1,000 yards receiving.
I think it all comes down to QB play, and scheme.
Agree, and I think the WR injuries - QB play has a role in it too. Too many times, I saw BeatHard hang his WR's out to dry because he missed an open window and threw late and allowed the DB to tee of on the WR.Originally posted by Scottie15:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by Scottie15:Great stuff here. Excellent post, especially as it pertains to small schools.
And to your point, there have been teams who have found lots of success without drafting WR high or utilizing the UDFA market. Doug Baldwin was undrafted, Victor Cruz was undrafted, Colston was drafted as TE in 7th round, and posted 6 seasons of over 1,000 yards receiving.
I think it all comes down to QB play, and scheme.
Your last sentence is on point...WR is probably one of the most dependent positions in football.
Well that is where top WR talent becomes key.
Josh Gordon, widely considered one of the top WRs at the time, was able to ball out with horrible QB play and rotating door of QBs.
Same goes for OBJ, or most of the top producing receivers who can overcome horrible QB play.There is something to the game above the game (or the meta-game) in other words, guys like Bellicheat see trends in the NFL and run a strategy that counters those trends exploits weaknesses in what everybody else is doing. That may be what Kyle sees - that everybody is going small and he goes big.Originally posted by NCommand:Fascinating piece on sizes of the WR's.
Small sample with selection bias concerns. But worth wondering: does the NFL have a WR size bias? pic.twitter.com/629GmznJLA
— Evan Silva (@evansilva) May 6, 2019
Two-time Madden champion Ryan Danczak (@ibestrafing) wrote a graduate paper on this very topic. This is a guy a smart team should hire: https://t.co/9ykXoqEER0
— Evan Silva (@evansilva) May 7, 2019
This is it for me.
My knee jerk reaction is that the big receiver trend was followed by a big corner trend and now smaller receivers are just enough quicker to get away from the big corners. Absolutely no data to support my hypothesis.
— Topper (@topperg) May 6, 2019
Just to clarify, Kyle finally got the league to go small and instantly goes plus sized...Matthews, Deebo, Hurd, K.Smith and Poindexter. Kyle's always one step ahead on offense.
— NCommand (@NCommand55) May 7, 2019
As for big WR's, I've always viewed TE's as big WR's. Brent Jones was one heck of a move TE that could catch. His blocking was but man o man could he catch verticals and contested balls.
Our new rookie big Wr's and Garcon 2.0's always remind me that the WCO is based on throwing on third down and short instead of handing it off to the arby for a short yardage gain. It doesn't surprise me to see ShanaLynch going after running backs that can catch and wide recievers that can run.
Most definitely. I think Kyle is going to abuse slot CB's and LB's with the TE1 and TE2 positions. Kyle's tailoring this offense towards Garoppolo's strengths. Jimmy loves the intermediate pass. Deebo (slant), Hurd (in breaking routes and extensive slot experience) and Kaden (seam master).