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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Absolutely. If we had executed the end zone fade properly against the Seahawks (with Sherman defending) in one championship game we would have gone to another SB. We would have won another SB against the Ravens if we could have thrown the fade properly. Far from being stupid fades are an important part of any red zone offense. Without them you either have to be able to pound the ball into the end zone or have a good kicker.

The fade against Sherman was an absurdly dumb call.

Fades are the most inefficient offensive play in the redzone.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The fade against Sherman was an absurdly dumb call.

Fades are the most inefficient offensive play in the redzone.


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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Absolutely. If we had executed the end zone fade properly against the Seahawks (with Sherman defending) in one championship game we would have gone to another SB. We would have won another SB against the Ravens if we could have thrown the fade properly. Far from being stupid fades are an important part of any red zone offense. Without them you either have to be able to pound the ball into the end zone or have a good kicker.

The fade against Sherman was an absurdly dumb call.

Fades are the most inefficient offensive play in the redzone.

They are also indefensible if executed properly.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by cciowa:
so mathews hurd smith and levine will all get cut?? lol. for two years we have been lectured that kyle likes small. breaking other guys ankles guys... well. very quietly. that has changed as is evidenced by who he has brought in

No he likes good route runners. Whether they be small or big.

Toilolo was brought in for competition more than anything. Don't know that he's even making the team.

well whether it be route runners like you say. the size like i say..... it is very obvious kyle was underwhelmed like many of us were by last years wide out so he did a big time shakeup. i also think you are undervaluing the new tight ends that were brought in, in my opinion kyle is looking for, as he should, a much better second tight end than a guy who caught. what five balls last year.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Absolutely. If we had executed the end zone fade properly against the Seahawks (with Sherman defending) in one championship game we would have gone to another SB. We would have won another SB against the Ravens if we could have thrown the fade properly. Far from being stupid fades are an important part of any red zone offense. Without them you either have to be able to pound the ball into the end zone or have a good kicker.

The fade against Sherman was an absurdly dumb call.

Fades are the most inefficient offensive play in the redzone.

I don't think so. But in this case, Sherman is 6'3" and Crabtree is 6'1". It was the dumbest decision in the world.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think so. But in this case, Sherman is 6'3" and Crabtree is 6'1". It was the dumbest decision in the world.

and crabs is not clutch hell. moss would have stood a better chance even if he was a dips**t during super bowl week
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think so. But in this case, Sherman is 6'3" and Crabtree is 6'1". It was the dumbest decision in the world.

and crabs is not clutch hell. moss would have stood a better chance even if he was a dips**t during super bowl week

If the DB was 5'10", Crabs wins that majority of the time. He did that well in OAK.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think so. But in this case, Sherman is 6'3" and Crabtree is 6'1". It was the dumbest decision in the world.

and crabs is not clutch hell. moss would have stood a better chance even if he was a dips**t during super bowl week

If the DB was 5'10", Crabs wins that majority of the time. He did that well in OAK.

maybe, but as you said.. it was a really dumb play call. then they did it again
Could it possibly be Kyle likes height, size and separation specialists...all of them? Anyone he can use to create a mismatch?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Could it possibly be Kyle likes height, size and separation specialists...all of them? Anyone he can use to create a mismatch?

I think he just likes separation and speed. All else doesn't matter.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Could it possibly be Kyle likes height, size and separation specialists...all of them? Anyone he can use to create a mismatch?

I think he values people who can separate and who have speed above all else. I think we would see more jump balls guys otherwise. Even the tall guys he brought in(Hurd, and Matthews) either change direction well, or are good route runners.
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Could it possibly be Kyle likes height, size and separation specialists...all of them? Anyone he can use to create a mismatch?

I think he values people who can separate and who have speed above all else. I think we would see more jump balls guys otherwise. Even the tall guys he brought in(Hurd, and Matthews) either change direction well, or are good route runners.

True... that's a huge portion of it. But the aforementioned aren't going to be able to separate like a Pettis, Taylor or Deebo either. But a Hurd is going to provide a physical mismatch on a 5'9" nickel slot CB as will the TE's on seam routes against LB's and S's with the same success as Coleman, Pettis and Deebo would have as route runners in the RZ. Ideally he'd like a Julio Jones who is both in one but...
Originally posted by Travis49erfan:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Absolutely. If we had executed the end zone fade properly against the Seahawks (with Sherman defending) in one championship game we would have gone to another SB. We would have won another SB against the Ravens if we could have thrown the fade properly. Far from being stupid fades are an important part of any red zone offense. Without them you either have to be able to pound the ball into the end zone or have a good kicker.

The fade against Sherman was an absurdly dumb call.

Fades are the most inefficient offensive play in the redzone.

They are also indefensible if executed properly.

Bingo! If the QB puts the right touch on the ball and the receiver has a size advantage the play often results in a TD or a PI with a first down on the one. Poorly executed it's not a good play but you can say that about every play. The Niners haven't had a QB that has that good soft touch or the bigger receivers for several years. Maybe this year they will have the personnel to make it work.
[ Edited by CatchMaster80 on May 16, 2019 at 1:23 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Could it possibly be Kyle likes height, size and separation specialists...all of them? Anyone he can use to create a mismatch?

No that can't be it, he's definitely 100% reversed course. Very soon everyone on the team will have to be at least 6'2".
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Bingo! If the QB puts the right touch on the ball and the receiver has a size advantage the play often results in a TD or a PI with a first down on the one. Poorly executed it's not a good play but you can say that about every play. The Niners haven't had a QB that has that good soft touch or the bigger receivers for several years. Maybe this year they will have the personnel to make it work.

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