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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
I'm still of the opinion Aldon Smith was average at best. It was apparent he benefited immensely from cowboy getting double teamed (and holding o linemen regularly). And became painfully obvious when cowboy was playing injured. Aldon's production fell off a cliff. Did he even record 1 sack with the Raiders? That is what has me absolutely jubilant about this years D line. No matter who is not doubled, I'm confident of them beating their man. Hell, even ST and AA should see a spike in their numbers.

Aldon was also hurt that year. He had labrum surgery right after the Superbowl. Not sure why people choose to ignore this.

Anyone thinking Aldon's production was inflated by Justin Smith needs to get their eyes checked or something because that's one of the silliest misconceptions I see 49er fans perpetuate. It's flat out dumb.

Imagine thinking the guy sending DAVID BAHKTIARI flying onto his ass with a beautiful power-to-hump move was only good because of Justin Smith lol. I've got a whole folder of Aldon demolishing some of the best tackles in the NFL, one-on-one, often times from the complete opposite side of the DL as Justin.



Speaking of Aldon, he was a master of Nick Bosa's favorite move: the jab-double swipe




Yeah that's completely ridiculous. Aldon was the complete package as a pass rusher.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Aldon was also hurt that year. He had labrum surgery right after the Superbowl. Not sure why people choose to ignore this.

Anyone thinking Aldon's production was inflated by Justin Smith needs to get their eyes checked or something because that's one of the silliest misconceptions I see 49er fans perpetuate. It's flat out dumb.

Imagine thinking the guy sending DAVID BAHKTIARI flying onto his ass with a beautiful power-to-hump move was only good because of Justin Smith lol. I've got a whole folder of Aldon demolishing some of the best tackles in the NFL, one-on-one, often times from the complete opposite side of the DL as Justin.



Speaking of Aldon, he was a master of Nick Bosa's favorite move: the jab-double swipe





That D was scary as hell in 2012. We whipped our dick out in Foxboro and slapped the Pats with it. That's the game where Kap looked all world.
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
That D was scary as hell in 2012. We whipped our dick out in Foxboro and slapped the Pats with it. That's the game where Kap looked all world.

That was the game where we became contenders...
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
That D was scary as hell in 2012. We whipped our dick out in Foxboro and slapped the Pats with it. That's the game where Kap looked all world.

That was the game where we became contenders...

That's the game Justin smith got hurt
Sucks
Originally posted by Heroism:
Aldon was also hurt that year. He had labrum surgery right after the Superbowl. Not sure why people choose to ignore this.

Anyone thinking Aldon's production was inflated by Justin Smith needs to get their eyes checked or something because that's one of the silliest misconceptions I see 49er fans perpetuate. It's flat out dumb.

Imagine thinking the guy sending DAVID BAHKTIARI flying onto his ass with a beautiful power-to-hump move was only good because of Justin Smith lol. I've got a whole folder of Aldon demolishing some of the best tackles in the NFL, one-on-one, often times from the complete opposite side of the DL as Justin.



Speaking of Aldon, he was a master of Nick Bosa's favorite move: the jab-double swipe




I wouldn't go as far as to say that Aldon's stats were inflated by Justin Smith, but with all do respect... to think he didn't benefit from Justin's presence is just ridiculous. Aldon's sack totals dropped considerably without Justin by his side. Injuries or not, Justin would take a lot of double teams. Look again at the middle video against the Patriots. Who is the second guy on top of Brady? Yep, that's Cowboy! If Aldon didn't get him, Justin would have. It was a great tandem and we shouldn't take away credit from either of them.
Peace!
[ Edited by vermonator on Jun 19, 2019 at 12:42 PM ]
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Originally posted by vermonator:
I wouldn't go as far as to say that Aldon's stats were inflated by Justin Smith, but with all do respect... to think he didn't benefit from Justin's presence is just ridiculous. Aldon's sack totals dropped considerably without Justin by his side. Injuries or not, Justin would take a lot of double teams. Look again at the middle video against the Patriots. Who is the second guy on top of Brady? Yep, that's Cowboy!
Peace!

That's the key in the 4-3 under. That DT. If you have a dominant DT that can draw doubles, that LEO is going to have a banner year. In that clip, it looked like Cowboy and Aldon faked a stunt and did a straight rush and wrongfooted the Patriots OLine to take the wrong blocking angles.
Originally posted by Giedi:
That's the key in the 4-3 under. That DT. If you have a dominant DT that can draw doubles, that LEO is going to have a banner year. In that clip, it looked like Cowboy and Aldon faked a stunt and did a straight rush and wrongfooted the Patriots OLine to take the wrong blocking angles.

Agree
Originally posted by Giedi:
That's the key in the 4-3 under. That DT. If you have a dominant DT that can draw doubles, that LEO is going to have a banner year. In that clip, it looked like Cowboy and Aldon faked a stunt and did a straight rush and wrongfooted the Patriots OLine to take the wrong blocking angles.

That's incorrect. What Aldon did was a jab-double swipe. Jab to freeze the tackle's feet and draw the punch; swipe to clear the hands.

Pass rush fundamentals 101


Aldon's technique was impeccable.

btw, what you're describing, Giedi, is what is called a coffeehouse stunt. It just so happens someone posted the 49ers running variant of one recently:

[ Edited by Heroism on Jun 19, 2019 at 1:49 PM ]
Originally posted by vermonator:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Aldon was also hurt that year. He had labrum surgery right after the Superbowl. Not sure why people choose to ignore this.

Anyone thinking Aldon's production was inflated by Justin Smith needs to get their eyes checked or something because that's one of the silliest misconceptions I see 49er fans perpetuate. It's flat out dumb.

Imagine thinking the guy sending DAVID BAHKTIARI flying onto his ass with a beautiful power-to-hump move was only good because of Justin Smith lol. I've got a whole folder of Aldon demolishing some of the best tackles in the NFL, one-on-one, often times from the complete opposite side of the DL as Justin.



Speaking of Aldon, he was a master of Nick Bosa's favorite move: the jab-double swipe




I wouldn't go as far as to say that Aldon's stats were inflated by Justin Smith, but with all do respect... to think he didn't benefit from Justin's presence is just ridiculous. Aldon's sack totals dropped considerably without Justin by his side. Injuries or not, Justin would take a lot of double teams. Look again at the middle video against the Patriots. Who is the second guy on top of Brady? Yep, that's Cowboy! If Aldon didn't get him, Justin would have. It was a great tandem and we shouldn't take away credit from either of them.
Peace!

Having a player like Justin Smith helps everyone but saying Aldon's sack numbers dropped without Justin is also not right.

Aldon Smith is the only reason for his decline, not Justin Smith. Maybe he wouldn't have been putting up numbers better than Reggie White but as Hero showed there were plenty of sacks/pressures that came from Aldon on his own accord with Justin not even being on the same side.

His drinking, off the field stuff and suspensions are what did him in.

The shoulder injury in 2012 prevented him from getting the season sack record. There was no doubt he was going to break it the way he was going. I believe he had something like 19.5 sacks through 13 games or something along those lines.

I still believe the injuries to both Smith's cost us a Lombardi. If those guys are healthy in that SB we're trying to get #7 right now.
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
That D was scary as hell in 2012. We whipped our dick out in Foxboro and slapped the Pats with it. That's the game where Kap looked all world.

And then we looked like dog s**t the next week @SEA

He sign yet
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
That D was scary as hell in 2012. We whipped our dick out in Foxboro and slapped the Pats with it. That's the game where Kap looked all world.

And then we looked like dog s**t the next week @SEA

We always looked like s**t in Seattle no matter what all of harbaugh's years with the exception of his first year when they had Tavarius Jackson at qb. When Justin tore his triceps the whole d took a big step backwards
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
I'm still of the opinion Aldon Smith was average at best. It was apparent he benefited immensely from cowboy getting double teamed (and holding o linemen regularly). And became painfully obvious when cowboy was playing injured. Aldon's production fell off a cliff. Did he even record 1 sack with the Raiders? That is what has me absolutely jubilant about this years D line. No matter who is not doubled, I'm confident of them beating their man. Hell, even ST and AA should see a spike in their numbers.

Aldon was also hurt that year. He had labrum surgery right after the Superbowl. Not sure why people choose to ignore this.

Anyone thinking Aldon's production was inflated by Justin Smith needs to get their eyes checked or something because that's one of the silliest misconceptions I see 49er fans perpetuate. It's flat out dumb.

Imagine thinking the guy sending DAVID BAHKTIARI flying onto his ass with a beautiful power-to-hump move was only good because of Justin Smith lol. I've got a whole folder of Aldon demolishing some of the best tackles in the NFL, one-on-one, often times from the complete opposite side of the DL as Justin.



Speaking of Aldon, he was a master of Nick Bosa's favorite move: the jab-double swipe




Cool story. Post his Raiders highlights.
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
I'm still of the opinion Aldon Smith was average at best. It was apparent he benefited immensely from cowboy getting double teamed (and holding o linemen regularly). And became painfully obvious when cowboy was playing injured. Aldon's production fell off a cliff. Did he even record 1 sack with the Raiders? That is what has me absolutely jubilant about this years D line. No matter who is not doubled, I'm confident of them beating their man. Hell, even ST and AA should see a spike in their numbers.

Aldon was also hurt that year. He had labrum surgery right after the Superbowl. Not sure why people choose to ignore this.

Anyone thinking Aldon's production was inflated by Justin Smith needs to get their eyes checked or something because that's one of the silliest misconceptions I see 49er fans perpetuate. It's flat out dumb.

Imagine thinking the guy sending DAVID BAHKTIARI flying onto his ass with a beautiful power-to-hump move was only good because of Justin Smith lol. I've got a whole folder of Aldon demolishing some of the best tackles in the NFL, one-on-one, often times from the complete opposite side of the DL as Justin.



Speaking of Aldon, he was a master of Nick Bosa's favorite move: the jab-double swipe




Cool story. Post his Raiders highlights.

Originally posted by wailers15:
He sign yet

Still trying to reach the pen.
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