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Aug 15, 2019 at 11:36 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Not sure if anyone has posted this, but I found this little nugget on Reddit. Has a link to a cool Youtube video explaining the high ankle sprain and how it pertains to Bosa.

https://www.reddit.com/r/49ers/comments/cqptk6/oc_nick_bosas_right_ankle_syndesmotic_tear_high/

Nice video but a few things wrong like Nick having the ACL injury and the others within 3 years.

ACL was his senior year of HS.
3 years at OSU

So he really only had 1 injury in 3 years.

He also didn't have a hamstring tear. Just a small strain.

I was gonna say this...
Aug 15, 2019 at 11:40 AM
Originally posted by okdkid:
A strain is a tear. A muscle "stretch" that causes injury is literally small tears in the muscle fiber. That is why there is an injury. It is the only reason there is an injury in the muscle. The more severe and extensive the tears (or "stretch") the higher grade it gets (ex: 1, 2, 3).

What you should say to defend Bosa is that "it was just a grade 1". Saying it wasn't a hamstring tear is impossible. Otherwise, he wouldn't have had an injury.

If he just "stretched" his hamstring but didn't tear it... he would just be in yoga class.

So pulled hamstring is the same a a hamstring tear?

Grade 1 (what he had) hamstring-is a mild muscle pull.

Grade 2/3 there's partial and complete muscle tears.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Aug 15, 2019 at 11:42 AM ]
Aug 15, 2019 at 11:42 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Relax people. At DE, he needs that ankle to be 100% to anchor and bend. If that thing is weak and gives out again you're going to lose him for most of the season. Don't rush him back. Ford will be back in a week and Moore looks good against the run and pass so far. If we needs a couple more weeks, take it. Bye week is week 3.

Agree, need him for the Nov to Dec run, not week 1
[ Edited by ChaunceyGardner on Aug 15, 2019 at 11:43 AM ]
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:06 PM
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Not sure if anyone has posted this, but I found this little nugget on Reddit. Has a link to a cool Youtube video explaining the high ankle sprain and how it pertains to Bosa.

https://www.reddit.com/r/49ers/comments/cqptk6/oc_nick_bosas_right_ankle_syndesmotic_tear_high/

Nice video but a few things wrong like Nick having the ACL injury and the others within 3 years.

ACL was his senior year of HS.
3 years at OSU

So he really only had 1 injury in 3 years.

He also didn't have a hamstring tear. Just a small strain.

A strain is a tear. A muscle "stretch" that causes injury is literally small tears in the muscle fiber. That is why there is an injury. It is the only reason there is an injury in the muscle. The more severe and extensive the tears (or "stretch") the higher grade it gets (ex: 1, 2, 3).

What you should say to defend Bosa is that "it was just a grade 1". Saying it wasn't a hamstring tear is impossible. Otherwise, he wouldn't have had an injury.

If he just "stretched" his hamstring but didn't tear it... he would just be in yoga class.

To me calling that injury a hamstring tear(i don't recall him putting a grade on it but could be wrong) indicates the injury was much more severe than what it was.

You can get into the semantics of it but whether intentional or not the injury history was made more serious than it was.
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:11 PM
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Relax people. At DE, he needs that ankle to be 100% to anchor and bend. If that thing is weak and gives out again you're going to lose him for most of the season. Don't rush him back. Ford will be back in a week and Moore looks good against the run and pass so far. If we needs a couple more weeks, take it. Bye week is week 3.

Agree, need him for the Nov to Dec run, not week 1

Nov. to Jan. (Feb. if you're reeeeeeally optimistic)
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:15 PM
Originally posted by RTFirefly:
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Relax people. At DE, he needs that ankle to be 100% to anchor and bend. If that thing is weak and gives out again you're going to lose him for most of the season. Don't rush him back. Ford will be back in a week and Moore looks good against the run and pass so far. If we needs a couple more weeks, take it. Bye week is week 3.

Agree, need him for the Nov to Dec run, not week 1

Nov. to Jan. (Feb. if you're reeeeeeally optimistic)

Let's do it...
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:26 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Not sure if anyone has posted this, but I found this little nugget on Reddit. Has a link to a cool Youtube video explaining the high ankle sprain and how it pertains to Bosa.

https://www.reddit.com/r/49ers/comments/cqptk6/oc_nick_bosas_right_ankle_syndesmotic_tear_high/

Nice video but a few things wrong like Nick having the ACL injury and the others within 3 years.

ACL was his senior year of HS.
3 years at OSU

So he really only had 1 injury in 3 years.

He also didn't have a hamstring tear. Just a small strain.

A strain is a tear. A muscle "stretch" that causes injury is literally small tears in the muscle fiber. That is why there is an injury. It is the only reason there is an injury in the muscle. The more severe and extensive the tears (or "stretch") the higher grade it gets (ex: 1, 2, 3).

What you should say to defend Bosa is that "it was just a grade 1". Saying it wasn't a hamstring tear is impossible. Otherwise, he wouldn't have had an injury.

If he just "stretched" his hamstring but didn't tear it... he would just be in yoga class.

To me calling that injury a hamstring tear(i don't recall him putting a grade on it but could be wrong) indicates the injury was much more severe than what it was.

You can get into the semantics of it but whether intentional or not the injury history was made more serious than it was.

Yes his hamstring injury at the beginning of OTA's was technically a tear but a microscopic one, not a full complete hamstring tear.
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
So pulled hamstring is the same a a hamstring tear?

Grade 1 (what he had) hamstring-is a mild muscle pull.

Grade 2/3 there's partial and complete muscle tears.

Yes. A strain is a tear. The grade refers to the severity of the tear.
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by ninerjok:
Yes his hamstring injury at the beginning of OTA's was technically a tear but a microscopic one, not a full complete hamstring tear.

Correct. Any strain is a tear. That is the injury that requires healing.
Aug 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
Yes his hamstring injury at the beginning of OTA's was technically a tear but a microscopic one, not a full complete hamstring tear.

Correct. Any strain is a tear. That is the injury that requires healing.

Not all tears are created equal :)

Aug 15, 2019 at 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
Yes his hamstring injury at the beginning of OTA's was technically a tear but a microscopic one, not a full complete hamstring tear.

Correct. Any strain is a tear. That is the injury that requires healing.

Not all tears are created equal :)

That is why they use the aforementioned grading system.
Aug 15, 2019 at 1:01 PM
Originally posted by okdkid:
That is why they use the aforementioned grading system.

grade 1 – a mild muscle pull or strain
grade 2 – a partial muscle tear
grade 3 – a complete muscle tear

.
Aug 15, 2019 at 1:04 PM
Grade1(mild)

http://sma.org.au/resources-advice/injury-fact-sheets/hamstring-strain/

Description

-Overstretching without tearing of muscle or tendon fibres.
-Symptoms may not present, until activity is over.
-Usually no loss of muscular strength or flexibility.
-Increased tightness in the muscle during stretch or through a full range of motion.
-A feeling of pain may be reported with sitting or while walking uphill or ascending stairs.
-Depending on the severity, weight bearing activities may or may not be possible, walking properly may be possible and there will be minimal swelling.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Aug 15, 2019 at 1:05 PM ]
Aug 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
Yes his hamstring injury at the beginning of OTA's was technically a tear but a microscopic one, not a full complete hamstring tear.

Correct. Any strain is a tear. That is the injury that requires healing.

information can be found supporting any side. You make a blanket statement that isn't true. here : "A hamstring injury is a strain or tear to the tendons or large muscles at the back of the thigh." And here: "A hamstring strain can be a pull, a partial tear, or a complete tear. "
Unless you have his medical report, you can't say it was a tear.
Either way, I hope they keep him out at least a couple of regular season games
Aug 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM
Originally posted by tommyncal:
information can be found supporting any side. You make a blanket statement that isn't true. here : "A hamstring injury is a strain or tear to the tendons or large muscles at the back of the thigh." And here: "A hamstring strain can be a pull, a partial tear, or a complete tear. "
Unless you have his medical report, you can't say it was a tear.
Either way, I hope they keep him out at least a couple of regular season games

You hope they keep him out?! I get it if the injury warrants it, but if he's available, then he should play.
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