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  • Giedi
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I know some don't like our LBs, but I do, Warner and Kwon can play MIKE and WILL, Greenlaw looks like he can play SAM, MIKE and WILL, same for Smith, and Nzeocha. Lee MIKE and WILL, Mayo will be a key ST'er, kinda like Blake Costanzo days.

Yup...here is JD talking about the LB's in this new scheme.

The downside is that if you don't have LB's who can fill holes well and often, there's the potential for big runs given up. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. The shortest way to the goal line is to run the ball up the middle and that's what the wide 9 gives up. You gotta have space eaters and guys who can dominate inside and LB's who can fill to run this correctly. However, I think it gives us more flexibility to our LB's than previously. Now, your SAM doesn't have to be a different LB type altogether from your other LB's. Instead of keeping 2-3 SAMs, and 4-5 stack backers, you keep 5-6 LB's and have interchangeability with all of them.

I just dont think linebackers are important in a wide nine alignment. That formation is primarily a pass defense- not a run defense. So if I'm going to play wide 9, and I have guys like Ford and Bosa crashing down on the DE positions, all I need are fast linebackers that can tackle well in space.

I'd place my emphasis on coverage corners in this kind of defense. Guys that can play man coverage or jam the WR and then run with him.

I think we have the requisite personnel to play base defense, the only thing missing is that hybrid safety/linebacker that really can disguise coverages and give the opposing QB a wrong read on first down passes.

They're actually more important in this scheme because they need to take on G's more and fill holes incredibly quickly or bad things will happen. A SAM is now like the MIKE and WILL...not a Mark Nzeocha who plays 200 snaps a year in our base cover-3. If they all do their job well, Saleh may run less snickel and more nascar...we hope.

If you are in long yardage, you'd actually want offenses to run against a wide nine because you'd only use a wide 9 in *pass defense.* I.e. long yardage situations where a fast nickel defense can swarm on a draw play or quick hitter. So I disagree on linebackers are important in a wide 9 pass defense. It's the DB's, safties, that can defend the deep routes so that the QB will dump off on the flat or the middle and have the linebackers converge and prevent RAC's from occurring and forcing the offense to go three and out.

If you are on 3rd and two, depending on the personnel, you employ a base defense and yes, in that alignment - the linebackers are important because the opposing team can pass to the flat, do a screen, or dump off to the middle of the field for a first down. In that case the D Line composition becomes important because you should bring in Solomon Thomas at Big End and Move Dee Ford to a linebacker position, and Bosa at LEO etc... in other words, have a much more heavy linebacker-centric defense to stop the run as well as do a good job closing off any short yardage passes.
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[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 10, 2019 at 1:22 PM ]
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I know some don't like our LBs, but I do, Warner and Kwon can play MIKE and WILL, Greenlaw looks like he can play SAM, MIKE and WILL, same for Smith, and Nzeocha. Lee MIKE and WILL, Mayo will be a key ST'er, kinda like Blake Costanzo days.
Man...I'm glad to hear this from you, AB... I'm not sold on the depth of that crew at all. Seems like too many of those guys are ST players only.

Cheers!
  • Giedi
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I need some David Mayo news!
Originally posted by Giedi:
I need some David Mayo news!

I need some Mayo needing Mayo news
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I need some David Mayo news!

I need some Mayo needing Mayo news

Gross. You leave his penis out of this.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I need some David Mayo news!

I need some Mayo needing Mayo news

Gross. You leave his penis out of this.

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Originally posted by longterm9erfan:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I know some don't like our LBs, but I do, Warner and Kwon can play MIKE and WILL, Greenlaw looks like he can play SAM, MIKE and WILL, same for Smith, and Nzeocha. Lee MIKE and WILL, Mayo will be a key ST'er, kinda like Blake Costanzo days.
Man...I'm glad to hear this from you, AB... I'm not sold on the depth of that crew at all. Seems like too many of those guys are ST players only.

Cheers!

I have a good feeling about Greenlaw, could be the SAM LB'er for us. I get the whole too many ST guys, hopefully some of these guys don't need to play LB'er, and we can stay healthy.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I need some David Mayo news!

I need some Mayo needing Mayo news

Gross. You leave his penis out of this.

I'm sure David has a penis, but I'm sure I was talking about football news vs *other* news.
John Chapman recently did a podcast using my format; he just inverted the scoring scale and mine had a few more specific categories. Here was his results (I added in the missing position groups such as specialists):

Scale: 4, 3, 2, 1

Offensive Personnel:
QB: Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Arizona
RB/FB: Arizona, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle
TE1/TE2/OW: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Arizona, Seattle
XWR/SWR/ZWR: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle
LT/RT: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona
C/LG/RG: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona

Offensive Talent: Los Angeles 21, San Francisco 14, Seattle 11, Arizona 11

Defensive Personnel:
NT/DT: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona
DE/ER: San Francisco, Arizona, Los Angeles, Seattle
SAM/MIKE/TED/WILL: Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, Los Angeles
RCB/SCB/LCB: Los Angeles, Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle
FS/SS: Los Angeles, Seattle, Arizona, San Francisco

Defensive Talent: Los Angeles 15, San Francisco 13, Arizona 11, Seattle 11

Special Teams:
LS/PK/P/PR/KOR: Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Arizona

Special Teams Talent: Seattle 4, San Francisco 3, Los Angeles 2, Arizona 1

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Overall/Total: Los Angeles 38, San Francisco 30, Seattle 26, Arizona 23

Feel free to do your own.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 28, 2019 at 9:48 AM ]

Originally posted by NCommand:
John Chapman recently did a podcast using my format; he just inverted the scoring scale and mine had a few more specific categories. Here was his results (I added in the missing position groups such as specialists):

Scale: 4, 3, 2, 1

Offensive Personnel:
QB: Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Arizona
RB/FB: Arizona, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle
TE1/TE2/OW: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Arizona, Seattle
XWR/SWR/ZWR: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle
LT/RT: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona
C/LG/RG: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona

Offensive Talent: Los Angeles 21, San Francisco 14, Seattle 11, Arizona 11

Defensive Personnel:
NT/DT: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona
DE/ER: San Francisco, Arizona, Los Angeles, Seattle
SAM/MIKE/TED/WILL: Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, Los Angeles
RCB/SCB/LCB: Los Angeles, Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle
FS/SS: Los Angeles, Seattle, Arizona, San Francisco

Defensive Talent: Los Angeles 15, San Francisco 13, Arizona 11, Seattle 11

Special Teams:
LS/PK/P/PR/KOR: Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Arizona

Special Teams Talent: Seattle 4, San Francisco 3, Los Angeles 2, Arizona 1

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Overall/Total: Los Angeles 38, San Francisco 30, Seattle 26, Arizona 23

Feel free to do your own.

Arizona WR group could be pretty good
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Arizona WR group could be pretty good

Yeah, they could be crazy good. Agreed.
Originally posted by NCommand:
John Chapman recently did a podcast using my format; he just inverted the scoring scale and mine had a few more specific categories. Here was his results (I added in the missing position groups such as specialists):

Scale: 4, 3, 2, 1

Offensive Personnel:
QB: Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Arizona
RB/FB: Arizona, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle
TE1/TE2/OW: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Arizona, Seattle
XWR/SWR/ZWR: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle
LT/RT: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona
C/LG/RG: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona

Offensive Talent: Los Angeles 21, San Francisco 14, Seattle 11, Arizona 11

Defensive Personnel:
NT/DT: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona
DE/ER: San Francisco, Arizona, Los Angeles, Seattle
SAM/MIKE/TED/WILL: Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona, Los Angeles
RCB/SCB/LCB: Los Angeles, Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle
FS/SS: Los Angeles, Seattle, Arizona, San Francisco

Defensive Talent: Los Angeles 15, San Francisco 13, Arizona 11, Seattle 11

Special Teams:
LS/PK/P/PR/KOR: Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Arizona

Special Teams Talent: Seattle 4, San Francisco 3, Los Angeles 2, Arizona 1

---------

Overall/Total: Los Angeles 38, San Francisco 30, Seattle 26, Arizona 23

Feel free to do your own.

I have no issue with this, I agree it's between LA and Us for NFC West right now, SEA has a gutted roster, they paid Russell, but they could have issues with others wanting new deals, and some holdouts. I think Bobby Wagner is one.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Arizona WR group could be pretty good

Yeah, they could be crazy good. Agreed.

Absolutely. We have to get to Murray and get to him fast. So glad we don't have to play Arizona with last year''s defense.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I have no issue with this, I agree it's between LA and Us for NFC West right now, SEA has a gutted roster, they paid Russell, but they could have issues with others wanting new deals, and some holdouts. I think Bobby Wagner is one.

Yeah it seems very fair. I haven't done my own but it probably wouldn't be too much different. Obviously this is just on talent and depth alone and not on any intangibles like playoff experience, coaching, X's and O's, player development, etc. But it'll be fun to check back after the season on this as well.
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