Originally posted by Waterbear:
What did I say you needed to win? Talenr, coaching and effort. Tom Brady and BB are the best coach and qb tandem of all time. (sorry guys I still say Montana best qb though). You don't think that has anything to do with it? Lol. Stop being dishonest you are saying the exact same things other people have said who dug themselves into a hole.
Again... Talent, effort and coaching. The browns got new coaching and are playing better. What does that tell you? They established a culture by winning a few games?! Or maybe they are coached better and playing with more effort? A winning culture is cute but doesn't actually mean anything in the real world.
Again the fact that you can find great players at other draft slots doesn't mean that winning this game gives makes us better than landing a player like Bosa.
This is the same rehashed arguments other people who wanted this win based off their own emotions have said.
It's one thing to say if a fan should or should not root for losses. If we were having that conversation I could concede to you that hoping for losses might not be the right thing to do but yet I still want to win in the FUTURE and not now in a lost season.
It's another thing to argue that winning this one game was better than getting Bosa. There is no evidence to back up that claim so you and everyone else like you change the arguments to points like you made above.
It's embarrassing honestly.
This post makes me laugh, it's so full of inconsistency, bad logic, false equivalence, hysteria and hurt emotions.
We both agree talent, coaching and effort are required to win but your entire argument is based on the notion that getting the number one pick is the ONLY way to secure talent in the draft, having previously stated that "winning one game is not > Bosa". Then you cite Tom Brady and Bill Belichick whilst being unaware of the obvious flaw in your argument - Tom Brady was a sixth round pick and the Patriots have continually been picking late in the draft order for a decade (as I had pointed out) and therefore have secured their talent without being the number one pick, which is precisely my point. So is their success coaching or development of those players they get? It's not because TB is an incandescent talent, he's very, very good but considered a system QB by many. Aaron Rodgers is a much better QB and his career potential has never been reached because of poor coaching, poor talent but also the attitude in GB of expecting Rodgers to be able to carry every game for them. NE is successful, Pittsburgh is successful and many others not by always drafting high but by drafting smart and maximising what they get from those players. In the last 4 years we've continually picked before them, by your logic that should mean we're much more talented.
You cite talent, effort and coaching but your entire stance is based on the team displaying no effort in order to secure that number one pick. Or do you want some effort and then to lose in a "moral victory"? I strongly suspect from your posting style that if I search your username I'll find quotes saying no such thing as a moral victory - oh wait:
Oct 15, 2018 @ 8.28pm Greenbay game thread, page 194 "We add one decent edge rusher and this is a different team. I know there is no moral victories but we came to play. Proud of this team."
Oddly, that seems entirely different from your attitude to this thread, but what do you want? Effort in a losing moral victory, or to dismiss effort and coaching as secondary to talent? Because it's effort and coaching that won us this game. You don't get to claim effort matters and then criticize a win that was all about the effort of the players without looking a fool.
Almost every winning team in every sport has a game that is considered a turn around point for them, and it normally occurs the season before they go onto a great performances - such as the 1980 Week 14 game against the Saints for us.
My claim is not that winning one game is better than getting Bosa, my claim is the that the manner in which we won this game (and the Broncos) means more than the difference between Bosa and Josh Allen or Jachai Polite or whomever else because it was the character of the 53 man squad that allowed us to do that.
Your claim that there is no evidence to back up my claim that this win is better than drafting Bosa is indicative of your inability to understand the argument - my view is conjecture yes, but your view that drafting Bosa will have a better effect than winning this game is also conjecture, you have no evidence to back that claim up. However your argument is an "all eggs in one basket" approach. You, and others like you, believe wholeheartedly that the future of this franchise is tied up in the actions of one (or a handful) of players whilst I believe that the future of this franchise is in setting expectations for everyone in the franchise and meeting them.
Where your argument falls down is risk: you pin the future success on a projected performance of one (or a handful) of players that you anticipate will dominate in games (without evidence to back up your claim) without addressing the argument of what the team does if that player ends up injured, a bust or struggling. What then? Should the team just pack it in for the season so we can pick high again next year? That is the heart of your logic and that attitude breeds losers.
So in conclusion, the only embarrassing things in this thread are your blatant about-face from what you posted in the Green Bay game day thread and your illogical and inconsistent mind.
... we can only hope the 3rd year is a charm. Hopefully he can do much better with guys coming back with some experience and from bringing in better talent. 
