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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I have no faith in the coaching staff or front office.

After this loss, I don't even know what to think about Kyle.

If we cloned this team and had KS and Tomsula play head to head, I'm not sure who wins. I at least know Tom would have his players playing hard. Bludgeon. Bludgeon. Bludgeon!

are you serious? LOL. give Shanny his injury-free starters and he whoops Tomsula's ass. Tomsula is nothing compared to Shanahan. nothing. lol. you people are insane.
[ Edited by defenderDX on Oct 28, 2018 at 5:29 PM ]
His ego is fing him up
Originally posted by socal1632:
Originally posted by Loco49er:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I have no faith in the coaching staff or front office.

After this loss, I don't even know what to think about Kyle.

Another great OC that's a bad HC

Unfortunately, until proven utherwise, this appears to possibly be the case
Norv turner 2.0
Originally posted by Nastastical:
This makes zero sense. Cousins wasn't Cousins right away either. He was pretty bad early in his career too and that was also to be expected considering how complex an offense KS runs.

CJ is starting because of poor play by Hoyer and an injury by Jimmy, not because he's ready. Even with being thrown into the fire, he's still showing that he can be a quality player in this league one day. His biggest weakness is he's not at a point yet where he can make quick decisions with the football... guess what? most young QB's have that exact same problem. It wasn't until recently where a young QB got thrown in as a starter before sitting for a couple seasons and learning. Hell, there are first round QB's who struggled way more than our 3rd round QB.

CJ is beyond bad.
Originally posted by 4-islander-9:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Both teams are lacking play makers, bottom line is Shanny got out coached / Saleh got out coached.

Our depth blows because our GM didn't do much in the offseason. Talent evaluation blows...

Pinion is a below average, veteran punter, might as well cut him tonight and bring in tryouts.

This

I guess people are forgetting that CJ was Shanny's hand-selected guy in 2017 touted as the "best QB in the draft" that year. He had "some of the same things Kurt Cousins had" right? So if you eval was so off that your hand-selected QB can't win is an incredible admission to me. I mean seriously if you just want someone who you can hike the ball to and hand it off, don't make the pick until Round 6 right? LOL

It's extremely difficult to understand why CJ hasn't been benched yet.
Every 6 games, he'll have a decent one.
But just watch him play. He has not business being on the field at all.
It's even more difficult to grasp why a functional backup to JG wasn't brought in during the off season. We watched CJ last season too.

He processor is slow as hell,I thought Kap was slow processing what he see, but this guy is not a NFL QB,he should be a RB not a QB ...but ole Stubborn will stick with CJ come hell or high water......
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by socal1632:
Originally posted by Loco49er:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I have no faith in the coaching staff or front office.

After this loss, I don't even know what to think about Kyle.

Another great OC that's a bad HC

Unfortunately, until proven utherwise, this appears to possibly be the case
Norv turner 2.0

Yep.. He is not a leader of men it does not appear
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I have no faith in the coaching staff or front office.

After this loss, I don't even know what to think about Kyle.

If we cloned this team and had KS and Tomsula play head to head, I'm not sure who wins. I at least know Tom would have his players playing hard. Bludgeon. Bludgeon. Bludgeon!

are you serious? LOL. give Shanny his injury-free starters and he whoops Tomsula's ass. Tomsula is nothing compared to Shanahan. nothing. lol. you people are insane.
Whatever, dude. KS is proving to be a cultivator of losers. There is so much more to football than drawing up cool offensive scheme. This team could easily be beat on either side of the ball.
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Both teams are lacking play makers, bottom line is Shanny got out coached / Saleh got out coached.

Our depth blows because our GM didn't do much in the offseason. Talent evaluation blows...

Pinion is a below average, veteran punter, might as well cut him tonight and bring in tryouts.

This

I guess people are forgetting that CJ was Shanny's hand-selected guy in 2017 touted as the "best QB in the draft" that year. He had "some of the same things Kurt Cousins had" right? So if you eval was so off that your hand-selected QB can't win is an incredible admission to me. I mean seriously if you just want someone who you can hike the ball to and hand it off, don't make the pick until Round 6 right? LOL

This makes zero sense. Cousins wasn't Cousins right away either. He was pretty bad early in his career too and that was also to be expected considering how complex an offense KS runs.

CJ is starting because of poor play by Hoyer and an injury by Jimmy, not because he's ready. Even with being thrown into the fire, he's still showing that he can be a quality player in this league one day. His biggest weakness is he's not at a point yet where he can make quick decisions with the football... guess what? most young QB's have that exact same problem. It wasn't until recently where a young QB got thrown in as a starter before sitting for a couple seasons and learning. Hell, there are first round QB's who struggled way more than our 3rd round QB.
Rosen don`t seem to have a problem processing the field,hell he beat us did`nt HE....not buying the s**t you are selling.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I have no faith in the coaching staff or front office.

After this loss, I don't even know what to think about Kyle.

If we cloned this team and had KS and Tomsula play head to head, I'm not sure who wins. I at least know Tom would have his players playing hard. Bludgeon. Bludgeon. Bludgeon!

are you serious? LOL. give Shanny his injury-free starters and he whoops Tomsula's ass. Tomsula is nothing compared to Shanahan. nothing. lol. you people are insane.
Whatever, dude. KS is proving to be a cultivator of losers. There is so much more to football than drawing up cool offensive scheme. This team could easily be beat on either side of the ball.
x2, How do you loose to a NEW OC,a Rookie QB,,,Loose to a rookie QB TWICE
Originally posted by Nastastical:
This makes zero sense. Cousins wasn't Cousins right away either. He was pretty bad early in his career too and that was also to be expected considering how complex an offense KS runs.

CJ is starting because of poor play by Hoyer and an injury by Jimmy, not because he's ready. Even with being thrown into the fire, he's still showing that he can be a quality player in this league one day. His biggest weakness is he's not at a point yet where he can make quick decisions with the football... guess what? most young QB's have that exact same problem. It wasn't until recently where a young QB got thrown in as a starter before sitting for a couple seasons and learning. Hell, there are first round QB's who struggled way more than our 3rd round QB.

I know this and is the point I'm making is this; when you're in STARTING a rebuild, you do NOT take a project player in the 3rd round. You don't take a player who's not going to be able to help you win consistently. It's time to review the 2017 draft and that's what this is about. I'm well aware that Cousins wasn't "Cousins" when he started but he was taken with the luxury of not being the starter for a team not needing a complete and total rebuild at almost every position. I'm taking a QB when you tell me "we're not going to mortgage our future" with the implication that draft picks are soooooooo precious, you expect good starters with most of them, especially, especially a 3rd rounder.

I couldnt help but just laugh at how this game ended it couldnt have been a more perfect way to describe the 2018 season.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Originally posted by 4-islander-9:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Both teams are lacking play makers, bottom line is Shanny got out coached / Saleh got out coached.

Our depth blows because our GM didn't do much in the offseason. Talent evaluation blows...

Pinion is a below average, veteran punter, might as well cut him tonight and bring in tryouts.

This

I guess people are forgetting that CJ was Shanny's hand-selected guy in 2017 touted as the "best QB in the draft" that year. He had "some of the same things Kurt Cousins had" right? So if you eval was so off that your hand-selected QB can't win is an incredible admission to me. I mean seriously if you just want someone who you can hike the ball to and hand it off, don't make the pick until Round 6 right? LOL

It's extremely difficult to understand why CJ hasn't been benched yet.
Every 6 games, he'll have a decent one.
But just watch him play. He has not business being on the field at all.
It's even more difficult to grasp why a functional backup to JG wasn't brought in during the off season. We watched CJ last season too.

He processor is slow as hell,I thought Kap was slow processing what he see, but this guy is not a NFL QB,he should be a RB not a QB ...but ole Stubborn will stick with CJ come hell or high water......

Some guys have Atari 5200 processors and some have xbox one processors. Big difference. CJ is somewhere in the n64 range I would say.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Originally posted by 4-islander-9:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Both teams are lacking play makers, bottom line is Shanny got out coached / Saleh got out coached.

Our depth blows because our GM didn't do much in the offseason. Talent evaluation blows...

Pinion is a below average, veteran punter, might as well cut him tonight and bring in tryouts.

This

I guess people are forgetting that CJ was Shanny's hand-selected guy in 2017 touted as the "best QB in the draft" that year. He had "some of the same things Kurt Cousins had" right? So if you eval was so off that your hand-selected QB can't win is an incredible admission to me. I mean seriously if you just want someone who you can hike the ball to and hand it off, don't make the pick until Round 6 right? LOL

It's extremely difficult to understand why CJ hasn't been benched yet.
Every 6 games, he'll have a decent one.
But just watch him play. He has not business being on the field at all.
It's even more difficult to grasp why a functional backup to JG wasn't brought in during the off season. We watched CJ last season too.

He processor is slow as hell,I thought Kap was slow processing what he see, but this guy is not a NFL QB,he should be a RB not a QB ...but ole Stubborn will stick with CJ come hell or high water......

Cousins struggled early, Ryan too, and Jimmy didn't look like the Jimmy from last season when Shanny gave him the whole playbook to run. Everyone knows this offense takes time to learn, yet you guys expect a 3rd round QB in his 2nd season to have it mastered? CJ looks overwhelmed right now and this is why he holds onto the ball too long. His brain, eyes and arm aren't working together right now.

Our one biggest mistake was not bringing in Matt Schaub, but I can understand why they didn't want to carry 3 QB's or if Schaub even wanted to keep playing. No one expected Jimmy to be lost in week 3.
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Originally posted by 4-islander-9:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Both teams are lacking play makers, bottom line is Shanny got out coached / Saleh got out coached.

Our depth blows because our GM didn't do much in the offseason. Talent evaluation blows...

Pinion is a below average, veteran punter, might as well cut him tonight and bring in tryouts.

This

I guess people are forgetting that CJ was Shanny's hand-selected guy in 2017 touted as the "best QB in the draft" that year. He had "some of the same things Kurt Cousins had" right? So if you eval was so off that your hand-selected QB can't win is an incredible admission to me. I mean seriously if you just want someone who you can hike the ball to and hand it off, don't make the pick until Round 6 right? LOL

It's extremely difficult to understand why CJ hasn't been benched yet.
Every 6 games, he'll have a decent one.
But just watch him play. He has not business being on the field at all.
It's even more difficult to grasp why a functional backup to JG wasn't brought in during the off season. We watched CJ last season too.

He processor is slow as hell,I thought Kap was slow processing what he see, but this guy is not a NFL QB,he should be a RB not a QB ...but ole Stubborn will stick with CJ come hell or high water......

Cousins struggled early, Ryan too, and Jimmy didn't look like the Jimmy from last season when Shanny gave him the whole playbook to run. Everyone knows this offense takes time to learn, yet you guys expect a 3rd round QB in his 2nd season to have it mastered? CJ looks overwhelmed right now and this is why he holds onto the ball too long. His brain, eyes and arm aren't working together right now.

Our one biggest mistake was not bringing in Matt Schaub, but I can understand why they didn't want to carry 3 QB's or if Schaub even wanted to keep playing. No one expected Jimmy to be lost in week 3.

Time for management to admit CJ was a mistake.
Nothing else.
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Originally posted by 4-islander-9:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Both teams are lacking play makers, bottom line is Shanny got out coached / Saleh got out coached.

Our depth blows because our GM didn't do much in the offseason. Talent evaluation blows...

Pinion is a below average, veteran punter, might as well cut him tonight and bring in tryouts.

This

I guess people are forgetting that CJ was Shanny's hand-selected guy in 2017 touted as the "best QB in the draft" that year. He had "some of the same things Kurt Cousins had" right? So if you eval was so off that your hand-selected QB can't win is an incredible admission to me. I mean seriously if you just want someone who you can hike the ball to and hand it off, don't make the pick until Round 6 right? LOL

It's extremely difficult to understand why CJ hasn't been benched yet.
Every 6 games, he'll have a decent one.
But just watch him play. He has not business being on the field at all.
It's even more difficult to grasp why a functional backup to JG wasn't brought in during the off season. We watched CJ last season too.

He processor is slow as hell,I thought Kap was slow processing what he see, but this guy is not a NFL QB,he should be a RB not a QB ...but ole Stubborn will stick with CJ come hell or high water......

Cousins struggled early, Ryan too, and Jimmy didn't look like the Jimmy from last season when Shanny gave him the whole playbook to run. Everyone knows this offense takes time to learn, yet you guys expect a 3rd round QB in his 2nd season to have it mastered? CJ looks overwhelmed right now and this is why he holds onto the ball too long. His brain, eyes and arm aren't working together right now.

Our one biggest mistake was not bringing in Matt Schaub, but I can understand why they didn't want to carry 3 QB's or if Schaub even wanted to keep playing. No one expected Jimmy to be lost in week 3.

There's a pretty simple solution. If you know feeding the QB the complete playbook is going to cripple the offense, don't feed him the whole fricken playbook. Makes sense to me. No matter how you slice it, that's poor coaching.

Also, our team problems are much deeper than one position. This team plays like trash all around.
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