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Turnovers: More on the Coaches or Players?

Turnovers: More on the Coaches or Players?

This is certainly a hot debate right now. Some fans point to repeated issues indicating a coaching failure, while other fans point to clear gaps in talent, such as the drop-off from Jimmy to Beathard, as the bigger determinant for giving away the ball.

Where do you draw the line? What exactly can a coach do to prevent turnovers, and in your opinion, at what point has he done all he possibly can to address it? Are there situations where it wouldn't matter what he does? Does it work both ways? At what point is the offensive player just being put in an impossible position?

Discuss.
Turnovers, both making them on O and creating them on D, are more on the players. On offense, you always have to put ball security at a premium and play like that (don't hold the ball loosely as a RB, have good pocket awareness and make good decisions as a QB, etc.). On defense, creating TOs many times comes down to just having playmakers, especially when it comes to INTs. When you look at the secondary in particular on this team, you see a severe lack of playmakers (outside of a healthy Sherman). That was my concern when the team started the season with Tartt and Colbert back there at the safety positions...Tartt sometimes makes the good tackle near the LOS but doesn't make many plays in the passing game (how he one-handed that INT vs. Cam last year is beyond me). Colbert showed flashes last year in breaking up some passes but he also doesn't pick off passes and he misses too many tackles - something he must clean up when he returns.
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Players.
lmao, so embarrassing.

Its always on the players but the coaches have a part to do with it also. Perhaps they are not preaching ball security enough in practice, also playing calling should probably be more conservative when you know your QB is a retard. I've seen games where shanny passes the ball about 50 times with beathard, you just cannot do that.
Players.

Zero playmakers on defense.

On offense, Beathard is a turnover machine. Mostert is a backup. Breida is just a small scatback. Of course they're going to cough it up. We look like little kids out there compared to real NFL specimens.
Suh just b***hed Richburg
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Originally posted by susweel:
Its always on the players but the coaches have a part to do with it also. Perhaps they are not preaching ball security enough in practice, also playing calling should probably be more conservative when you know your QB is a retard. I've seen games where shanny passes the ball about 50 times with beathard, you just cannot do that.

It was one game, and we had almost 100 hundred offensive snaps which is an absurd amount, usually it is 50-60 offensive snaps. This was also when Brieda injured his ankle and Morris/Mostert were averaging like 3 yards a carry.
Players. Coaching can only influence so much especially with the restrictions of coaches being with their players. Kyle didn't coach up Beathard to always get stripped sacked, these players are grown men and should be able to work on their flaws.
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Originally posted by gold49digger:
Players. Coaching can only influence so much especially with the restrictions of coaches being with their players. Kyle didn't coach up Beathard to always get stripped sacked, these players are grown men and should be able to work on their flaws.
Players need to be held accountable for the actual turnover but coaches need to correct the behavior. Neither of these things are happening on the 49ers.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that leans more towards the players. Mostert took responsibility for his mistake against ARI that arguably cost us that game and he had responded by showing clear focus on protecting the ball. Beathard responded at Green Bay, but it's like he completely forgot everything he learned the week prior AND forgot who he was playing against at the same time. He struggles to have a multi-task mindset, seemingly only able to focus on one thing at a time and only what he can see. He struggles with anything he can't see or anything in his peripherals for whatever reason. The interceptions were both just bad throws that were not worth the risk. This early on, he needs to learn to manage risk far far better.

My take is turnovers are 50% player-based, 25% coaching, and 25% luck.

Players need to hold it like they can and will get hit at any time -- running, scrambling, catching and turning upfield -- EXPECT CONTACT ON THE BALL EVERY PLAY, EVERY TIME. You then can at least avoid plays like the Juice fumble and some of Beathard's fumbles.

Coaches need to practice situational football exactly like that. Test your players by making sure they get contact on the ball on every play, every drill, and reiterate on game day.

Sometimes, the ball just doesn't bounce your way. When every other team seems to have their drops fall harmlessly to the ground, our drops always flip upward in the most dangerous ways directly into the arms of a defender. Celek, Garcon, and Kittle all have had it happen to them. A ball that hit Bourne in the chest the other week almost did the same. It was as if he was leaning back at the perfect angle for it to bounce up, ricochet off his helmet and divert precisely into the direction of the nearest opposing player. Luck we can't control, but the other 75% of the equation we can, and EVERYONE -- coaches and players -- must put in overtime to make absolutely sure this stops happening.
Sad.
But that's what horrible teams do.
1-6 speaks for itself. 😕
Bad coaching, bad players, everybody needs to get fired up in here.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Players. Coaching can only influence so much especially with the restrictions of coaches being with their players. Kyle didn't coach up Beathard to always get stripped sacked, these players are grown men and should be able to work on their flaws.
Players need to be held accountable for the actual turnover but coaches need to correct the behavior. Neither of these things are happening on the 49ers.

This.

Start benching dudes that can't protect the ball. Bet they stop turning it over.
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It's on the fact that players on the other team are making the plays that are there. If we did the same we'd have a better record.
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