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2019 Defensive Progress & Robert Saleh Hot-seat Tracker

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by kujon11:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by E-49er:
Sherman said the other DBs are not playing their assignments how they should be. So I think you have to put some of that on Jeff Hafley the DB coach. The players also should take responsibility of course.So why are they confused about their assignments? ALL of the DBs were here last year and there wasn't breakdowns like this in the secondary.

FTFY

Legit point...

i wonder if Fred Warner taking over the green dot has had adverse effects. or dare i even say, the absence of eric reid

Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think they felt he would get it down eventually but the team is likely suffering growing pains it didn't have last year in terms of communication because we had a veteran experienced in the system (Coyle) relaying the calls. Now it makes sense why they liked him so much. We didn't blow coverage like we are now, but the plays we gave up came more due to simple lack of physical ability compared to the opponent.

I get that without Malcolm in the first two games, winning one of them, they probably felt we didn't need to take the radio from Warner but now it's clear that was a mistake. Yes, the coach takes blame for that one. My take is that Malcolm should be the one with the radio now. No reason to keep it with Warner until he knows the defense inside and out like a veteran.

One issue : Malcom is playing in base defense only. Playing a fraction of the snaps Warner is.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Originally posted by cciowa:
did you see the game. it turned out bad.. and tell me please why we allowed the packer wide outs to work the sidelines late knowing they had no time outs left???? that is basic football and even espn people were saying.. i have no clue what the niners are doing. but of course we skip over that stuff

Because Greg Maybin sucks and has no idea what he is doing? Yep. That's Saleh's fault.

Stick to complaining about our Oline. You were on a roll.

Then I ask why is Greg out there? If Jimmy Ward is your starter and has a injury history longer than the closing docs on a property sale, then you should spend more time preparing Greg what to do if Jimmy should come out of a game. If he's not able to function at a basic level, it's the coach's job to talk to the HC and say, "hey we need to bring in some guys because Maybin can't function at all." Reminder - we did this last year.

Buuuuut that didn't happen. What happened was we stuck with Maybin and Saleh (again) just watched him fail.

Yup...finally rid ourselves on Donte Johnson. Focused on Witherspoon. Stayed with Mabin. Drafted Tarvarius Moore and D.J. Reed. Brought in Sherman. What other unit has been given more resources over the past two off seasons?

At some point, you need to teach these players and develop them.

How much are those guys contributing?
Please explain the value of Moore as a resource for Saleh.

You're uncanny at moving the goal posts on topics. The topic is to blame the talent, right? This FO clearly spent a huge portion of it's resources on the secondary whether playing today or 2019. I'll say it again..."At some point, you need to teach these players and develop them."

You cited non-contributing players as "resources" for the defense.
The offense has received much more resources. They got a above average starter on the OL and a FQB in the past year while the defense got Sherman, a ST player and a Trent Baalke ACL special.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You cited non-contributing players as "resources" for the defense.
The offense has received much more resources. They got a above average starter on the OL and a FQB in the past year while the defense got Sherman, a ST player and a Trent Baalke ACL special.

What?
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by kujon11:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by E-49er:
Sherman said the other DBs are not playing their assignments how they should be. So I think you have to put some of that on Jeff Hafley the DB coach. The players also should take responsibility of course.So why are they confused about their assignments? ALL of the DBs were here last year and there wasn't breakdowns like this in the secondary.

FTFY

Legit point...

i wonder if Fred Warner taking over the green dot has had adverse effects. or dare i even say, the absence of eric reid

Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think they felt he would get it down eventually but the team is likely suffering growing pains it didn't have last year in terms of communication because we had a veteran experienced in the system (Coyle) relaying the calls. Now it makes sense why they liked him so much. We didn't blow coverage like we are now, but the plays we gave up came more due to simple lack of physical ability compared to the opponent.

I get that without Malcolm in the first two games, winning one of them, they probably felt we didn't need to take the radio from Warner but now it's clear that was a mistake. Yes, the coach takes blame for that one. My take is that Malcolm should be the one with the radio now. No reason to keep it with Warner until he knows the defense inside and out like a veteran.

One issue : Malcom is playing in base defense only. Playing a fraction of the snaps Warner is.

Truth.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth.

Bumps and bruises... have to deal with the growing pains unless we put Malcolm at MIKE. Then do you try Fred at SAM or have him ride the pine learning and contributing on ST's.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth.

Bumps and bruises... have to deal with the growing pains unless we put Malcolm at MIKE. Then do you try Fred at SAM or have him ride the pine learning and contributing on ST's.

I mean, Brock Coyle hardly knew this defense and the communication was fine.

Saleh must be adding a large number of wrinkles other than just Cover 3.
Kyle starting to coach up the defensive players now.

"That's something we're working through with him," Shanahan said. "I do think he had his best week of practice last week, which I had a good talk with Ahkello about that before the game. It was the most encouraged we had been with him, last week through practice. I think Ahkello will be there, exactly where he was at last year. I expect him to get better from that. It hasn't happened right away, but he's going in the right direction now and I expect it to continue."
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 17, 2018 at 4:38 PM ]
Here's someone else to share the blame.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/10/17/17988112/fred-warner-49ers-defense-rookie-packers
Man, this is a tough sell in this forum. Stats are one thing, and yes, the Niners could use a few better pieces at every level of the defense. Is it all coaching or is it the players? Wish I was smart enough to tell the difference. I think it's a bit of both. Guess the front office will have to decide if they will give Saleh another year with hopefully better talent in the blatant areas of need to prove whether he's got the right stuff.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle starting to coach up the defensive players now.

"That's something we're working through with him," Shanahan said. "I do think he had his best week of practice last week, which I had a good talk with Ahkello about that before the game. It was the most encouraged we had been with him, last week through practice. I think Ahkello will be there, exactly where he was at last year. I expect him to get better from that. It hasn't happened right away, but he's going in the right direction now and I expect it to continue."

why isn't Lynch coaching the DBs like Baalke used to do?

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think they felt he would get it down eventually but the team is likely suffering growing pains it didn't have last year in terms of communication because we had a veteran experienced in the system (Coyle) relaying the calls. Now it makes sense why they liked him so much. We didn't blow coverage like we are now, but the plays we gave up came more due to simple lack of physical ability compared to the opponent.

I get that without Malcolm in the first two games, winning one of them, they probably felt we didn't need to take the radio from Warner but now it's clear that was a mistake. Yes, the coach takes blame for that one. My take is that Malcolm should be the one with the radio now. No reason to keep it with Warner until he knows the defense inside and out like a veteran.


Malcolm isn't on the field enough to wear the green dot, it has to be Warner or Foster, we already know Foster hates doing it so may as well let Warner grow into in the role.
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle starting to coach up the defensive players now.

"That's something we're working through with him," Shanahan said. "I do think he had his best week of practice last week, which I had a good talk with Ahkello about that before the game. It was the most encouraged we had been with him, last week through practice. I think Ahkello will be there, exactly where he was at last year. I expect him to get better from that. It hasn't happened right away, but he's going in the right direction now and I expect it to continue."

why isn't Lynch coaching the DBs like Baalke used to do?

That's what I'm saying!!!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You cited non-contributing players as "resources" for the defense.
The offense has received much more resources. They got a above average starter on the OL and a FQB in the past year while the defense got Sherman, a ST player and a Trent Baalke ACL special.

What?

Jimmy G is more resources than Moore, Sherman and Reed combined. The OL also got a high quality starting tackle in the draft. Tell me you are not measuring resources in "bodies".
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth.

Bumps and bruises... have to deal with the growing pains unless we put Malcolm at MIKE. Then do you try Fred at SAM or have him ride the pine learning and contributing on ST's.

I mean, Brock Coyle hardly knew this defense and the communication was fine.

Saleh must be adding a large number of wrinkles other than just Cover 3.

Played more man and have thrown in different blitz packages this year since we are pass rush deficient.

Thl and Jonnydel would better be able to answer the concern with more wrinkles being added in given the amount of tape they have combed through.
Originally posted by Sourball:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Why does this idiot get and deserve 3 threads
Poor guy has no hair. Give him something.

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