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  • Buchy
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Originally posted by theduke85:
Okay, so let's think about this for a second:

The talent is spread thinner. There's more balance. "More balance" means "more teams actually have a shot at winning".

Now let's contrast this to the 80's. The 80's had Super Teams. Did non-Super Teams stand a chance versus Super Teams? No, of course not. Now instead of having lots of teams having a shot at winning, only a handful of teams have a legitimate shot of winning.

The problem with your argument is that the 49ers were one of the Super Teams. You're making it sound like they were at a disadvantage. No, they weren't. The 49ers were one of the fortunate teams with an advantage. The other Super Teams were their equals. The 49ers talent dwarfed over tons of lesser teams. T

The NFC won 15 out of 16 Super Bowls from the 80's through the 90's. Nothing about that screams "balance" or "harder to win". Personally, I think the fact that the AFC only managed to win 1 out of 16 Super Bowls kind of puts an asterisk on Montana's impeccable Super Bowl accolades.

I do agree that you have to take totals passing numbers with a grain of salt. A 100 rating today is much easier than a 100 rating back then. But championships are championships. Those don't need to be adjusted for era. Everyone from a given era is playing by the same rules. Montana faced tougher defenses, but so did his opposing quarterbacks.

Wow wasn't expecting this when I posted the video.

There's a logical fallacy in your argument. Those super teams were all in the NFC and to make it to the Superbowl you had to run the gauntlet in the play-offs and beat those super teams which Joe and the Niners did, it wasn't a roll of the dice or an average team having a good day and knocking out a good team that's having a bad day. To make it to the Superbowl from the NFC you had to be consistently excellent.

The 49ers had to overcome other super teams, the Bears Defense and Walter Payton, the Giants with LT, the Dallas Cowboys, the Redskins. You make it sound like the Niners were a super team that never encountered another super team and that's your fallacy. Yes, the average franchises were never going to make it to the play-offs in the NFC (the AFC was full of average franchises) but the teams that won the Super Bowl in that era had to make it past 2 or 3 other Super teams to get there - the NFC championship was the real Superbowl.

But then you neglect that the AFC teams had a lot of the super hyped QB's and in that time, Montana was not considered the greatest by many analysts because he didn't have the arm strength of Marino or Elway or Boomer. Hell, even Kelly had a lot of buzz.

The parity of today means its rare to see stacked teams and that also means that luck, good days and bad days can tilt the result and end in a better team going out in the play-offs for one bad performance because that margin between the two is less. That's not true of the era before the salary cap.

So don't for a second think that because there were 4 or 5 super teams that it cheapens what the Niners did - the team in those days had to beat those other super teams to get there.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Cheater rings.
Originally posted by T-9ers:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Cheater rings.

Are you familiar with our own history? 49er fans should definitely not be throwing out the "cheaters" thing.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Are you familiar with our own history? 49er fans should definitely not be throwing out the "cheaters" thing.

we loved to leg whip.lol
Originally posted by genus49:
Are you familiar with our own history? 49er fans should definitely not be throwing out the "cheaters" thing.

When did #16 purposely cheat like Brady and deflategate?
Signature moment... "the tuck" or "The Catch"

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you familiar with our own history? 49er fans should definitely not be throwing out the "cheaters" thing.

Not even close to the same thing. You do realize videotaping a teams practice before the Super Bowl wins you a Super Bowl no matter what. Especially when you only won by a field goal that cheating was worth at least 10 to 20 points. Unbelievable what they did
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by genus49:
Are you familiar with our own history? 49er fans should definitely not be throwing out the "cheaters" thing.

Not even close to the same thing. You do realize videotaping a teams practice before the Super Bowl wins you a Super Bowl no matter what. Especially when you only won by a field goal that cheating was worth at least 10 to 20 points. Unbelievable what they did

....terrific take considering they never did that. You may want to do some research before you accuse teams of cheating.

The amount of people calling the Pats cheaters without knowing the details of what they actually did is ridiculous.
Originally posted by T-9ers:
Originally posted by genus49:
Are you familiar with our own history? 49er fans should definitely not be throwing out the "cheaters" thing.

When did #16 purposely cheat like Brady and deflategate?

Google it.

And what proof was there of Brady cheating? Just a lot of BS from the NFL to sway public opinion including false stories later retracted with no real error acknowledged.

Every single text they had from Brady was him asking for the balls to be at the low end of the LEGAL limit. Not to mention ever since they were "busted" they went to 4 SBs in 5 years and won 3 of them...

Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by genus49:
Are you familiar with our own history? 49er fans should definitely not be throwing out the "cheaters" thing.

Not even close to the same thing. You do realize videotaping a teams practice before the Super Bowl wins you a Super Bowl no matter what. Especially when you only won by a field goal that cheating was worth at least 10 to 20 points. Unbelievable what they did

....terrific take considering they never did that. You may want to do some research before you accuse teams of cheating.

The amount of people calling the Pats cheaters without knowing the details of what they actually did is ridiculous.

Got it!!! So they got in that much trouble for not doing anything bad huh??? Same difference. Sorry Us ignorant people didn't do the proper research but You get the main point which seems to have passed you by perhaps. They did in facts cheat and they were punished for it and they got some Super Bowl rings for it. That's the facts.
[ Edited by elguapo on Mar 8, 2019 at 10:28 PM ]
Always remember and never forget...

Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by genus49:
Are you familiar with our own history? 49er fans should definitely not be throwing out the "cheaters" thing.

Not even close to the same thing. You do realize videotaping a teams practice before the Super Bowl wins you a Super Bowl no matter what. Especially when you only won by a field goal that cheating was worth at least 10 to 20 points. Unbelievable what they did

....terrific take considering they never did that. You may want to do some research before you accuse teams of cheating.

The amount of people calling the Pats cheaters without knowing the details of what they actually did is ridiculous.

Got it!!! So they got in that much trouble for not doing anything bad huh??? Same difference. Sorry Us ignorant people didn't do the proper research but You get main point. They did in facts cheat and they were punished for it and they got some Super Bowl rings for it. That's the facts.

Interesting facts you got there...

Got anything to back them up?

Did we win our SBs beacuse we were greasing up our jerseys, Walsh cutting off headsets for the other team, Rice using stickum? That's not even bringing up our salary cap violations since we technically didn't win any after the cap became a thing outside of 94.

Here are the facts if you even care(my guess is no)

Tuck Rule - nothing to do with cheating.

Spy Gate - they were taping defensive signals to analyze later. This is something most teams were doing and many former coaches admitted as such. What happened after they were caught? Their offense improved. Think about that one for a second...their offense got better after they were caught taping defensive signals.

Deflate Gate - the biggest witch hunt and do about nothing in sports history. The NFL didn't test the balls before the game started, decided to measure them at halftime of a cold/wet game played outside where only 1 ball happened to be well under the legal limit. All of the other balls were either at the limit or just a little bit under. What happened after they were caught? They scored 28 points with the "legal" balls vs 17 with the "cheating balls". Oh and they went on to win 3 SBs in the next 5 years while making the SB in all but one of those seasons.
genus49 in here setting dudes straight right now
Originally posted by LenCat:
Always remember and never forget...


Watching some of those hits Joe took in his career, Jim Burt comes to mind, definitely shortened his career.
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