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Originally posted by BangBang49er:
"probably top 10-15 all time"

It was a great defense. Won them the Super Bowl.

Yah no. 9ers have 4 SB defenses that were better themselves
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Holy s**t. For those who want to watch the "explosive Kyle Shanahan offense," watch the Miami (Ravens) game from week 2. Good Lord.

no. Stop. Kyle Hamilton let Hill get even with him before he turned and burned. Then they had a complete defensive break down and left Hill wide open. That's not an explosion on offense that's a defensive collapse.

Only 18 carries. Mostert had 11 of them. Now go watch just the offense and the passing game. Not the Ravens D.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy had 33 dropbacks under pressure in the playoffs. Which was 41.3% of all of his drop backs in the playoffs. He went 12 of 27 for 112, 0 td's, 3 int's, 0 BTT's, 4 TWP's, 6.0 ADOT, 2 drops, 3 BAT's, 4 sacks, 2 scrambles, 3.40 TTT, 8 first downs, and a 16.8 passer rating.

That's the one to question.

Lets not cherry pick what fits the individuals narrative. If you have another source that conflicts with Jimmy's TTT under pressure in the playoffs, I am all for it.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
We almost had "that guy" in Kirk Cousins. LOL

Jimmy may have thrived in a spread offense in college but I find it hard to believe he would find extensive success if he ran one in the NFL. Again, he would be limited because of his ability to push the ball down field when neccessary. Same thing with Alex Smith. He ran alot of spread in KC with Andy Reid but when teams forced him to go vertical at a high rate, they would lose. That was the main reason why they drafted Pat Mahomes. I honestly believe that Jimmy is in an offense that best fits his skillset. But when the rushing attack isn't on its game, Jimmy has shown to be less affective and his record reflects that. Now, should Kyle go spread more often when the run game isn't working? That is a real question to ponder.

You guys with your "JiMMy cAn'T pUsH tEh bAlL dOWnTHe FIeLd" nonsense is ridiculous, and false.

Did you not see the deep out to Aiyuk that should've been caught.

They must not have seen his presser today

What did he say today?

Edit. More evidence.
JG Translation: Free Jimmy, Kyle.

Garoppolo threw for 154 yards and one touchdown against the Seahawks and came out throwing the ball with frequency despite being away from the team for months. Could the remainder of the season bring more of the same? He certainly seems to hope so. Garoppolo mentioned after the game that the aggressive approach reminded him of his first months with the 49ers in 2017 when he was firing the ball all over the field while learning head coach Kyle Shanahan's offense on the fly, something he talked about once again during his media session on Thursday.

"I love that," Garoppolo said. "Yeah. It's just there's a lot of things that go with that obviously. But yeah, I love doing that stuff. In '17, there was a freedom where me, the receivers, the tight ends, we had a good chemistry going. When you get that with offensive skills in a quarterback, it makes for a tough offense."

Could there be more of that to come? Perhaps we'll start to find out Sunday night.

"I think we'll see that as we go forward. I don't know," Garoppolo said. "The more freedom you have as a quarterback, obviously, you play better, you're more confident, and good things will happen."

Kyle's retort to Jimmy's comments about being more free to make plays. From Bonilla on the HP.

Kyle Shanahan joined KNBR on Friday morning and had an opportunity to respond to the comments. Would the head coach be more willing to "wing it" more with Garoppolo than he did in 2019 and 2021?

"Yeah, I'm not even sure what that question or those statements mean, but we're always the same," Shanahan responded on the Murph & Mac show. "We try to do what we think gives us the best chance to succeed. That has to do with our skill set and what we're going against. There's no such thing as, 'Hey, I feel like winging it this year. I feel like going deep this year. I feel like going short this year. I feel like running the ball this year.' It doesn't work that way.

"It works with, what's your personnel? What are you going against? And what do you think gives you the best chance to win on Sunday? And that's really how we look at everything."

Shanahan was asked if there was a difference in 2017 when Garoppolo seemed to be throwing the football more.

"Yeah, we were a real bad team," he answered. "We weren't nearly as balanced. He came in and took over a 1-9 team. And I think what he meant—I don't want to make assumptions like you guys are—but if I have to, I would guess what he meant is he was going in there, and he was personally winging it a lot more. He was new to the offense.

"We were going in and just trying to—I guess we threw it more when he came in at that time. I'm not really sure. But the stats and stuff, look at how efficient we were in '19. Look at us throwing the ball. Look at us last year. I mean, we averaged more yards gained on every pass play we did. So, at the end of it, where they land and where they get tackled, we actually are getting deeper than anybody when it comes to completions. That's something you never feel bad about.

"You can air it out down the field all day, but at the end of the day, when you average less yards per pass than we do, I don't feel that's as successful. Our goal is to try to be efficient, try to be successful, and that doesn't mean throwing it short. That means doing what you think you're good at and what the defense is giving to you. And that changes quarter to quarter, week to week, year to year."

We should just pin Kyle's retort in this thread.

People saying we didn't throw deep in 2019 because of Jimmy, Kyle is basically saying, "big F'n deal, we got the same result as those throwing deep in a more efficient way and that's how I like it"

Sherm talked in his pod with K.J. how Kyle would always show the charts that if they ran the ball 30x they won 80% of the time. He's gonna freaking run that ball, look to pick up first downs run it some more and if the defense tries to cheat he'll try and take a shot but he's looking for what's most efficient more than anything.

Even in his own words, fans that prefer another QB will still spin this to the QB somehow. Even with Trey's excellent arm, Gray was basically inactive both games. Ray-Ray, barely used. The fans still think Kyle the HC is something, he's telling you with his own words, he's not. Fans want entertainment (explosives). Kyle is completely opposite of that.

He is Bo Schembechler 2.0
you guys over read the part where he said it's based off personel ?

Yeah, his OWN hand picked personnel and the defense we play and their strengths and weaknesses based on how his own can exploit them.

What does that have to do with his own philosophy?
meaning your not going to fit a jimmy peg into a mahomes hole

Running the ball is everyones philosophy

LOL. Maybe in 1949.
oh NC...it's always the extreme without rational thinking
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is what pff says. That is his average while under pressure in the playoffs. Not average from all drop backs.



What does PFF know. Only thing you can trust from them is pressure rate and Tashaun Gibson rating.

So the only thing we can trust is what each individual decides to cherry pick?

Now you're getting it

Show one clip of JG holding the ball for 3.40s then...while under pressure. Let alone 33 of them to average 3.40s. That makes zero sense.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
We almost had "that guy" in Kirk Cousins. LOL

Jimmy may have thrived in a spread offense in college but I find it hard to believe he would find extensive success if he ran one in the NFL. Again, he would be limited because of his ability to push the ball down field when neccessary. Same thing with Alex Smith. He ran alot of spread in KC with Andy Reid but when teams forced him to go vertical at a high rate, they would lose. That was the main reason why they drafted Pat Mahomes. I honestly believe that Jimmy is in an offense that best fits his skillset. But when the rushing attack isn't on its game, Jimmy has shown to be less affective and his record reflects that. Now, should Kyle go spread more often when the run game isn't working? That is a real question to ponder.

You guys with your "JiMMy cAn'T pUsH tEh bAlL dOWnTHe FIeLd" nonsense is ridiculous, and false.

Did you not see the deep out to Aiyuk that should've been caught.

They must not have seen his presser today

What did he say today?

Edit. More evidence.
JG Translation: Free Jimmy, Kyle.

Garoppolo threw for 154 yards and one touchdown against the Seahawks and came out throwing the ball with frequency despite being away from the team for months. Could the remainder of the season bring more of the same? He certainly seems to hope so. Garoppolo mentioned after the game that the aggressive approach reminded him of his first months with the 49ers in 2017 when he was firing the ball all over the field while learning head coach Kyle Shanahan's offense on the fly, something he talked about once again during his media session on Thursday.

"I love that," Garoppolo said. "Yeah. It's just there's a lot of things that go with that obviously. But yeah, I love doing that stuff. In '17, there was a freedom where me, the receivers, the tight ends, we had a good chemistry going. When you get that with offensive skills in a quarterback, it makes for a tough offense."

Could there be more of that to come? Perhaps we'll start to find out Sunday night.

"I think we'll see that as we go forward. I don't know," Garoppolo said. "The more freedom you have as a quarterback, obviously, you play better, you're more confident, and good things will happen."

Kyle's retort to Jimmy's comments about being more free to make plays. From Bonilla on the HP.

Kyle Shanahan joined KNBR on Friday morning and had an opportunity to respond to the comments. Would the head coach be more willing to "wing it" more with Garoppolo than he did in 2019 and 2021?

"Yeah, I'm not even sure what that question or those statements mean, but we're always the same," Shanahan responded on the Murph & Mac show. "We try to do what we think gives us the best chance to succeed. That has to do with our skill set and what we're going against. There's no such thing as, 'Hey, I feel like winging it this year. I feel like going deep this year. I feel like going short this year. I feel like running the ball this year.' It doesn't work that way.

"It works with, what's your personnel? What are you going against? And what do you think gives you the best chance to win on Sunday? And that's really how we look at everything."

Shanahan was asked if there was a difference in 2017 when Garoppolo seemed to be throwing the football more.

"Yeah, we were a real bad team," he answered. "We weren't nearly as balanced. He came in and took over a 1-9 team. And I think what he meant—I don't want to make assumptions like you guys are—but if I have to, I would guess what he meant is he was going in there, and he was personally winging it a lot more. He was new to the offense.

"We were going in and just trying to—I guess we threw it more when he came in at that time. I'm not really sure. But the stats and stuff, look at how efficient we were in '19. Look at us throwing the ball. Look at us last year. I mean, we averaged more yards gained on every pass play we did. So, at the end of it, where they land and where they get tackled, we actually are getting deeper than anybody when it comes to completions. That's something you never feel bad about.

"You can air it out down the field all day, but at the end of the day, when you average less yards per pass than we do, I don't feel that's as successful. Our goal is to try to be efficient, try to be successful, and that doesn't mean throwing it short. That means doing what you think you're good at and what the defense is giving to you. And that changes quarter to quarter, week to week, year to year."

We should just pin Kyle's retort in this thread.

People saying we didn't throw deep in 2019 because of Jimmy, Kyle is basically saying, "big F'n deal, we got the same result as those throwing deep in a more efficient way and that's how I like it"

Sherm talked in his pod with K.J. how Kyle would always show the charts that if they ran the ball 30x they won 80% of the time. He's gonna freaking run that ball, look to pick up first downs run it some more and if the defense tries to cheat he'll try and take a shot but he's looking for what's most efficient more than anything.

Even in his own words, fans that prefer another QB will still spin this to the QB somehow. Even with Trey's excellent arm, Gray was basically inactive both games. Ray-Ray, barely used. The fans still think Kyle the HC is something, he's telling you with his own words, he's not. Fans want entertainment (explosives). Kyle is completely opposite of that.

He is Bo Schembechler 2.0
you guys over read the part where he said it's based off personel ?

Yeah, his OWN hand picked personnel and the defense we play and their strengths and weaknesses based on how his own can exploit them.

What does that have to do with his own philosophy?
meaning your not going to fit a jimmy peg into a mahomes hole

Running the ball is everyones philosophy

LOL. Maybe in 1949.
oh NC...it's always the extreme without rational thinking

Imagine making that statement in 2022 in a clear passing league.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is what pff says. That is his average while under pressure in the playoffs. Not average from all drop backs.



What does PFF know. Only thing you can trust from them is pressure rate and Tashaun Gibson rating.

So the only thing we can trust is what each individual decides to cherry pick?

Now you're getting it

Show one clip of JG holding the ball for 3.40s then...while under pressure. Let alone 33 of them to average 3.40s. That makes zero sense.

Give us a reputable source that proves otherwise.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy had 33 dropbacks under pressure in the playoffs. Which was 41.3% of all of his drop backs in the playoffs. He went 12 of 27 for 112, 0 td's, 3 int's, 0 BTT's, 4 TWP's, 6.0 ADOT, 2 drops, 3 BAT's, 4 sacks, 2 scrambles, 3.40 TTT, 8 first downs, and a 16.8 passer rating.

That's the one to question.

Lets not cherry pick what fits the individuals narrative. If you have another source that conflicts with Jimmy's TTT under pressure in the playoffs, I am all for it.

Who's cherry picking? I simply said THAT stat doesn't add up. Not you reporting it.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Holy s**t. For those who want to watch the "explosive Kyle Shanahan offense," watch the Miami (Ravens) game from week 2. Good Lord.

no. Stop. Kyle Hamilton let Hill get even with him before he turned and burned. Then they had a complete defensive break down and left Hill wide open. That's not an explosion on offense that's a defensive collapse.

Only 18 carries. Mostert had 11 of them. Now go watch just the offense and the passing game. Not the Ravens D.

You don't want me to add context to your opinion of an explosive offense. That same explosive offense that was losing 28-7 at half time. Lol just watch the offense.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is what pff says. That is his average while under pressure in the playoffs. Not average from all drop backs.



What does PFF know. Only thing you can trust from them is pressure rate and Tashaun Gibson rating.

So the only thing we can trust is what each individual decides to cherry pick?

Now you're getting it

Show one clip of JG holding the ball for 3.40s then...while under pressure. Let alone 33 of them to average 3.40s. That makes zero sense.

Lol you are being ridiculous. And don't ever tout a pressure rate on this site ever again

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is what pff says. That is his average while under pressure in the playoffs. Not average from all drop backs.



What does PFF know. Only thing you can trust from them is pressure rate and Tashaun Gibson rating.

So the only thing we can trust is what each individual decides to cherry pick?

Now you're getting it

Show one clip of JG holding the ball for 3.40s then...while under pressure. Let alone 33 of them to average 3.40s. That makes zero sense.

Give us a reputable source that proves otherwise.

It doesn't even add up with their own stats when 3.26 was the longest TTT of any QB all year.

If this was the case, it would be easy to review the games and see this. Just one of these.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is what pff says. That is his average while under pressure in the playoffs. Not average from all drop backs.



What does PFF know. Only thing you can trust from them is pressure rate and Tashaun Gibson rating.

So the only thing we can trust is what each individual decides to cherry pick?

Now you're getting it

Show one clip of JG holding the ball for 3.40s then...while under pressure. Let alone 33 of them to average 3.40s. That makes zero sense.

Lol you are being ridiculous. And don't ever tout a pressure rate on this site ever again

So you can't. What else is new.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy had 33 dropbacks under pressure in the playoffs. Which was 41.3% of all of his drop backs in the playoffs. He went 12 of 27 for 112, 0 td's, 3 int's, 0 BTT's, 4 TWP's, 6.0 ADOT, 2 drops, 3 BAT's, 4 sacks, 2 scrambles, 3.40 TTT, 8 first downs, and a 16.8 passer rating.

That's the one to question.

Lets not cherry pick what fits the individuals narrative. If you have another source that conflicts with Jimmy's TTT under pressure in the playoffs, I am all for it.

Who's cherry picking? I simply said THAT stat doesn't add up. Not you reporting it.

You said that is the one stat to question. To me, that means that all other stats are fine in your opinion except the one that makes your argument about our pass pro in the playoffs invalid.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Sep 23, 2022 at 11:21 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
We almost had "that guy" in Kirk Cousins. LOL

Jimmy may have thrived in a spread offense in college but I find it hard to believe he would find extensive success if he ran one in the NFL. Again, he would be limited because of his ability to push the ball down field when neccessary. Same thing with Alex Smith. He ran alot of spread in KC with Andy Reid but when teams forced him to go vertical at a high rate, they would lose. That was the main reason why they drafted Pat Mahomes. I honestly believe that Jimmy is in an offense that best fits his skillset. But when the rushing attack isn't on its game, Jimmy has shown to be less affective and his record reflects that. Now, should Kyle go spread more often when the run game isn't working? That is a real question to ponder.

You guys with your "JiMMy cAn'T pUsH tEh bAlL dOWnTHe FIeLd" nonsense is ridiculous, and false.

Did you not see the deep out to Aiyuk that should've been caught.

They must not have seen his presser today

What did he say today?

Edit. More evidence.
JG Translation: Free Jimmy, Kyle.

Garoppolo threw for 154 yards and one touchdown against the Seahawks and came out throwing the ball with frequency despite being away from the team for months. Could the remainder of the season bring more of the same? He certainly seems to hope so. Garoppolo mentioned after the game that the aggressive approach reminded him of his first months with the 49ers in 2017 when he was firing the ball all over the field while learning head coach Kyle Shanahan's offense on the fly, something he talked about once again during his media session on Thursday.

"I love that," Garoppolo said. "Yeah. It's just there's a lot of things that go with that obviously. But yeah, I love doing that stuff. In '17, there was a freedom where me, the receivers, the tight ends, we had a good chemistry going. When you get that with offensive skills in a quarterback, it makes for a tough offense."

Could there be more of that to come? Perhaps we'll start to find out Sunday night.

"I think we'll see that as we go forward. I don't know," Garoppolo said. "The more freedom you have as a quarterback, obviously, you play better, you're more confident, and good things will happen."

Kyle's retort to Jimmy's comments about being more free to make plays. From Bonilla on the HP.

Kyle Shanahan joined KNBR on Friday morning and had an opportunity to respond to the comments. Would the head coach be more willing to "wing it" more with Garoppolo than he did in 2019 and 2021?

"Yeah, I'm not even sure what that question or those statements mean, but we're always the same," Shanahan responded on the Murph & Mac show. "We try to do what we think gives us the best chance to succeed. That has to do with our skill set and what we're going against. There's no such thing as, 'Hey, I feel like winging it this year. I feel like going deep this year. I feel like going short this year. I feel like running the ball this year.' It doesn't work that way.

"It works with, what's your personnel? What are you going against? And what do you think gives you the best chance to win on Sunday? And that's really how we look at everything."

Shanahan was asked if there was a difference in 2017 when Garoppolo seemed to be throwing the football more.

"Yeah, we were a real bad team," he answered. "We weren't nearly as balanced. He came in and took over a 1-9 team. And I think what he meant—I don't want to make assumptions like you guys are—but if I have to, I would guess what he meant is he was going in there, and he was personally winging it a lot more. He was new to the offense.

"We were going in and just trying to—I guess we threw it more when he came in at that time. I'm not really sure. But the stats and stuff, look at how efficient we were in '19. Look at us throwing the ball. Look at us last year. I mean, we averaged more yards gained on every pass play we did. So, at the end of it, where they land and where they get tackled, we actually are getting deeper than anybody when it comes to completions. That's something you never feel bad about.

"You can air it out down the field all day, but at the end of the day, when you average less yards per pass than we do, I don't feel that's as successful. Our goal is to try to be efficient, try to be successful, and that doesn't mean throwing it short. That means doing what you think you're good at and what the defense is giving to you. And that changes quarter to quarter, week to week, year to year."

We should just pin Kyle's retort in this thread.

People saying we didn't throw deep in 2019 because of Jimmy, Kyle is basically saying, "big F'n deal, we got the same result as those throwing deep in a more efficient way and that's how I like it"

Sherm talked in his pod with K.J. how Kyle would always show the charts that if they ran the ball 30x they won 80% of the time. He's gonna freaking run that ball, look to pick up first downs run it some more and if the defense tries to cheat he'll try and take a shot but he's looking for what's most efficient more than anything.

Even in his own words, fans that prefer another QB will still spin this to the QB somehow. Even with Trey's excellent arm, Gray was basically inactive both games. Ray-Ray, barely used. The fans still think Kyle the HC is something, he's telling you with his own words, he's not. Fans want entertainment (explosives). Kyle is completely opposite of that.

He is Bo Schembechler 2.0
you guys over read the part where he said it's based off personel ?

Yeah, his OWN hand picked personnel and the defense we play and their strengths and weaknesses based on how his own can exploit them.

What does that have to do with his own philosophy?
meaning your not going to fit a jimmy peg into a mahomes hole

Running the ball is everyones philosophy

LOL. Maybe in 1949.
oh NC...it's always the extreme without rational thinking

Imagine making that statement in 2022 in a clear passing league.
imagine being obtuse in 2022

i willl attempt to make a NC post..here it is

name one team that only passes the ball !
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Sep 23, 2022 at 11:23 AM ]
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Holy s**t. For those who want to watch the "explosive Kyle Shanahan offense," watch the Miami (Ravens) game from week 2. Good Lord.

no. Stop. Kyle Hamilton let Hill get even with him before he turned and burned. Then they had a complete defensive break down and left Hill wide open. That's not an explosion on offense that's a defensive collapse.

Only 18 carries. Mostert had 11 of them. Now go watch just the offense and the passing game. Not the Ravens D.

You don't want me to add context to your opinion of an explosive offense. That same explosive offense that was losing 28-7 at half time. Lol just watch the offense.

You're right. 469 passing yards and 6 TD's wouldn't be considered an explosive game around these parts for fans who prefer that style of Kyle's system.
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