Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
That seems like a stretch to act like the secret sauce is having a rookie QB on his first contract.
In the last 10 years the only teams who had a QB on his rookie contract who started in the SB for them were
Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson and Joe Flacco
I'd say two of those guys are elite level QBs so you can make an equal point saying find yourself an elite QB and you'll win SBs or play the 49ers in the SB with a rookie QB :(
Brady x 3 - not a rookie
Manning - his retirement season
Eli Manning - not a rookie
Aaron Rodgers - not a rookie
Brees - not a rookie
If you can find a QB like Mahomes or Wilson while having the elite level units both of those guys had around them while they were on those rookie contracts then yeah...that's fantastic.
But that's definitely a stretch that the contract is the key factor. It's only a factor if you have your key players up for contracts. For instance last year Jimmy's contract wasn't an issue because our key guys weren't up for new deals.
And once again the reason people aren't saying sign Garoppolo to long term deal is because he's been injured on his last deal more often than he's been healthy.
You forgot about Jared Goff. Toss in Carson Wentz/Foles. Newton got his big contract the same yr they went to the SB (cap hit wasn't big). Kap is another one.
Brady was also taking home town discounts to pay other dudes for yrs.
It's not a stretch at all....finding a good young QB on a rookie contract allows you to build around him and put a great roster around them to win now...Not sure how that's really that hard to get?
Half these rookie QBs that are picked high go to HORRIBLE rosters with horrible coaching staffs. Weird that they fail a lot. 
Another reason people aren't asking for an extension is because he simply hasn't played to the overall level you want in a FQB.
Why would I forget Goff unless your goal is to lose a SB? We did that last year and you're looking to replace Jimmy.
Wentz wasn't the starting QB and Foles while cheap wasn't on his rookie deal. Are you going to say the way to win SBs is to find a cheap backup and rely on him in the playoffs?
It's a stretch man. Your ultimate point is to find a stud QB and hope your team is good enough when he's on his rookie deal because that gives you the best window to win multiple but out of all the guys who were on their rookie deals only 1 got back to the SB and none have won it more than once though of course Mahomes is likely on his way to doing it unless something breaks down but he's arguably the best QB in the game right now and has the contract extension of half a billion to show for it.
There have been multiple teams who have invested in QB early who had pretty good teams and they didn't get to the SB or won it. Flacco was the only one who wasn't an elite QB and it was in his 5th year that he went on that crazy tear in the playoffs.
You "simply" need a great QB and a good team around him. These guys can't win on their own and your team has to be pretty much perfect in all other aspects if your QB isn't better than average.
Garoppolo is better than average when healthy but he's certainly nowhere near Mahomes/Wilson levels. That's why I don't mind the idea of adding a guy who MAY be...but I am hesitant to just send Jimmy away without confirming the guy we get is the real deal.
Just thinking about some of these really good teams adding young QBs early
Denver - Paxton Lynch at one point dude was considered the top QB in that class. Denver adds him to a roster that just won the SB with the Corpse of Peyton Manning. Never sniff a SB. He's out of the league in 2 years.
Ravens - Lamar Jackson - this one is still pending and he looked unreal last season but they're falling off big time this year.
Houston - traded up for Deshaun Watson - made the playoffs but fell apart, granted due to some trash GMing
KC - obviously THE decision but once again we're talking about guy considered the best QB in the game so unless your point is "find the best QB in the game in the draft" then why even bring it up?
Can't find too many other examples outside of going back to Aaron Rodgers to the Packers and he didn't win the SB until he was on his 2nd contract with them.
So in summation obviously adding a great QB talent to your team, especially with talent already on the roster is likely to get you great results. But it's not always work out that way as the Paxton Lynch example clearly shows.
Lynch had all the things people are looking to replace Jimmy with - size, athletic ability, big arm, can make all the throws, mobile, great deep ball, throws well on the run.
How'd that work out for Denver?
