Originally posted by JaggedJ:
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
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Meanwhile, Kyle is 5-23 in games Jimmy G doesn't start.
Better replace Jimmy.
So you're saying we should fire Kyle?
Not if he can get back to winning which I think he can as he had shown he can with Jimmy.
Why get rid of either?
So your saying we should keep Jimmy and Kyle and we will be a better team next year because of it?
in a perfect CAP world we might be.. but it's not so we need to make moves
Y'all need to stop worrying about the cap. I know that sounds head-in-the-sand, but there's no way the NFL is going to let the cap situation be as dismal as it's looking next year. These are ultra-rich owners. I'm pretty sure they're going to be willing to up the cap under an exception this off-season. Otherwise, any team in contention this year is screwed next year, not just us. They haven't released anything about it because this is the first year in a long time that teams actually have a LOT of leverage with pending FA's. Mark my words, there will be a cap adjustment right before FA this year and every will know what it is by February 15th.
Consider these teams and their cap situation:
Seattle - 2021, 19.23 mil cap space, 34 players signed(19 free agents) and no 1st round pick.
LA Rams - 2021, -20 mil in cap space(yes, that is correct, negative 20 million in cap space) 7 Free agents and no 1st round pick
Arizona - 26 mil cap space, 33 players signed for next year, 18 free agents(they currently only have 51 players signed)
TB - 30 mil cap space, 33 players signed, 18 free agents(including big ones like Lavonte David, Shaquille Barrett, Antonio Brown, Steve McLendon, Leonard Fournette, Chris Godwin)
PHI, -63 mil cap space(yes...negative 63 million) 45 players signed
Balt - 29 mil cap space, 40 players signed but Jackson will be due for an extension next season
TENN - 8.8 mil cap space, 36 players signed
HOU, -10 mil(yes, negative 10 mil) 41 players signed
KC, -13.9 mil(yep, negative 13.9) 36 players signed
Las Vegas Raiders, -6.2 mil(yes, negative 6.2), 39 players signed
LA Chargers - 31 mil cap space, 36 players signed, notable FA's - Melvin Ingram, Hunter Henry, Mike Pouncey
CHI - 655k, 35 players signed
PITT, -19 mil(yes, negative 19 mil) 34 players signed
MINN, -8 mil(yes, negative 8 mil) 46 players signed
GB, -17.2 mil(again, yes, negative 17.2 mil) 40 players signed
NO, -93 mil(Yes, as hard as it is to believe, negative 93 million) 44 players signed.
We are currently 15th in cap space next year and only 7 teams have more than 31 million in cap space for next year if nothing is done.
There are 3 teams with less than 10 mil in cap space and TEN teams with negative cap space. There's no way the NFL or NFLPA is going to let that happen with hundreds of free agents next year.
KC has 8 starters as FA's, IIRC. You think KC is going to ask Mahomes for a pay-cut? Also, those 8 starters don't have backups signed for next year either. They're in the same FA situation we are next year with 42 million less in cap space.
Anyone still not think the NFL isn't going to make cap adjustments?
Jon.. the NFLPA already negotiated with the NFL and agreed there will be a floor. The only way the floor is not met, is through higher revenue than expected. but TV ratings are low and that was the bell cow of revenue this year
The NFL and NFLPA reached an agreement late last week where the 2021 salary cap will have a floor of $175 million. The revenue loss will be spread out the next three years. If revenues are better than expected, the 2021 salary cap could be higher. This year's salary cap will remain at $198.2 million.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-consequences-of-a-lower-2021-salary-cap-including-the-three-teams-wholl-be-hurt-most/
Negotiating a floor is just a good faith maneuver. You can't tell me that they're gonna let 20+ teams have almost no cap space with hundreds of free agents and teams having to create at least a hundred more with cuts.
Everyone is gonna have to give something for this to work. Theres no way you're gonna have the Saints end up being over 100 mil in the hole or the Chiefs having to gut their team. It's not happening.
I see the players union agreeing to a 5% player salary reduction, top 44 players counting against the cap as opposed to 51 and a 7 or 8 mil add-on by the league. Are you telling me the owners and players can't afford that to alleviate the revenue dip?
Doing the above to the existing cap would create 12-13 mil in space for most teams.
Even with that the Saints are screwed. They've been pushing money down the road for years now and everyone's been waiting for them to get caught out.
Some of the teams with "less" cap than us have a lot of wiggle room. The Chiefs for example can free up 19-20mil by converting Mahomes roster bonus into a signing bonus if they have to. Steelers are similar with Big Ben.
Some teams are screwed regardless. Others are a little misleading, but we're pretty much how it looks. Not flushed with cash and not in cap hell either.
Our issue is that we don't have a lot of room to free up space with existing contracts. It makes Jimmy's contract stand out even more as he hasn't shown he's the type of QB who you restructure without thinking because he's irreplaceable.
It's a perfect storm of cap, health, play, and contract that has Jimmy under such an intense spotlight.
It's going to be a tricky off season to navigate no matter what the cap is set at.
The saints are screwed either way, that's not the biggest issue. Having teams convert to signing bonuses and kick the can still isn't an effective solution for the league. If owners are willing to dole out 25 mil in bonus checks to a few players this year, why wouldn't they be more apt to paying out 12 mil above the cap? That makes more sense, is cheaper and helps the entire league.
The NFLPA is going to work with the NFL to make this happen, if not you're talking about a massive market reset.
There are hundreds of pending free agents, many with big names. If the cap just stays as it is, you're going to see many, many big name/contract guys get cut to make the cap. That will flood the market with high profile players in a year where very few teams have space. You won't have bidding wars and guys will be looking at taking reduced market contracts or not being paid. That's not happening.
I really do see a 5-7% pay reduction, claused into new contracts as well that way they can keep the market values stable.
Seriously, you can't believe the NFL is ok with 10 teams going into the off-seaskn with negative cap room.
Even if the Chiefs convert Mahomes and save 19 mil, they still would only have 6 mil in space and have 8 starters entering FA with 20 spots to fill on the roster total. They wouldn't even be able to sign a rookie class with 6 mil in space. So, you're talking about having to free up ANOTHER 13-15 mil just to fill your roster out with rookies and vet minimum players.
Big Ben more flexibility? Only with an extension that would massively kick the can down the road for a HUGE cap hit. Hes a 41 mil cap hit next year in the last year of the contract. You're talking about adding 10 mil/year to a 3 year extension to save 30 this year. Hes gonna get a 35-40/year extension. How do they navigate a 35 mil increase from 2021 to 2022?
These conversion solutions aren't practical for the league. The entire league is facing this problem because both thr NFLPA and NFL never assumed a massive down year like this. So, the market is way too inflated to absorb this kind of thing.
I remember seeing Scangarella <sp>? going over the game plan with him between every series and he was very effective.