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Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
I'm still thinking they'll draft a rookie QB but will sign a bridge QB like Fitzmagic while the rookie gets ready. Somehow like the Dolphins were doing until they brain farted and benched Fitz.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:I feel like the last 100 pages are barely even talking about Jimmy at this point, it's just posters arguing about themselves...
To get back on topic, the biggest debate at this point is: Do we "give up" on 2021 or put all our eggs into the basket of "hopes and wishes" by cutting Jimmy and rolling with a rookie QB? Or, do we bank on a healthier team -- albeit much less talented -- having a shot at the playoffs but iffy chances at anything beyond that?
What can we really buy in 2021 for Jimmy's salary that will help us not lose games if we move on and start someone else next year? That's not an easy question to answer, and it's why I don't see any real reason to move on YET from Jimmy. Give him one last chance while a promising rookie adjusts to the scheme. Whether Jimmy balls out or not, we can trade him in 2022 to save a ton of money and get compensation in return. Use the picks and the cash to continue to build the roster around the young-gun and retain our best players. Boom. Championship.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I feel like the last 100 pages are barely even talking about Jimmy at this point, it's just posters arguing about themselves...
To get back on topic, the biggest debate at this point is: Do we "give up" on 2021 or put all our eggs into the basket of "hopes and wishes" by cutting Jimmy and rolling with a rookie QB? Or, do we bank on a healthier team -- albeit much less talented -- having a shot at the playoffs but iffy chances at anything beyond that?
What can we really buy in 2021 for Jimmy's salary that will help us not lose games if we move on and start someone else next year? That's not an easy question to answer, and it's why I don't see any real reason to move on YET from Jimmy. Give him one last chance while a promising rookie adjusts to the scheme. Whether Jimmy balls out or not, we can trade him in 2022 to save a ton of money and get compensation in return. Use the picks and the cash to continue to build the roster around the young-gun and retain our best players. Boom. Championship.
I know the cap is dropping and that's beyond their control, but I can't believe the financial situation they've gotten themselves into. Pretty disappointing
Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
It's the effect of Free Agency. Players who are not that good get overpaid by teams who have money. The best signings are those like Juice and K'waun Williams, under the radar signings who didn't command big money. No team does more team friendly deals than SF, and most contracts are easy to move on.
From now on they won't be on that situation, because the money will go to players who actually deserve it like Kittle, Warner, Bosa, Samuel, etc. Out of the market of the big FA names is a blessing.
And back to the Jimmy G topic. There's a reason why he doesn't have more guaranteed left on his deal. The first 3 years were to prove he was that guy in a consistent basis, and so far he hasn't.
Originally posted by richterkbelmont:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by OnTheClock:I feel like the last 100 pages are barely even talking about Jimmy at this point, it's just posters arguing about themselves...
To get back on topic, the biggest debate at this point is: Do we "give up" on 2021 or put all our eggs into the basket of "hopes and wishes" by cutting Jimmy and rolling with a rookie QB? Or, do we bank on a healthier team -- albeit much less talented -- having a shot at the playoffs but iffy chances at anything beyond that?
What can we really buy in 2021 for Jimmy's salary that will help us not lose games if we move on and start someone else next year? That's not an easy question to answer, and it's why I don't see any real reason to move on YET from Jimmy. Give him one last chance while a promising rookie adjusts to the scheme. Whether Jimmy balls out or not, we can trade him in 2022 to save a ton of money and get compensation in return. Use the picks and the cash to continue to build the roster around the young-gun and retain our best players. Boom. Championship.
I know the cap is dropping and that's beyond their control, but I can't believe the financial situation they've gotten themselves into. Pretty disappointing
It's the effect of Free Agency. Players who are not that good get overpaid by teams who have money. The best signings are those like Juice and K'waun Williams, under the radar signings who didn't command big money. No team does more team friendly deals than SF, and most contracts are easy to move on.
From now on they won't be on that situation, because the money will go to players who actually deserve it like Kittle, Warner, Bosa, Samuel, etc. Out of the market of the big FA names is a blessing.
And back to the Jimmy G topic. There's a reason why he doesn't have more guaranteed left on his deal. The first 3 years were to prove he was that guy in a consistent basis, and so far he hasn't.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
thankfully, im not the only one to make that observation about your lifestyle in this thread. good to see others agree regarding the broken-record you have on Jimmy. it's all good though. also nice to not feel the need to comment about you 24/7, just on occasion.
Welp I'm not gonna stop soooo get use to it buzzy
im aware. hence #lifestyle
Oh come on!!
NY... Juss hurry N tell the dude if you're single or not so we can get back to the 49ers.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:Well, he's been on the field so far this season except for one game where Moore shined. But, he has still 6 more games to go to get hurt this season and if he sticks around 16 next and 16 more the season after.
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:You know what the dumbest thing really is paying good money to guys made out of glass and tying up much needed cap space like Garoppolo, Ford, Richburg, Ward lol.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Originally posted by NCommand:Yeah, it's becoming pretty obvious. The best option to clear cap space, if that's what they want to do, is to trade Garoppolo and get a couple of lesser expensive vets.
Yes sir.
Probably why Chris Simms put out there the idea that Garoppolo could be back in SF in 2021
— Kevin A Molina (@KevinAMolina) November 23, 2020
The amount of teams that need QBs, the amount of teams that they would have to jump & the unlikelihood that Lynch/Shanahan would be that aggressive to mortgage the future for a rookie QB https://t.co/KBTWEPQpQR
thought there was no trade clause or somethin?
Yeah he's right about it being obvious... he's just obviously wrong about what the obvious is.
The best decision is the one we can build on. It's becoming more and more likely that the rookie QBs we want will be out of our range (with fields underperforming, Lawrence Wilson and lance will go top 10)
And jimmy has a no-trade clause.
The "obvious" way forward is that we're riding with jimmy next year unless we lose every remaining game this season and end up close to a top-5 pick. Cutting jimmy for cap space may be the dumbest thing I've heard lol! How to lose a locker room 101
Obviously
Garoppolo may be here next year because he is the best QB on this roster but he is not the best at anything.
jimmy ward eventually panned out though and was productive.
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Keep him on one more year for the vet minimum while we groom a rookie with more potential
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:Keep him on one more year for the vet minimum while we groom a rookie with more potential
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:Keep him on one more year for the vet minimum while we groom a rookie with more potential
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:Keep him on one more year for the vet minimum while we groom a rookie with more potential
Sign me up
The NFC West is home to three apparently indestructible starting quarterbacks.
And Jimmy Garoppolo.
The 49ers QB who is currently on injured reserve for the second time in three seasons sticks out in a division in which his peers have never been sidelined.
Seattle's Russell Wilson hasn't missed a game in his 138-start career, the Rams' Jared Goff hasn't missed a game due to injury in his 64-start career and, while Arizona's Kyler Murray is just getting started, he's opened his career by making 26 straight starts.
The contrast with Garoppolo, who has suffered three significant injuries in his 32-start career, highlights a less-discussed aspect of the 49ers' much-discussed future decision on their QB.
That is, even if Garoppolo was a first-team All-Pro, the 49ers would need to significantly upgrade their backup spot in 2021 based on his inability to stay healthy.
General manager John Lynch and head coach Kyle Shanahan have both invoked the same primary talking point in recently defending Garoppolo amid speculation they could part with him in the offseason: The 49ers are far better when he's on the field.
And that's accurate. The 49ers are 22-8 with Garoppolo since he became the starter in 2017 and are 4-13 when he's been sidelined.
Those numbers reflect well on Garoppolo's impact. But they also reflect that the 49ers basically become a bottom feeder when he's injured.
And, if Garoppolo stays in 2021, the 49ers can't run the risk of having an injury to him torpedo another season.
In 2018, their 4-12 season was essentially over when Garoppolo suffered a torn ACL in Week 3. In 2020, his latest injury helps explain their 4-6 start: The high ankle sprain Garoppolo suffered in Week 2 has sidelined him for four games (record: 1-3) and prevented from finishing three others (record: 1-2).
In 2016, when Garoppolo was set to start the first four games for the Patriots while Tom Brady served a suspension, Garoppolo suffered a sprained throwing shoulder in Week 2.
In summary: Garoppolo hasn't made it to Week 4 in three of the four years in which he's been a season-opening starter, although he started all 19 games (including playoffs) in 2019.
Last week, Shanahan said the expectation was that Garoppolo would remain the starter in 2021, although he quickly added no decision has been made.
Still, let's assume Garoppolo returns.
If Garoppolo was an elite QB with a troubling medical file? The 49ers might add a free-agent backup with starting experience such as Indianapolis' Jacoby Brissett to upgrade over Nick Mullens.
However, there also remains a question if Garoppolo is the 49ers' long-term answer. And that makes it more likely the 49ers would draft a quarterback with an early round pick to supplant Mullens, provide competition for Garoppolo and serve as his potential successor if Garoppolo falters next season.
The 49ers expected to know if they wanted to stick with Garoppolo after 2020, which they thought would be his second full season as a starter. Instead, Garoppolo has been healthy for just one game and it's not guaranteed that he will return before the end of the season.
As a result, the 49ers have confirmed what they already knew -- they are much better with Garoppolo - and they should now know something else with certainty if they keep him in 2021: They can't allow themselves to be in a position where another injury to Garoppolo cripples their season.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
thought this was a good article by Eric Branch
https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/amp/Jimmy-Garoppolo-s-injuries-big-part-of-49ers-15752249.php
The NFC West is home to three apparently indestructible starting quarterbacks.
And Jimmy Garoppolo.
The 49ers QB who is currently on injured reserve for the second time in three seasons sticks out in a division in which his peers have never been sidelined.
Seattle's Russell Wilson hasn't missed a game in his 138-start career, the Rams' Jared Goff hasn't missed a game due to injury in his 64-start career and, while Arizona's Kyler Murray is just getting started, he's opened his career by making 26 straight starts.
The contrast with Garoppolo, who has suffered three significant injuries in his 32-start career, highlights a less-discussed aspect of the 49ers' much-discussed future decision on their QB.
That is, even if Garoppolo was a first-team All-Pro, the 49ers would need to significantly upgrade their backup spot in 2021 based on his inability to stay healthy.
General manager John Lynch and head coach Kyle Shanahan have both invoked the same primary talking point in recently defending Garoppolo amid speculation they could part with him in the offseason: The 49ers are far better when he's on the field.
And that's accurate. The 49ers are 22-8 with Garoppolo since he became the starter in 2017 and are 4-13 when he's been sidelined.
Those numbers reflect well on Garoppolo's impact. But they also reflect that the 49ers basically become a bottom feeder when he's injured.
And, if Garoppolo stays in 2021, the 49ers can't run the risk of having an injury to him torpedo another season.
In 2018, their 4-12 season was essentially over when Garoppolo suffered a torn ACL in Week 3. In 2020, his latest injury helps explain their 4-6 start: The high ankle sprain Garoppolo suffered in Week 2 has sidelined him for four games (record: 1-3) and prevented from finishing three others (record: 1-2).
In 2016, when Garoppolo was set to start the first four games for the Patriots while Tom Brady served a suspension, Garoppolo suffered a sprained throwing shoulder in Week 2.
In summary: Garoppolo hasn't made it to Week 4 in three of the four years in which he's been a season-opening starter, although he started all 19 games (including playoffs) in 2019.
Last week, Shanahan said the expectation was that Garoppolo would remain the starter in 2021, although he quickly added no decision has been made.
Still, let's assume Garoppolo returns.
If Garoppolo was an elite QB with a troubling medical file? The 49ers might add a free-agent backup with starting experience such as Indianapolis' Jacoby Brissett to upgrade over Nick Mullens.
However, there also remains a question if Garoppolo is the 49ers' long-term answer. And that makes it more likely the 49ers would draft a quarterback with an early round pick to supplant Mullens, provide competition for Garoppolo and serve as his potential successor if Garoppolo falters next season.
The 49ers expected to know if they wanted to stick with Garoppolo after 2020, which they thought would be his second full season as a starter. Instead, Garoppolo has been healthy for just one game and it's not guaranteed that he will return before the end of the season.
As a result, the 49ers have confirmed what they already knew -- they are much better with Garoppolo - and they should now know something else with certainty if they keep him in 2021: They can't allow themselves to be in a position where another injury to Garoppolo cripples their season.
Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
thought this was a good article by Eric Branch
https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/amp/Jimmy-Garoppolo-s-injuries-big-part-of-49ers-15752249.php
The NFC West is home to three apparently indestructible starting quarterbacks.
And Jimmy Garoppolo.
The 49ers QB who is currently on injured reserve for the second time in three seasons sticks out in a division in which his peers have never been sidelined.
Seattle's Russell Wilson hasn't missed a game in his 138-start career, the Rams' Jared Goff hasn't missed a game due to injury in his 64-start career and, while Arizona's Kyler Murray is just getting started, he's opened his career by making 26 straight starts.
The contrast with Garoppolo, who has suffered three significant injuries in his 32-start career, highlights a less-discussed aspect of the 49ers' much-discussed future decision on their QB.
That is, even if Garoppolo was a first-team All-Pro, the 49ers would need to significantly upgrade their backup spot in 2021 based on his inability to stay healthy.
General manager John Lynch and head coach Kyle Shanahan have both invoked the same primary talking point in recently defending Garoppolo amid speculation they could part with him in the offseason: The 49ers are far better when he's on the field.
And that's accurate. The 49ers are 22-8 with Garoppolo since he became the starter in 2017 and are 4-13 when he's been sidelined.
Those numbers reflect well on Garoppolo's impact. But they also reflect that the 49ers basically become a bottom feeder when he's injured.
And, if Garoppolo stays in 2021, the 49ers can't run the risk of having an injury to him torpedo another season.
In 2018, their 4-12 season was essentially over when Garoppolo suffered a torn ACL in Week 3. In 2020, his latest injury helps explain their 4-6 start: The high ankle sprain Garoppolo suffered in Week 2 has sidelined him for four games (record: 1-3) and prevented from finishing three others (record: 1-2).
In 2016, when Garoppolo was set to start the first four games for the Patriots while Tom Brady served a suspension, Garoppolo suffered a sprained throwing shoulder in Week 2.
In summary: Garoppolo hasn't made it to Week 4 in three of the four years in which he's been a season-opening starter, although he started all 19 games (including playoffs) in 2019.
Last week, Shanahan said the expectation was that Garoppolo would remain the starter in 2021, although he quickly added no decision has been made.
Still, let's assume Garoppolo returns.
If Garoppolo was an elite QB with a troubling medical file? The 49ers might add a free-agent backup with starting experience such as Indianapolis' Jacoby Brissett to upgrade over Nick Mullens.
However, there also remains a question if Garoppolo is the 49ers' long-term answer. And that makes it more likely the 49ers would draft a quarterback with an early round pick to supplant Mullens, provide competition for Garoppolo and serve as his potential successor if Garoppolo falters next season.
The 49ers expected to know if they wanted to stick with Garoppolo after 2020, which they thought would be his second full season as a starter. Instead, Garoppolo has been healthy for just one game and it's not guaranteed that he will return before the end of the season.
As a result, the 49ers have confirmed what they already knew -- they are much better with Garoppolo - and they should now know something else with certainty if they keep him in 2021: They can't allow themselves to be in a position where another injury to Garoppolo cripples their season.
Cool, I never read SF Chronicle not going to pay to read some s**t, but glad somebody copy paste their content here. It is indeed a good article on point.
A rookie QB is a crapshoot, of course. But to pay 26M to a QB who struggles to stay healthy is an even bigger crapshoot. Thanks to Jimmy injury in 2018 we have Bosa, and we could be a good team with a good draft pick again if they keep losing with Nick Mullens. If they hit on a QB it's going to change this franchise for over a decade or more.
