Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

When he starts the segment calling him Jimmy GString you know they're idiots. What other 9-2 QBs (7-2 with their current team) do you think they'd have the guts to give a derogatory name to? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Other than Marcellus, all of them were on Jimmys nuts heading into 2018. I was too.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Here's a question I have: What's up with offense looking completely different under Jimmy this year? I noticed it vs Denver and Kansas City in the preseason, and it carried over into the first regular-season game. Where did all of the outside zone and boot action off of it go? What's up with all the shotgun and empty formations? Do you guys think Jimmy approached Kyle about being uncomfortable in his offense and wanting to get back to doing more of what he did in college/New England?

One thing we can rule out is that it's not some kind of offensive philosophy change by Kyle because when Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard were in the offense went back to being the quintessential Shanny OZ/PA offense.

I didn't really see any changes between the offense operated by Nick/BeatHard and Jimmy. Having said that, it makes sense for Kyle to start off with plays Jimmy is familiar with from New England. Those will be more instictive for him vs plays that were installed during pre-season and he's still going to have that split second hesitation before he hits is recievers.

I think THL or JD did a great couple of GIF's on Jimmys off target throws to his recievers in the Bucs game (in the Buc Football analysis thread), and clearly he was either throwing just a tad late, or just a tad off in terms of accuracy -- I think that may be a result of him still thinking out there and those off target passes will be reduced as he gets more reps with his recievers and with Kyle, and his play calling.

I remember Mullens said after Mullens was pretty near the end of last season and Mullens commented that all he needeed to hear was the first couple of words of Kyles playcall and he'd be able to guess Kyle's play. I dont' even think Jimmy is anywhere near that level yet with Kyle.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
When he starts the segment calling him Jimmy GString you know they're idiots. What other 9-2 QBs (7-2 with their current team) do you think they'd have the guts to give a derogatory name to? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Other than Marcellus, all of them were on Jimmys nuts heading into 2018. I was too.

What did it smell like?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
When he starts the segment calling him Jimmy GString you know they're idiots. What other 9-2 QBs (7-2 with their current team) do you think they'd have the guts to give a derogatory name to? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Other than Marcellus, all of them were on Jimmys nuts heading into 2018. I was too.

So now, after 1 measly game after a massive injury, you're ready to dump him? Are you aware of any other really good QBs in the league who have suffered massive injuries who are currently playing at a very high level? I am. Patience.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I didn't really see any changes between the offense operated by Nick/BeatHard and Jimmy.

You need to rewatch it and pay attention because the difference is quite noticeable. In fact, I know thl at least(not sure about jd) also pointed out during the preseason that Jimmy was operating heavily out of the gun with very little play-action. I'm looking through the film thread, and I keep seeing guns throws and empty formations. thl also charted the runs and they only ran outside zone 8 times. That's not like Kyle Shanahan.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

When he starts the segment calling him Jimmy GString you know they're idiots. What other 9-2 QBs (7-2 with their current team) do you think they'd have the guts to give a derogatory name to? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Other than Marcellus, all of them were on Jimmys nuts heading into 2018. I was too.

What did it smell like?

Lol not too bad back then

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I didn't really see any changes between the offense operated by Nick/BeatHard and Jimmy.

You need to rewatch it and pay attention because the difference is quite noticeable. In fact, I know thl at least(not sure about jd) also pointed out during the preseason that Jimmy was operating heavily out of the gun with very little play-action. I'm looking through the film thread, and I keep seeing guns throws and empty formations. thl also charted the runs and they only ran outside zone 8 times. That's not like Kyle Shanahan.

I've got to keep an eye on that. I'm curious if that was strictly a Tampa Bay/Todd Bowles adjustment. I can't believe a Shanahan would get away from his precious outside zone and 21 formation.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
I've got to keep an eye on that. I'm curious if that was strictly a Tampa Bay/Todd Bowles adjustment. I can't believe a Shanahan would get away from his precious outside zone and 21 formation.

It really threw me off. The Todd Bowles matchup certainly could play a factor, but that still doesn't explain why we saw very little of it in the preseason with Jimmy as well.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Giedi:

I didn't really see any changes between the offense operated by Nick/BeatHard and Jimmy.

You need to rewatch it and pay attention because the difference is quite noticeable. In fact, I know thl at least(not sure about jd) also pointed out during the preseason that Jimmy was operating heavily out of the gun with very little play-action. I'm looking through the film thread, and I keep seeing guns throws and empty formations. thl also charted the runs and they only ran outside zone 8 times. That's not like Kyle Shanahan.

I've got to keep an eye on that. I'm curious if that was strictly a Tampa Bay/Todd Bowles adjustment. I can't believe a Shanahan would get away from his precious outside zone and 21 formation.

It could be a Todd Bowles specific game plan, the guy blizes even more than Blitz-burg used to do. Also, empty backfield actually is an advantage against a blitzing team because of the holes a blitz leaves in pass coverage, and Jimmy is great at exploiting blitzes. I remember NY85 posting stats about Jimmy's passing rating going up when he gets blitzed.

Finally, you want to throw more against a blitzing team because if you call a run - and guess wrong and run right into the blitz (which they did a couple of times) it's a couple of yards lost and a down lost.

I think the 21 personnel comes back when Kyle is facing a solid 3-4/4-3 conservative defense that have the talent to pressure the passer without blitzing. In that case, Kyle's outside zone will be more effective against the basic fronts a good, disciplined, and talented team presents to an offense.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
When he starts the segment calling him Jimmy GString you know they're idiots. What other 9-2 QBs (7-2 with their current team) do you think they'd have the guts to give a derogatory name to? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Other than Marcellus, all of them were on Jimmys nuts heading into 2018. I was too.

What did it smell like?

Lol not too bad back then

This fan base.....

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
When he starts the segment calling him Jimmy GString you know they're idiots. What other 9-2 QBs (7-2 with their current team) do you think they'd have the guts to give a derogatory name to? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Other than Marcellus, all of them were on Jimmys nuts heading into 2018. I was too.

What did it smell like?

Lol not too bad back then

Now they smell like plus-sized Pornstars.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I didn't really see any changes between the offense operated by Nick/BeatHard and Jimmy.

You need to rewatch it and pay attention because the difference is quite noticeable. In fact, I know thl at least(not sure about jd) also pointed out during the preseason that Jimmy was operating heavily out of the gun with very little play-action. I'm looking through the film thread, and I keep seeing guns throws and empty formations. thl also charted the runs and they only ran outside zone 8 times. That's not like Kyle Shanahan.

I've got to keep an eye on that. I'm curious if that was strictly a Tampa Bay/Todd Bowles adjustment. I can't believe a Shanahan would get away from his precious outside zone and 21 formation.

It could be a Todd Bowles specific game plan, the guy blizes even more than Blitz-burg used to do. Also, empty backfield actually is an advantage against a blitzing team because of the holes a blitz leaves in pass coverage, and Jimmy is great at exploiting blitzes. I remember NY85 posting stats about Jimmy's passing rating going up when he gets blitzed.

Finally, you want to throw more against a blitzing team because if you call a run - and guess wrong and run right into the blitz (which they did a couple of times) it's a couple of yards lost and a down lost.

I think the 21 personnel comes back when Kyle is facing a solid 3-4/4-3 conservative defense that have the talent to pressure the passer without blitzing. In that case, Kyle's outside zone will be more effective against the basic fronts a good, disciplined, and talented team presents to an offense.

Or maybe Shanny is not wanting to push Jimmy G's knee with to many drop backs and roll outs? I did feel like I was seeing a lot more shotgun that normal, but I just assumed it was because of our leaky OL and blitz happy TB defense.

fake news

Originally posted by Heroism:

LOL I did a Twitter search and look who also made the same observation

Jimmy Garoppolo attempted only three bootleg roll-out passes and lined up in the shotgun 70.4 percent of the time Week 1. Extremely uncharacteristic play-calling from Kyle Shanahan.

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) September 13, 2019

Maybe it's as simple as, he came off an ACL. Less dropbacks and play action less stress on the knee. Kyle wants to slowly break in the knee