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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
The move inside seemed to help Thomas. We'll see how he plays inside with a full offseason to practice and hone his skills as an inside pass-rusher.

This is still a huge assumption. Remember, Saleh is our DC. It was his choice all along to keep ST at LEO for run defense and give him minimal snaps inside and only for obvious passing downs.

I mean, we hope he's exclusively inside every down now but...Saleh-happens...so we'll see.


Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:

49ers DL Solomon Thomas among NFL players under the most pressure according to NFL.Com
There are plenty of big names on the list, but Thomas being a high draft pick earns him a spot

By Kyle Posey on May 16, 2019 11:03 am

Photo by Stephen Brashear/Getty Images
NFL.com's Adam Schein came up with a list of nine players around the NFL that are under the most pressure for the 2019 season. The list was headlined by new Oakland Raiders wide receiver Antonio Brown, but there were plenty other notable names on the list as well. From Le' Veon Bell to Kirk Cousins. Schein insists it's time for the veterans to put up this year.

Schein snuck in a name at number nine that might be an afterthought to most fans around the league. He isn't for fans of the San Francisco 49ers, in any case. Here's what was said about Solomon Thomas:

The first pick John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan ever made -- in the third overall slot of the 2017 NFL Draft-- has been totally invisible. Thomas, who famously first bonded with Lynch when they took a class together at Stanford in the summer of 2014, seemed like a safe pick with plenty of upside. Two years into his NFL career, the defensive end has four sacks.

2019 is go time for the Niners as a team. I think they are going to surprise a lot of people and win a ton of games. On offense, Shanahan has Jimmy Garoppolo back under center and a cadre of new toys to play with (free-agent signee Tevin Coleman, as well as versatile draft picks Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd). On defense, Lynch seriously beNo. 2 overall pick Nick Bosa. Imagine if Thomas lives up to the hype. Or even resembles a legit starting NFL player.

It's is nothing new on this site. We've talked ad nauseam about how Thomas needs to put together a season that makes the 49ers forget about his first two. Thomas was reportedly on the trading block during the weekend of the NFL Draft.

The pressure is higher than it should be because of where Thomas was draft. That's not his fault. He also acknowledged some personal issues that if you've never been through it, it'd be impossible to understand what Thomas is going through. The move inside seemed to help Thomas. We'll see how he plays inside with a full offseason to practice and hone his skills as an inside pass-rusher.

Bust or not, can we stop calling him a Defensive End? He is clearly a DT that has been playing (poorly) out of position for some reason. Hopefully that will change with the additions of Ford/Bosa and he can at least be a solid run defender instead of a ghost on the edge.

Based on our roster, the talent added, Saleh as the DC as NC pointed out, and Kyle Shanahan's own words, I think Thomas will still be playing on the edge lol. Either he or AA will be starting at the big end position and then he goes inside on passing downs. Sounds kind of the same, but not completely. I do think we will get a little more production out of him. Also, if they start wise, then Nick Bosa plays the RDE position while Thomas plays left. Having the pressure come from the right side would do wonders. There may be some cleanup sacks, TFLs, and QB hits/pressures to be had for Thomas there. On passing downs, if he is inside, surrounded by Buckner, Bosa, and Ford, even if Thomas is the one taking the double team, he should do fairly well in that position. Will we get number 3 overall production? Hopefully. What will be interesting to see is who gets the lion's share of the snaps inside and outside between AA and Thomas. Also, how does Street's progress compare to the two first rounders.



Jeez, just give the guy a chance to play where he excels, not where Kyle or saleh need him. The experiment to date is an epic fail, and i wonder if zgonnia was responsible for this? If so, Kocurek please take note and play the guy where he plays best. We got Dee and we got Bosa. Put Solomon between Dee adn Buck and let 'Er rip. This business of either the HC or DC playing guys out of position has proven itself a FAIL.

What really was maddening was when kyle told saleh to put Solly inside and sumbicth if zgonnia doesn't line him up inside and then shift him to outside pre-snap. . Man that was poor. I just half wonder exactly just how much damage zagonia did to us. For sure i am glad he is zzzgone. No question he countermanded kyle's Order at least once. Was he also responsible for Tarvarius moving to CB from S? Or was that our DB coach.? Glad he is gone too.

I hope kyle or john come out before season starts and tells us, "we won't be switching anymore guys who belong at "X" to stay at "x" position. No more putting guys where they fail, instead of where the belong...and succeed.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
The move inside seemed to help Thomas. We'll see how he plays inside with a full offseason to practice and hone his skills as an inside pass-rusher.

This is still a huge assumption. Remember, Saleh is our DC. It was his choice all along to keep ST at LEO for run defense and give him minimal snaps inside and only for obvious passing downs.

I mean, we hope he's exclusively inside every down now but...Saleh-happens...so we'll see.


Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:

49ers DL Solomon Thomas among NFL players under the most pressure according to NFL.Com
There are plenty of big names on the list, but Thomas being a high draft pick earns him a spot

By Kyle Posey on May 16, 2019 11:03 am

Photo by Stephen Brashear/Getty Images
NFL.com's Adam Schein came up with a list of nine players around the NFL that are under the most pressure for the 2019 season. The list was headlined by new Oakland Raiders wide receiver Antonio Brown, but there were plenty other notable names on the list as well. From Le' Veon Bell to Kirk Cousins. Schein insists it's time for the veterans to put up this year.

Schein snuck in a name at number nine that might be an afterthought to most fans around the league. He isn't for fans of the San Francisco 49ers, in any case. Here's what was said about Solomon Thomas:

The first pick John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan ever made -- in the third overall slot of the 2017 NFL Draft-- has been totally invisible. Thomas, who famously first bonded with Lynch when they took a class together at Stanford in the summer of 2014, seemed like a safe pick with plenty of upside. Two years into his NFL career, the defensive end has four sacks.

2019 is go time for the Niners as a team. I think they are going to surprise a lot of people and win a ton of games. On offense, Shanahan has Jimmy Garoppolo back under center and a cadre of new toys to play with (free-agent signee Tevin Coleman, as well as versatile draft picks Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd). On defense, Lynch seriously beNo. 2 overall pick Nick Bosa. Imagine if Thomas lives up to the hype. Or even resembles a legit starting NFL player.

It's is nothing new on this site. We've talked ad nauseam about how Thomas needs to put together a season that makes the 49ers forget about his first two. Thomas was reportedly on the trading block during the weekend of the NFL Draft.

The pressure is higher than it should be because of where Thomas was draft. That's not his fault. He also acknowledged some personal issues that if you've never been through it, it'd be impossible to understand what Thomas is going through. The move inside seemed to help Thomas. We'll see how he plays inside with a full offseason to practice and hone his skills as an inside pass-rusher.

Bust or not, can we stop calling him a Defensive End? He is clearly a DT that has been playing (poorly) out of position for some reason. Hopefully that will change with the additions of Ford/Bosa and he can at least be a solid run defender instead of a ghost on the edge.

Based on our roster, the talent added, Saleh as the DC as NC pointed out, and Kyle Shanahan's own words, I think Thomas will still be playing on the edge lol. Either he or AA will be starting at the big end position and then he goes inside on passing downs. Sounds kind of the same, but not completely. I do think we will get a little more production out of him. Also, if they start wise, then Nick Bosa plays the RDE position while Thomas plays left. Having the pressure come from the right side would do wonders. There may be some cleanup sacks, TFLs, and QB hits/pressures to be had for Thomas there. On passing downs, if he is inside, surrounded by Buckner, Bosa, and Ford, even if Thomas is the one taking the double team, he should do fairly well in that position. Will we get number 3 overall production? Hopefully. What will be interesting to see is who gets the lion's share of the snaps inside and outside between AA and Thomas. Also, how does Street's progress compare to the two first rounders.


Jeez, just give the guy a chance to play where he excels, not where Kyle or saleh need him. The experiment to date is an epic fail, and i wonder if zgonnia was responsible for this? If so, Kocurek please take note and play the guy where he plays best. We got Dee and we got Bosa. Put Solomon between Dee adn Buck and let 'Er rip. This business of either the HC or DC playing guys out of position has proven itself a FAIL.

What really was maddening was when kyle told saleh to put Solly inside and sumbicth if zgonnia doesn't line him up inside and then shift him to outside pre-snap. . Man that was poor. I just half wonder exactly just how much damage zagonia did to us. For sure i am glad he is zzzgone. No question he countermanded kyle's Order at least once. Was he also responsible for Tarvarius moving to CB from S? Or was that our DB coach.? Glad he is gone too.

I hope kyle or john come out before season starts and tells us, "we won't be switching anymore guys who belong at "X" to stay at "x" position. No more putting guys where they fail, instead of where the belong...and succeed.

I'm all for this. I'm just going off of what came out of Kyle's mouth. I do believe they will play inside A LOT more, but on base (which won't be often), I can see Thomas still out there at big end. I don't like it, but at least the other starting end will likely be Bosa, so we will have a line that can hold up against the run (Bosa-Buckner-Jones-Thomas/AA/Street) and we have to legit pass rushers on it.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I'm all for this. I'm just going off of what came out of Kyle's mouth. I do believe they will play inside A LOT more, but on base (which won't be often), I can see Thomas still out there at big end. I don't like it, but at least the other starting end will likely be Bosa, so we will have a line that can hold up against the run (Bosa-Buckner-Jones-Thomas/AA/Street) and we have to legit pass rushers on it.

Does this mean Ford plays SAM on base or comes out?
Having Thomas being able to play BE on base downs, is what makes AA even more expendable to me. AA is making 9 million, and that money is too much for a rotational player. We can get a decent draft pick for AA, and give Thomas that much more playing time to try to excel. Thomas plays BE on base downs, and slides inside next to Buckner on the other downs.
I honestly hope when it comes down to it this talk of playing Thomas at BE in base is pre-draft bullcrap talk.

Let the kid concentrate 100% on being the best player he can be inside.
Has anyone else wondered, with Solomon playing inside, and between Dee and Buck, that he ends up with a career season...due to both guys likely to take doubles? I mean, if you have Ford on one side and Buck on the other, isn't it likely he may be positioned to have nothing but 1v 1? And we have seen already that he generally wins those, He has been doubled on the outside, with no real stud beside him, and he does ok in that situation. But singled, is it possible the guy is the man who actually gets to the passer? Given the choice of doubling Solly or Dee/Buck, pretty obvious who is getting maximum attn.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Does this mean Ford plays SAM on base or comes out?

Depends on formation. If it's 4-3 under Bosa should play Sam. In 4-3 over that's where Ford would play it.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Does this mean Ford plays SAM on base or comes out?

Depends on formation. If it's 4-3 under Bosa should play Sam. In 4-3 over that's where Ford would play it.

Both Ford and Bosa will have their hands in the dirt.
So much potential, will we see it this season?
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Has anyone else wondered, with Solomon playing inside, and between Dee and Buck, that he ends up with a career season...due to both guys likely to take doubles? I mean, if you have Ford on one side and Buck on the other, isn't it likely he may be positioned to have nothing but 1v 1? And we have seen already that he generally wins those, He has been doubled on the outside, with no real stud beside him, and he does ok in that situation. But singled, is it possible the guy is the man who actually gets to the passer? Given the choice of doubling Solly or Dee/Buck, pretty obvious who is getting maximum attn.

There was a reason he was pick as high as he was. He has had a slow start no doubt, but if the keep him inside he will shine. I'm certain of it.

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:
Both Ford and Bosa will have their hands in the dirt.

Then you are putting an inferior LB out there for plays.

I want Bosa and Ford out there as much as possible.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I want Bosa and Ford out there as much as possible.

Amen to that!

[ Edited by NCommand on May 19, 2019 at 8:22 PM ]
This defensive line has a chance to be really great. There are so many possibilities on how to line these guys up that it should really keep teams off balance.You can start Bosa, Buckner,Thomas and Ford. Then you slide in AA, D. J. Jones or even Street to back up and you have a really solid group. We should definitely see more QB pressures, sacks and tackles for loss this year.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
The move inside seemed to help Thomas. We'll see how he plays inside with a full offseason to practice and hone his skills as an inside pass-rusher.

This is still a huge assumption. Remember, Saleh is our DC. It was his choice all along to keep ST at LEO for run defense and give him minimal snaps inside and only for obvious passing downs.

I mean, we hope he's exclusively inside every down now but...Saleh-happens...so we'll see.

If this all boils down to Saleh...it will be an awful shame. Whether it be Saleh's inattention to anything with DL or DBs, or flat out lack of knowledge, after a while, you have to start looking at the big boss...and his inattention to the saleh/ Solly issue.

It's time is to stop messing with putting a round peg in a square hole, and play the man where he has the best chance to succeed. IF that happens , the team benefits maximally. Saleh didn't pay attn to zgonnia, and Z didnt pay attn to kyle. End of the day kyle is responsible. If saleh can't keep from using solly where he doesn't excel, well...maybe it's time for an upgrade at DC. Saleh is a fine LB coach. To date he did do what kyle ordered: stop the runs up the gut.

But aside from that, if he has shown signs of improvement, they have been hard to see. And the Solly thing has to stop. Just play him where he is best. If that doesn't happen then ....well, adios.

Kyle and JL did bring in Kocurek and Woods to help Saleh. But if things don't improve, then we have upgrades in place.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on May 20, 2019 at 8:21 AM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
The move inside seemed to help Thomas. We'll see how he plays inside with a full offseason to practice and hone his skills as an inside pass-rusher.

This is still a huge assumption. Remember, Saleh is our DC. It was his choice all along to keep ST at LEO for run defense and give him minimal snaps inside and only for obvious passing downs.

I mean, we hope he's exclusively inside every down now but...Saleh-happens...so we'll see.

If this all boils down to Saleh...it will be an awful shame. Whether it be Saleh's inattention to anything with DL or DBs, or flat out lack of knowledge, after a while, you have to start looking at the big boss...and his inattention to the saleh/ Solly issue.

It's time is to stop messing with putting a round peg in a square hole, and play the man where he has the best chance to succeed. IF that happens , the team benefits maximally. Saleh didn't pay attn to zgonnia, and Z didnt pay attn to kyle. End of the day kyle is responsible. If saleh can't keep from using solly where he doesn't excel, well...maybe it's time for an upgrade at DC. Saleh is a fine LB coach. To date he did do what kyle ordered: stop the runs up the gut.

But aside from that, if he has shown signs of improvement, they have been hard to see. And the Solly thing has to stop. Just play him where he is best. If that doesn't happen then ....well, adios.

Kyle and JL did bring in Kocurek and Woods to help Saleh. But if things don't improve, then we have upgrades in place.

What if Sheldon Day is better? Would you take snaps from him to give to Thomas?

Thomas was a bad pick regardless.
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