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As for playing time...yesterday, Thomas played 33 snaps. DeForest Buckner played 34.

Why is Buckner losing snaps?
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Had a good hustle sack. No doubt about it fellas. He's an DR. Cancel your hopes of him getting inside snaps. They appear to like 4/5 other guys on the interior

Cause 4 to 5 other guys are better inside.

Absolutely no evidence of this. Armstead's sack today came from the edge. D.J. Jones is a run down specialist. Nose guard type. I'm not sure Jullian Taylor even has a pressure in his career yet. I don't think Sheldon Day has gotten a pressure yet this year either.

Yeah and Solly can't beat out those guys pretty sad I know. And there more to playing inside than rushing the passer

There is no "beating out." You can't "beat someone out" in the NFL if you don't get playing time. You need a starter to go down with injury to move ahead of someone on the depth chart.

Also, Thomas is the best interior run defender on the team. The coaches just rarely use him there on run downs (because they're idiots), but that's his forte. He was an interior run stuffer in high school and college. He started as a nose guard at Stanford.

The bolded is just flat out false.

Oh, so Tony Banks beat out Kurt Warner in 1998? The Rams left Kurt Warner unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft to the Browns because he was just not able to beat out the great Tony Banks? They signed Trent Green and he needed to get injured...must have been how terrible Warner was.

And then there's Kevan Barlow. Clearly, he BEAT OUT Frank Gore in 2005. Otherwise, Gore would not have needed Barlow to go down with an injury in order to become the starting running back.

And those were back when teams ran actual scrimmages. They don't even run scrimmages now. Everything they do in practice now is literally the same drills they do at the combine. You know, the combine: The thing the 49ers' coaches, scouts, and executives watched Thomas perform in and took him number 3 overall after watching him perform said drills.

He does the same drills the same way he did at the combine, yet they immediately placed him behind incumbent starter Arik Armstead in his rookie season, and he only became a starter after Armstead went down with injury. After he missed almost all of training camp because of the graduation rule.

Are you actually serious? Please tell me you're joking.

Uh...no? I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to think that players can "beat out" other players in practice.

That is simply not how the game works.

The only way you ever move ahead on the depth chart is with injury or a starter playing so poorly that the coaches take him off the field.

Thomas was never given a chance at his actual position (defensive tackle), so he never had a chance to show what he could do.

There's a difference between saying a player never moves up a depth chart without injury to sometimes a young player will not move up without an injury to a veteran.

Of course teams like to ease in rookies and not every starter is based solely on performance.

But to say that you cannot move up on a depth chart without injury, might be the worst statement I've heard all year on this forum and shows that you clearly have never played football on any level.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
As for playing time...yesterday, Thomas played 33 snaps. DeForest Buckner played 34.

Why is Buckner losing snaps?

Cause he didn't have to play the 4th quarter. My god do you watch football.
PFF grade of 52.7 this weekend


Lowest rating amongst all Niner defenders
Last year it was clear to me that Blair makes the defense nastier when on the field than solly. You don't have to look for Blair to see if he's doing something.

This year, we're finally starting to see why Armstead kept getting brought back. Might not have the best technique but he doesn't need it, he blows through guards and gets his pressures. Even sacks now. He's been a notorious training camp super star, but now we're starting to see some solid play on the field . Hope he can finally stay healthy.

Solly was ok yesterday. Obviously not playing like a number 3 pick should. But it's good to see that we got depth and he could step up if a back up gets hurt. He should also continue to improve. He was getting better as he settled in and the game went on yesterday.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
PFF grade of 52.7 this weekend


Lowest rating amongst all Niner defenders

Right next to Bosa though
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
PFF grade of 52.7 this weekend


Lowest rating amongst all Niner defenders

And that's with a Dalton runs into a sack
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Except he wasn't. He came in late (because of the graduation rule) and was immediately a backup. It was only when Arik Armstead went down that they made him a starter...at LEO.

He was never given a chance at his actual position - defensive tackle.

Thomas lost his defensive end job with poor play. There's no doubt about that. But that's because he can't play defensive end.

Look around the league and tell me how many 270 pound defensive tackles you see. The team just doesn't have confidence with him there. Not saying he can't do it but that's the tweener problem. We drafted him to play all 4 positions and with every one you cross off due to limited skills the smaller his role gets.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Sep 16, 2019 at 10:17 AM ]
Originally posted by miked1978:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Had a good hustle sack. No doubt about it fellas. He's an DR. Cancel your hopes of him getting inside snaps. They appear to like 4/5 other guys on the interior

Cause 4 to 5 other guys are better inside.

Absolutely no evidence of this. Armstead's sack today came from the edge. D.J. Jones is a run down specialist. Nose guard type. I'm not sure Jullian Taylor even has a pressure in his career yet. I don't think Sheldon Day has gotten a pressure yet this year either.

Yeah and Solly can't beat out those guys pretty sad I know. And there more to playing inside than rushing the passer

There is no "beating out." You can't "beat someone out" in the NFL if you don't get playing time. You need a starter to go down with injury to move ahead of someone on the depth chart.

Also, Thomas is the best interior run defender on the team. The coaches just rarely use him there on run downs (because they're idiots), but that's his forte. He was an interior run stuffer in high school and college. He started as a nose guard at Stanford.

The bolded is just flat out false.

Oh, so Tony Banks beat out Kurt Warner in 1998? The Rams left Kurt Warner unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft to the Browns because he was just not able to beat out the great Tony Banks? They signed Trent Green and he needed to get injured...must have been how terrible Warner was.

And then there's Kevan Barlow. Clearly, he BEAT OUT Frank Gore in 2005. Otherwise, Gore would not have needed Barlow to go down with an injury in order to become the starting running back.

And those were back when teams ran actual scrimmages. They don't even run scrimmages now. Everything they do in practice now is literally the same drills they do at the combine. You know, the combine: The thing the 49ers' coaches, scouts, and executives watched Thomas perform in and took him number 3 overall after watching him perform said drills.

He does the same drills the same way he did at the combine, yet they immediately placed him behind incumbent starter Arik Armstead in his rookie season, and he only became a starter after Armstead went down with injury. After he missed almost all of training camp because of the graduation rule.

Are you actually serious? Please tell me you're joking.

Uh...no? I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to think that players can "beat out" other players in practice.

That is simply not how the game works.

The only way you ever move ahead on the depth chart is with injury or a starter playing so poorly that the coaches take him off the field.

Thomas was never given a chance at his actual position (defensive tackle), so he never had a chance to show what he could do.

not sure if you are trolling at this point or not. You can absolutely beat out another player in camp. Deebo beat out Pettis and Bourne. Greenlaw beat out Smith. Mullins beat out Beathard according to Kyle.

I think you are overstating the fact that most positions are already settled in the offseason. While true, its not that uncommon for a player to beat out another player.

Pettis has been dealing with injury. Bourne was a backup who only got starts after others were injured.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Had a good hustle sack. No doubt about it fellas. He's an DR. Cancel your hopes of him getting inside snaps. They appear to like 4/5 other guys on the interior

Cause 4 to 5 other guys are better inside.

Absolutely no evidence of this. Armstead's sack today came from the edge. D.J. Jones is a run down specialist. Nose guard type. I'm not sure Jullian Taylor even has a pressure in his career yet. I don't think Sheldon Day has gotten a pressure yet this year either.

Yeah and Solly can't beat out those guys pretty sad I know. And there more to playing inside than rushing the passer

There is no "beating out." You can't "beat someone out" in the NFL if you don't get playing time. You need a starter to go down with injury to move ahead of someone on the depth chart.

Also, Thomas is the best interior run defender on the team. The coaches just rarely use him there on run downs (because they're idiots), but that's his forte. He was an interior run stuffer in high school and college. He started as a nose guard at Stanford.

The bolded is just flat out false.

Oh, so Tony Banks beat out Kurt Warner in 1998? The Rams left Kurt Warner unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft to the Browns because he was just not able to beat out the great Tony Banks? They signed Trent Green and he needed to get injured...must have been how terrible Warner was.

And then there's Kevan Barlow. Clearly, he BEAT OUT Frank Gore in 2005. Otherwise, Gore would not have needed Barlow to go down with an injury in order to become the starting running back.

And those were back when teams ran actual scrimmages. They don't even run scrimmages now. Everything they do in practice now is literally the same drills they do at the combine. You know, the combine: The thing the 49ers' coaches, scouts, and executives watched Thomas perform in and took him number 3 overall after watching him perform said drills.

He does the same drills the same way he did at the combine, yet they immediately placed him behind incumbent starter Arik Armstead in his rookie season, and he only became a starter after Armstead went down with injury. After he missed almost all of training camp because of the graduation rule.

Are you actually serious? Please tell me you're joking.

Uh...no? I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to think that players can "beat out" other players in practice.

That is simply not how the game works.

The only way you ever move ahead on the depth chart is with injury or a starter playing so poorly that the coaches take him off the field.

Thomas was never given a chance at his actual position (defensive tackle), so he never had a chance to show what he could do.

There's a difference between saying a player never moves up a depth chart without injury to sometimes a young player will not move up without an injury to a veteran.

Of course teams like to ease in rookies and not every starter is based solely on performance.

But to say that you cannot move up on a depth chart without injury, might be the worst statement I've heard all year on this forum and shows that you clearly have never played football on any level.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Name a single example of a player becoming a starter without the starter getting injured or performing terrible.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
As for playing time...yesterday, Thomas played 33 snaps. DeForest Buckner played 34.

Why is Buckner losing snaps?

Cause he didn't have to play the 4th quarter. My god do you watch football.

They played Bosa in the 4th quarter, and he's dealing with an injury.
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Name a single example of a player becoming a starter without the starter getting injured or performing terrible.

Russel Wilson
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
As for playing time...yesterday, Thomas played 33 snaps. DeForest Buckner played 34.

Why is Buckner losing snaps?

Cause he didn't have to play the 4th quarter. My god do you watch football.

They played Bosa in the 4th quarter, and he's dealing with an injury.

We have crap for depth behind Bosa and Ford.
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
As for playing time...yesterday, Thomas played 33 snaps. DeForest Buckner played 34.

Why is Buckner losing snaps?

Because we were blowing them out so it allowed our scrubby bench players to play more.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Except he wasn't. He came in late (because of the graduation rule) and was immediately a backup. It was only when Arik Armstead went down that they made him a starter...at LEO.

He was never given a chance at his actual position - defensive tackle.

Thomas lost his defensive end job with poor play. There's no doubt about that. But that's because he can't play defensive end.

Look around the league and tell me how many 270 pound defensive tackles you see. The team just doesn't have confidence with him there. Not saying he can't do it but that's the tweener problem. We drafted him to play all 4 positions and with every one you cross off due to limited skills the smaller his role gets.

So if he puts on 15 pounds of fat - which he could probably do in about a month - he becomes Aaron Donald?
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