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Solomon Thomas 3rd Overall Pick 2017 NFL Draft

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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Had a good hustle sack. No doubt about it fellas. He's an DR. Cancel your hopes of him getting inside snaps. They appear to like 4/5 other guys on the interior

Cause 4 to 5 other guys are better inside.

Absolutely no evidence of this. Armstead's sack today came from the edge. D.J. Jones is a run down specialist. Nose guard type. I'm not sure Jullian Taylor even has a pressure in his career yet. I don't think Sheldon Day has gotten a pressure yet this year either.

Yeah and Solly can't beat out those guys pretty sad I know. And there more to playing inside than rushing the passer

There is no "beating out." You can't "beat someone out" in the NFL if you don't get playing time. You need a starter to go down with injury to move ahead of someone on the depth chart.

Also, Thomas is the best interior run defender on the team. The coaches just rarely use him there on run downs (because they're idiots), but that's his forte. He was an interior run stuffer in high school and college. He started as a nose guard at Stanford.

The bolded is just flat out false.

Oh, so Tony Banks beat out Kurt Warner in 1998? The Rams left Kurt Warner unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft to the Browns because he was just not able to beat out the great Tony Banks? They signed Trent Green and he needed to get injured...must have been how terrible Warner was.

And then there's Kevan Barlow. Clearly, he BEAT OUT Frank Gore in 2005. Otherwise, Gore would not have needed Barlow to go down with an injury in order to become the starting running back.

And those were back when teams ran actual scrimmages. They don't even run scrimmages now. Everything they do in practice now is literally the same drills they do at the combine. You know, the combine: The thing the 49ers' coaches, scouts, and executives watched Thomas perform in and took him number 3 overall after watching him perform said drills.

He does the same drills the same way he did at the combine, yet they immediately placed him behind incumbent starter Arik Armstead in his rookie season, and he only became a starter after Armstead went down with injury. After he missed almost all of training camp because of the graduation rule.
ST played well, look we missed on the #3 pick. It happens. ST is giving us valuable snaps. He shouldn't have been that luck but he was. He's part of a very good D line rotation. It's just simple as that
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yup the idiot coaches hate the number 3 overall pick and want to bury him in the depth chart and put him out of position. During the draft process Sollys concern was he didn't have position in the pros and still kinda doesn't.

Didn't have a position? How do you play football without a position? What did he do in college? Why was he drafted #3 overall after declaring after his sophomore year of college when he apparently didn't even play football?

Sheer lunacy. The arguments in this thread are absurd.
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Not worth your time my man.
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Had a good hustle sack. No doubt about it fellas. He's an DR. Cancel your hopes of him getting inside snaps. They appear to like 4/5 other guys on the interior

Cause 4 to 5 other guys are better inside.

Absolutely no evidence of this. Armstead's sack today came from the edge. D.J. Jones is a run down specialist. Nose guard type. I'm not sure Jullian Taylor even has a pressure in his career yet. I don't think Sheldon Day has gotten a pressure yet this year either.

Yeah and Solly can't beat out those guys pretty sad I know. And there more to playing inside than rushing the passer

There is no "beating out." You can't "beat someone out" in the NFL if you don't get playing time. You need a starter to go down with injury to move ahead of someone on the depth chart.

Also, Thomas is the best interior run defender on the team. The coaches just rarely use him there on run downs (because they're idiots), but that's his forte. He was an interior run stuffer in high school and college. He started as a nose guard at Stanford.

The bolded is just flat out false.

Oh, so Tony Banks beat out Kurt Warner in 1998? The Rams left Kurt Warner unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft to the Browns because he was just not able to beat out the great Tony Banks? They signed Trent Green and he needed to get injured...must have been how terrible Warner was.

And then there's Kevan Barlow. Clearly, he BEAT OUT Frank Gore in 2005. Otherwise, Gore would not have needed Barlow to go down with an injury in order to become the starting running back.

And those were back when teams ran actual scrimmages. They don't even run scrimmages now. Everything they do in practice now is literally the same drills they do at the combine. You know, the combine: The thing the 49ers' coaches, scouts, and executives watched Thomas perform in and took him number 3 overall after watching him perform said drills.

He does the same drills the same way he did at the combine, yet they immediately placed him behind incumbent starter Arik Armstead in his rookie season, and he only became a starter after Armstead went down with injury. After he missed almost all of training camp because of the graduation rule.

Are you actually serious? Please tell me you're joking.
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yup the idiot coaches hate the number 3 overall pick and want to bury him in the depth chart and put him out of position. During the draft process Sollys concern was he didn't have position in the pros and still kinda doesn't.

Didn't have a position? How do you play football without a position? What did he do in college? Why was he drafted #3 overall after declaring after his sophomore year of college when he apparently didn't even play football?

Sheer lunacy. The arguments in this thread are absurd.



This is big trolls. You are new members and hater here.
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yup the idiot coaches hate the number 3 overall pick and want to bury him in the depth chart and put him out of position. During the draft process Sollys concern was he didn't have position in the pros and still kinda doesn't.

Didn't have a position? How do you play football without a position? What did he do in college? Why was he drafted #3 overall after declaring after his sophomore year of college when he apparently didn't even play football?

Sheer lunacy. The arguments in this thread are absurd.

You're feisty I like it. So back during the draft process the talk was that he was to small to play inside and not quick enough to play on the edge. In the NFL where it's different than in College that s**t matters. He has to be able to take on a double team to play inside or he will be getting ran at every single play. In my opinion what Solly did in College was out muscle players and now he can't do that in the pros. Long story short if he was good he would be playing more. He isn't playing more. He doesn't make an impact when he's in the game. He doesn't
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Had a good hustle sack. No doubt about it fellas. He's an DR. Cancel your hopes of him getting inside snaps. They appear to like 4/5 other guys on the interior

Cause 4 to 5 other guys are better inside.

Absolutely no evidence of this. Armstead's sack today came from the edge. D.J. Jones is a run down specialist. Nose guard type. I'm not sure Jullian Taylor even has a pressure in his career yet. I don't think Sheldon Day has gotten a pressure yet this year either.

Yeah and Solly can't beat out those guys pretty sad I know. And there more to playing inside than rushing the passer

There is no "beating out." You can't "beat someone out" in the NFL if you don't get playing time. You need a starter to go down with injury to move ahead of someone on the depth chart.

Also, Thomas is the best interior run defender on the team. The coaches just rarely use him there on run downs (because they're idiots), but that's his forte. He was an interior run stuffer in high school and college. He started as a nose guard at Stanford.

The bolded is just flat out false.

Oh, so Tony Banks beat out Kurt Warner in 1998? The Rams left Kurt Warner unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft to the Browns because he was just not able to beat out the great Tony Banks? They signed Trent Green and he needed to get injured...must have been how terrible Warner was.

And then there's Kevan Barlow. Clearly, he BEAT OUT Frank Gore in 2005. Otherwise, Gore would not have needed Barlow to go down with an injury in order to become the starting running back.

And those were back when teams ran actual scrimmages. They don't even run scrimmages now. Everything they do in practice now is literally the same drills they do at the combine. You know, the combine: The thing the 49ers' coaches, scouts, and executives watched Thomas perform in and took him number 3 overall after watching him perform said drills.

He does the same drills the same way he did at the combine, yet they immediately placed him behind incumbent starter Arik Armstead in his rookie season, and he only became a starter after Armstead went down with injury. After he missed almost all of training camp because of the graduation rule.

Are you actually serious? Please tell me you're joking.

Uh...no? I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to think that players can "beat out" other players in practice.

That is simply not how the game works.

The only way you ever move ahead on the depth chart is with injury or a starter playing so poorly that the coaches take him off the field.

Thomas was never given a chance at his actual position (defensive tackle), so he never had a chance to show what he could do.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
You're feisty I like it. So back during the draft process the talk was that he was to small to play inside and not quick enough to play on the edge. In the NFL where it's different than in College that s**t matters. He has to be able to take on a double team to play inside or he will be getting ran at every single play. In my opinion what Solly did in College was out muscle players and now he can't do that in the pros. Long story short if he was good he would be playing more. He isn't playing more. He doesn't make an impact when he's in the game. He doesn't

The talk from who? Amateurs on the internet?

Have you ever watched DeForest Buckner or Sheldon Day taking on double teams? They get utterly annihilated. The Bucs kept running the right at Buckner last week and destroying him.

Thomas, meanwhile, was the highest graded interior defensive lineman in the nation against the run.

Thomas and D.J. Jones are the only guys on the team who are actually stout inside vs. the run.

Also, "in the NFL where it's different than in college"...Thomas was playing in the Pac 12, not division 1-AA. He faced quality competition and dominated. His performance in college was as valid as any other defensive lineman's.

I can see pbm's argument if Solly wasn't the 3rd pick. The 3rd pick walks in, says hi, and gets handed the starting gig. He's not Kurt Warner and bagging groceries the previous year. That guy needs injuries to see playing time Solly did not. Now with AA he may have a point because he's a 1st rounder too but Sheldon Day, Ronald Blair only get playing time over him if something is wrong and the coaches feel they're outperforming him.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Sep 16, 2019 at 10:04 AM ]
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
You're feisty I like it. So back during the draft process the talk was that he was to small to play inside and not quick enough to play on the edge. In the NFL where it's different than in College that s**t matters. He has to be able to take on a double team to play inside or he will be getting ran at every single play. In my opinion what Solly did in College was out muscle players and now he can't do that in the pros. Long story short if he was good he would be playing more. He isn't playing more. He doesn't make an impact when he's in the game. He doesn't

The talk from who? Amateurs on the internet?

Have you ever watched DeForest Buckner or Sheldon Day taking on double teams? They get utterly annihilated. The Bucs kept running the right at Buckner last week and destroying him.

Thomas, meanwhile, was the highest graded interior defensive lineman in the nation against the run.

Thomas and D.J. Jones are the only guys on the team who are actually stout inside vs. the run.

Also, "in the NFL where it's different than in college"...Thomas was playing in the Pac 12, not division 1-AA. He faced quality competition and dominated. His performance in college was as valid as any other defensive lineman's.

Okay Solomon it's nothing personal my guy. You're a decent rotation guy. And hope you have success on your future team. Maybe get off the teams forum page and get to work on getting better.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
I can see pbm's argument if Solly wasn't the 3rd pick. The 3rd pick walks in, says hi, and gets handed the starting gig. He's not Kurt Warner and bagging groceries the previous year. That guy needs injuries to see playing time Solly did not. Now with AA he may have a point because he's a 1st rounder too but Sheldon Day, Ronald Blair only get playing time over him if something is wrong and the coaches feel they're outperforming him.

Except he wasn't. He came in late (because of the graduation rule) and was immediately a backup. It was only when Arik Armstead went down that they made him a starter...at LEO.

He was never given a chance at his actual position - defensive tackle.

Thomas lost his defensive end job with poor play. There's no doubt about that. But that's because he can't play defensive end.
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by TradeThomasToNE:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Had a good hustle sack. No doubt about it fellas. He's an DR. Cancel your hopes of him getting inside snaps. They appear to like 4/5 other guys on the interior

Cause 4 to 5 other guys are better inside.

Absolutely no evidence of this. Armstead's sack today came from the edge. D.J. Jones is a run down specialist. Nose guard type. I'm not sure Jullian Taylor even has a pressure in his career yet. I don't think Sheldon Day has gotten a pressure yet this year either.

Yeah and Solly can't beat out those guys pretty sad I know. And there more to playing inside than rushing the passer

There is no "beating out." You can't "beat someone out" in the NFL if you don't get playing time. You need a starter to go down with injury to move ahead of someone on the depth chart.

Also, Thomas is the best interior run defender on the team. The coaches just rarely use him there on run downs (because they're idiots), but that's his forte. He was an interior run stuffer in high school and college. He started as a nose guard at Stanford.

The bolded is just flat out false.

Oh, so Tony Banks beat out Kurt Warner in 1998? The Rams left Kurt Warner unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft to the Browns because he was just not able to beat out the great Tony Banks? They signed Trent Green and he needed to get injured...must have been how terrible Warner was.

And then there's Kevan Barlow. Clearly, he BEAT OUT Frank Gore in 2005. Otherwise, Gore would not have needed Barlow to go down with an injury in order to become the starting running back.

And those were back when teams ran actual scrimmages. They don't even run scrimmages now. Everything they do in practice now is literally the same drills they do at the combine. You know, the combine: The thing the 49ers' coaches, scouts, and executives watched Thomas perform in and took him number 3 overall after watching him perform said drills.

He does the same drills the same way he did at the combine, yet they immediately placed him behind incumbent starter Arik Armstead in his rookie season, and he only became a starter after Armstead went down with injury. After he missed almost all of training camp because of the graduation rule.

Are you actually serious? Please tell me you're joking.

Uh...no? I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to think that players can "beat out" other players in practice.

That is simply not how the game works.

The only way you ever move ahead on the depth chart is with injury or a starter playing so poorly that the coaches take him off the field.

Thomas was never given a chance at his actual position (defensive tackle), so he never had a chance to show what he could do.

not sure if you are trolling at this point or not. You can absolutely beat out another player in camp. Deebo beat out Pettis and Bourne. Greenlaw beat out Smith. Mullins beat out Beathard according to Kyle.

I think you are overstating the fact that most positions are already settled in the offseason. While true, its not that uncommon for a player to beat out another player.
are we going to find out that Solly not only went to Stanford but also plays piano?

sounds familiar...
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